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      Goldman to Invest in City Jail Program, Profiting if Recidivism Falls Sharply

      NYT » New York City, embracing an experimental mechanism for financing social services that has excited and worried government reformers around the world, will allow Goldman Sachs to invest nearly $10 million in a jail program, with the pledge that the financial services giant would profit if the program succeeded in significantly reducing recidivism rates.

      The city will be the first in the United States to test “social impact bonds,” also called pay-for-success bonds, which are an effort to find new ways to finance initiatives that might save governments money over the long term.

      First used in Britain and now being explored in Australia, the bonds are rapidly capturing the imagination of some public officials in the United States: on Wednesday, Massachusetts announced that it was completing negotiations with two nonprofit groups to finance juvenile justice and homelessness programs, with the promise of repayment only if the programs work.

      The federal government, Connecticut, New York State and Cuyahoga County, Ohio, among others, are at various stages of considering using the bonds to harness new funds for human-services programs.

      In New York City, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg plans to announce on Thursday that Goldman Sachs will provide a $9.6 million loan to pay for a new four-year program intended to reduce the rate at which adolescent men incarcerated at Rikers Island reoffend after their release.

      The money is not a huge amount for Goldman, which last month reported over $900 million in second-quarter profit, and the investment promises a public-relations benefit for the Wall Street bank. For the city, the money allows the Bloomberg administration to demonstrate, and test, several of its priorities: enlisting private sector help in financing public needs, and tying program money to rigorous outcome evaluations.

      The Goldman money will be used to pay MDRC, a social services provider, to design and oversee the program. If the program reduces recidivism by 10 percent, Goldman would be repaid the full $9.6 million; if recidivism drops more, Goldman could make as much as $2.1 million in profit; if recidivism does not drop by at least 10 percent, Goldman would lose as much as $2.4 million.

      “This promising financing model has potential to transform the way governments around the country fund social programs, and as first in the nation to launch it, we are anxious to see how this bold road map for innovation works,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a statement.

      “Social impact bonds have potential upside for investors,” he added, “but citizens and taxpayers stand to be the biggest beneficiaries.”

      In a twist that differentiates New York’s plan from other governments’ experiments with social impact bonds, Mr. Bloomberg’s personal foundation, Bloomberg Philanthropies, will provide a $7.2 million loan guarantee to MDRC.

      If the jail program does not succeed, MDRC can use the Bloomberg money to repay Goldman a portion of its loan; if the program does succeed, Goldman will be paid by the city’s Department of Correction, and MDRC may use the Bloomberg money for other social impact bonds, said James Anderson, director of the foundation’s government innovation program.

      Jeffrey B. Liebman, a professor of public policy at Harvard University who has written about social impact bonds, said the New York contract would be widely scrutinized.

      “This will get attention as perhaps the most interesting government contract written anywhere in the world this year,” Dr. Liebman said. “People will study the contract terms, and the New York City deal will become a model for other jurisdictions.”

      But social impact bonds have also worried some people in the nonprofit and philanthropy field, who say monetary incentives could distort the programs or their evaluations.

      “I’m not saying that the market is evil,” said Mark Rosenman, a professor emeritus at Union Institute and University in Cincinnati, “but I am saying when we get into a situation where we are encouraging investment in order to generate private profit as a substitute for government responsibility, we’re making a big mistake.”

      Goldman approached the city after hearing that New York officials and MDRC were interested in social impact bonds. In an interview, Alicia Glen, the head of Goldman Sachs’s Urban Investment Group, said the company was confident that the program would work.

      “This is a new approach — no city has ever done something exactly like this before — and we were able to get comfortable with the risks, which other financial institutions may not have been,” Ms. Glen said. “But we are confident that the city will identify enough savings that we’ll get a reasonable return on the investment.”

      The Goldman money will finance a program called Adolescent Behavioral Learning Experience, or ABLE, as a part of the Bloomberg administration’s year-old Young Men’s Initiative, which seeks to improve prospects for black and Latino adolescents. The jail program, which will offer counseling and education for an estimated 3,400 incarcerated adolescent men each year, will be run by two nonprofit organizations, Osborne Association and Friends of Island Academy, and overseen by MDRC.

