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    1. armchair_warrior
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      The items, mostly copies of luxury objects, inside the little shop in downtown Manhattan are made of thin cardboard and might not even pass muster deep in the background of a movie set.

      But that did not deter the police from arresting a shop worker on counterfeiting charges for selling several items, including Louis Vuitton and Burberry handbags.

      There is just one problem: the items are supposed to be fake.

      The store, Fook On Sing Funeral Supplies, on Mulberry Street along what is known in Chinatown as Funeral Row, sells traditional objects of mourning, mostly copies of luxury objects. The items are made of cardboard, paper and plastic, to be used at funerals as symbolic gifts for the deceased. The cardboard models are burned as part of traditional Chinese funeral practices.

      The store sells a cardboard mansion for $400 and a cardboard flat-screen television for $40. There are stacks of money ($10,000 bills) for sale, as well as miniature sports cars, cellphones, double-breasted suits and even smiling dolls to act as servants in the hereafter.

      “When people die, they feel they are going to need things in the next world,” explained one of the store’s owners, Amy Mak-Chan, who is the arrested man’s aunt. “They might want a car and a house and other nice things. People buy these things here, to give them as gifts at the funeral.”

      A police spokesman on Wednesday would only offer information from the arrest report, including that the worker who was arrested on Tuesday, Wing Sun Mak, was observed offering to sell three handbags “that bore a counterfeit trademark Burberry” and one handbag that bore a fake Louis Vuitton insignia. He was also observed offering for sale four pairs of shoes and two outfits.

      Mr. Mak said that a man in street clothes entered the store and seemed particularly interested in the handbags and loafers, obviously cardboard, that have print designs that vaguely resemble Louis Vuitton’s and Gucci’s.

      “He asked me, ‘How much is this?’ ” recalled Mr. Mak, pointing to a handbag on display. “I said $20, and he pulled out his badge and said, ‘Are you selling this to me?’ And then he arrested me.”
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/nyregion/chinatown-funeral-goods-bring-copyright-infringement-arrest.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&gwh=4A884DC0373952736C31CB45E58A1F04

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    2. dumbass cops.

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    3. homeowner
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      If these companies were smart, they'd license the right to make these items to Mr. Mak and allow him to sell exclusivly. Wonder how much a carboard "real" Burburry bag would set one back?

    4. whynot_31
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      I wonder how much they would have have to change the design in order for it to be not a copyright infringement.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    5. booklaw
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      It's primarily a question of trademark infringement. In the case of the Louis Vuitton knock-offs, copyright infringement may also be alleged.

      Even if you change the design enough to avoid the copyright claim, there could still be a trademark claim if consumers might be "confused" about the origin of the (cardboard) bags.

    6. whynot_31
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      Relative to China, the US is a country with much stronger laws and enforcement around such issues.

      We view corporations as citizens who have rights and are capable of being harmed.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Unfortunately this is copyright infringement and somewhat sort of like plagiarism. Companies demand enforcement of these laws and have every right to do so. Sorry, I'm with the cops on this one.

    8. homeowner
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      I understand the strict enforcement of the laws, however, there should be some room for cultural sensitivity. These items are designed to BE BURNED! Someone somewhere should figure out a way to make everyone happy. Like I said, licensing is the easiest way to do it, and that should be offered as a possible solution to the criminal charges so that Mr. Mak and the families looking for these items can find what it is that they need.

    9. armchair_warrior
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      if anyone thinks people who buy knowing bootlegs would buy the real things and companies actually lose money over it should think again.

      people buy knowing bootlegs can't afford the real thing, they the ip owners don't lose money cause those poor people can't afford their stuff to begin with. ip is a joke counting sales of bootlegs being lost is a joke. think about all the knock off bags etc.. people know they are fake, and they know they can't afford the real thing.

      same goes for movies etc... people buy bootleg movies because they can't afford the real thing. maybe they should lower their price points to reach more people, if not bootlegs and free stuff is going to be around for a long time.(I know lux products won't and that's the point, they don't want poor people to be carrying around similar items, not that they lose money over it)

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      You are aware at the end of a season that the makers of luxury clothes order that their clothing be destroyed, not donated, right?

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    11. armchair_warrior
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      yeap i know that, that's why i think they are just a bunch of cry babies who don't want poor people to be wearing their things and claim they lose money on the sales LOL. they should just admit they don't want poor people to wear their crap. and not claim obvious lies like oh we lose sales on people buying the bootleg instead of the real thing.

      instead they should be happy with the free advertisement that hey their products are so good, poor people have to buy bootlegs and they are getting copied pretending to be their items.

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    12. whynot_31
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      Have you heard of the philosophy of "looking up"?

      By creating nice things I can not presently afford, the capitalist system causes me to get off my butt and make money.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    13. armchair_warrior
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      bootlegs change the music industry. think about the free down loads, force the music industry to debundle their music. also gave alot of independent artist/labels larger share of the market and don't need music videos and promotions alot of it was done by word of mouth after people heard the music.

      also brought back alot of dead no longer ablums or songs etc.. that was in production.

      off course the music industry thinks different lol.

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    14. armchair_warrior
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      looking up only works when the item is marginally within reach. these lux items are way out of reach for poor people.

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    15. whynot_31
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      Having a song on ones ipod (CD player, cassette tape, record player, 8 track) never conveyed the same exclusivity and sense of envy that showing off a snooty Coach bag achieves in Manhattan.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    16. hamilton
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      my photo is appearing on every thread, the last time this happened was when i was featured in the wanted section in the post office,
      Let me tell you, it was tiring going from post office to post office tearing them down.

    17. sandcastler
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      I would find credible the argument that these funerary items are not being sold as cars, houses, and bags, per se, but as representations of them, that is, as ideas or artwork, and are therefore protected speech under the first amendment. Like Warhol with his Brillo boxes. No licensing needed. That they are for sale is besides the point. Art often is for sale.

      Furthermore, no confusion can possibly exist in a consumer’s mind between a painted cardboard sculpture representing something and the genuine article. I am curious to see what the lawyer intends as defense. He apparently refused to let his client plea to even the slightest wrongdoing. Good for him! Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

    18. Furthermore, no confusion can possibly exist in a consumer’s mind between a painted cardboard sculpture representing something and the genuine article.

      very good point.

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