      Currently, nearly 50 percent of young men released from Rikers reoffend within a year.

      City officials said they hoped the concept of social impact bonds could also be used to finance programs on homelessness, foster care, special education or health care. By using the mechanism to pay for prevention programs that are often too expensive for government to afford, the officials say they believe that they could save taxpayers money over the long term.

      “Government is paying for outcomes that the government wants to achieve,” Deputy Mayor Linda I. Gibbs, the program’s chief architect, said. “This is designed to provide a template for other initiatives so we can do more.”

      New York’s program is modeled, in part, after one in Peterborough, a London suburb, that began in September 2010 and is still years from being fully evaluated.

      In Massachusetts, Jay Gonzalez, the secretary of administration and finance, is a proponent of social impact bonds. “We’ve got to change from the idea of, ‘We just pay for stuff and hopefully get the results,’ ” Mr. Gonzalez said in an interview. “The beauty of this is if they perform to get the results, then we pay. If they don’t, we don’t pay.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/nyregion/goldman-to-invest-in-new-york-city-jail-program.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      I can see this money going down the drain. All the therapy, talking and counseling isn't going to do much good for kids that for the most part have dropped out of school, don't really care to go back or even get a GED and have no skills other than to commit crime. And the city knows it and that's why they're setting the standards so low only asking for a 10% reduction.

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      It is quite honest of the city to state that a 10% reduction in the rate of recidivism for this population would be an improvement over the present state of affairs.

      In a way, the city is also sending a message, something like:

      "Social Services do frequently fail to achieve their stated goals, but some are better than others.

      If you pay attention to the details, and actually adhere to a researched program and treatment model, you CAN achieve outcomes that are more favorable than flaky, ill-conceived, utopian programs.

      We will fund you to try to "reach" aimless, violent youth, but you have better be able to articulate how you are going to go about it, measure your outcomes, use staff that is trained and supported.

      If you can't or don't do these things, these investors will strip you of your funding far faster than the government gravy train programs ever did.

      Ready?"

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      What would really help is if some of these investing companies offered these kids internships or jobs. I would think that many of these offenders had the need "to belong." So, they either turned to gangs or started their own. Maybe if they had a job that feeling to belong would be taken by the work place instead of the gang. In the movie "Trading Places" that's exactly what happened and I think there's some truth to that. It's not enough to give the kids some education and some training and then tell them to go find a job on their own. There's a lot more hand holding involved in a project like this and there needs to be some tangible end to each kid's journey.

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      Mentors and internships are a big part of the Mayor's Young Men's Initiative, and the non-profits that have been awarded contracts have successfully convinced Dept of Probation, the Dept of Corrections and other funders that they are able to establish such linkages.

      As you might expect, office placements (much less one at an investment company) are especially difficult to obtain and to retain.

      I had been jabbering about the Young Men's Initiative on this other thread: http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-politics/the-stakes-are-high, but figured there might be some interest in discussing Social Interest Bonds.

      ...using the bonds to fund non-profits engaged in this type of work is quite innovative, and I expect they will cause the weaker, slower non-profits to lose funding.

      I'm ok with that.

      I look forward to a system in which funders fund programs on a more objective basis. Currently, it seems to be about who use the buzzword and treatment model that is "de rigueur".

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    6. PragmaticGuy said:
      What would really help is if some of these investing companies offered these kids internships or jobs. I would think that many of these offenders had the need "to belong." So, they either turned to gangs or started their own. Maybe if they had a job that feeling to belong would be taken by the work place instead of the gang. In the movie "Trading Places" that's exactly what happened and I think there's some truth to that. It's not enough to give the kids some education and some training and then tell them to go find a job on their own. There's a lot more hand holding involved in a project like this and there needs to be some tangible end to each kid's journey.

      I agree with you some. There needs to be a lot more hand holding, but the type of hand holding needs to be SPECIFIC to what generation an "at risk person" belongs to.

      I am not sure internships are the answer as we are looking at both and education AND a socialization problem. I think the "hand-holding" needs to take place in the socialization realm.

      Many internships are rife with individuals who have come from a specific type of social strata. They are the ones who will make the "personal" and "professional" connections to get ahead. They won't make the social gaffes that will make others less likely to hire them or recommend them to future employees.

      I say this about socialization as a boot strap black girl with a dysfunctional and unstable upbringing, ending up on internships with people from two parent homes, with familial stability and middle income. I cannot tell you how marginalized I was, and how that impeded my ability to make connections that would affect my chances at professional success. There are nuances in every work place, that make ALL the difference.

      For younger generations of "at risk people" we need to start with:
      1) community based heavily subsidized parent training classes and support centers,

      2) after-school programs that end LATE in the evening to support those who are more likely to work unconventional hours.

      3)parent collectives, that create skill building; skill sharing and support.

      I think so many of the young kids fall through the cracks because of the parenting and lack of community support in terms of "community parenting". These kids adapt attitudes, practices and communication skills that will fail in 99% of all work places.

      Something as simple as calling if you know you are going to be more than 5 minutes late is UNKNOWN to many of these youth, whose parents have instilled in them a belief that "you arrive when you do" and there is no schedule. Many of the parents don't have these skills themselves, and the teachers at schools are really unable to instill these messages in the kids if the parents don't re-enforce it. That is why i am suggesting parental intervention.

      For the older generations of "at risk people", supportive and well paying community based jobs, may be the answer. Many of them already have the maladaptive skills and belief systems that will impede their progress, so rather than try to hand them a job in an area where they may not be able to communicate or connect with others may be a serious problem. Maybe we should have skills training for neighborhood improvement projects such as building, carpentry etc. and when those projects are complete having "transition" style contracted jobs through MTA maintenance or something along those lines. I am saying this, because many of those MTA jobs are CURRENTLY occupied by many urban dwelling folks who come from similar backgrounds and will be less likely to stigmatize and marginalize this population. Maybe eventually some can branch out into more diverse areas, but change is often slow, and generational. My father's mother was a seamstress and goat herder. (My father's side are recent African immigrants). She would be out f place with psycho-ologists like me, but through generational shaping viola! a psycho- ologist is born.

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    7. whynot_31 said:
      Mentors and internships are a big part of the Mayor's Young Men's Initiative, and the non-profits that have been awarded contracts have successfully convinced Dept of Probation, the Dept of Corrections and other funders that they are able to establish such linkages.

      As you might expect, office placements (much less one at an investment company) are especially difficult to obtain and to retain.

      I had been jabbering about the Young Men's Initiative on this other thread: http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-politics/the-stakes-are-high, but figured there might be some interest in discussing Social Interest Bonds.

      ...using the bonds to fund non-profits engaged in this type of work is quite innovative, and I expect they will cause the weaker, slower non-profits to lose funding.

      I'm ok with that.

      I look forward to a system in which funders fund programs on a more objective basis. Currently, it seems to be about who use the buzzword and treatment model that is "de rigueur".

      No surprise office jobs are difficult to retain for these folks. I guess its like what I said Pragmatic Guy, its a socialization thing, that makes many of these folks unable to operate in a manner that most of us have been trained to expect in the business world.

      Just like you and I would probably not last long in gang culture, due to our lack of understanding of that cultural nuance, its not hard to see that they also miss the nuance of how to be a business person.

      *for all of you who are not WHYNOT and tend confuse culture with race. When Iam talking about culture, I am talking about culture purely, as in what its like to grow up socialized in female culture, male culture, generation x culture etc.*

      I am in agreement with you that SS agencies are woefully behind in innovating programs designed to actually help these folks. Most programs I have worked for simply warehouse them in "job training programs". Most of those programs do nothing but low level assembly line work that really isn't marketable, and will not help these individuals navigate the real business world.

      I think the making an incentive for success will trigger more social service programs to analyze their methods and trim the fat.

      What I DO wonder is what the "research" and "findings" will be based upon. Goldman is a powerful institution, not unknown for its unscrupulousness. I wonder what kind of "bar" are they really going to set and how objective the standards of "success" will really be.

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      The programs funded by the bonds have begun, and today the NYT published a piece on thier progress:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/giving/investors-profit-by-giving-through-social-impact-bonds.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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