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whynot_31
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Here's the electronic version of the petition to KEEP the bike coral:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/m/204/576/745/support-the-bike-corral-on-franklin-avenue/

Little Zelda is also collecting signatures at their storefront.

If anyone has a link for the one to get rid of it, they should feel free to post it. Does any one know if those opposed to the bike coral are using a digital version? Are they using pen and paper only?

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 4 mos ago
littlezelda
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Hi all-- just a hello to say that as the volunteer maintenance partner for the bike corral we will be at the CB8 transportation committee meeting to answer questions (if we can!) and explain why we think the bike corral helps keep Franklin cleaner, greener, helps keep our sidewalks clear, and provides options for bicycle riders.

Also just wanted to let everyone know that the original proposal was discussed and voted on by both the CB8 transportation committee and the full board, both of which recommended its installation!

- Kate, Little Zelda

# Posted 4 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Yes Kate it was voted on by the cb8 but it has to be re addressed thank u

# Posted 4 mos ago
whynot_31
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It looks like momentum is building....

Streetsblog (one of the largest alternative transportation websites), ran a story today encouraging readers to attend the upcoming CB8 mtg:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/01/16/more-new-yorkers-can-use-bike-parking-than-car-parking/

http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/01/15/brooklyn-community-board-8-franklin-avenue-bike-corral/

It is also in Brooklyn Spoke (one of the city's largest bike sites): http://brooklynspoke.com/2013/01/16/support-the-bike-corral-on-franklin-avenue/#respond

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 4 mos ago
chloeroyale
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I wonder if all those people live on Franklin Ave sterling place park place prospect place st Johns place classon ave bergen st and marks ave that's the impact zone. It's nice people have opinions but they should live in the impact zone

# Posted 4 mos ago
whynot_31
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At this point, it really isn't going to matter where they live.

The only folks who actually count are those that sit on the CB8 transportation committee. They get to decide whether to change their mind, and/or have the full board vote on it again. They were elected by the members of CB8, and can choose to form thier opinions based on people who live in the neighborhood, or not.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 4 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Oh u believe that ok u know everything mike so I will leave it to you to preach your sermon

# Posted 4 mos ago
whynot_31
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Preach? Nah, I can't say I have very strong opinions on this issue.

whynot_31 said:
There is no need to apologize for being emotional. ...some people may want to see emotional people.

I have not yet decided whether I will go. It all depends on whether I think the event will be a productive conversation or a lot of yelling.

...and which I feel like seeing on that evening.

So, I will wait until Tuesday right before the mtg is to begin to decide.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 4 mos ago
newguy88
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chloeroyale said:
Yes Kate it was voted on by the cb8 but it has to be re addressed thank u

No it really doesn't.....

Hehe, I love this. Can't wait for Tuesday!

Also keep in mind that if they take the bike corral they'll be tearing up bike lanes next.

# Posted 4 mos ago
Epiclylaterd
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Do the opposers of the bike corral think they are on some sort of heroic preservation voyage? OH NO!!! First our parking spot...WHAT'S NEXT!!!!111 At first I though it was odd it was in the street, as both a car owner and biker...then I realized it's one spot. I know there are deeper undertones than it being "just" the parking spot, but all the time and effort opposing something this silly could be redirected to something that would, gasp, possibly benefit the community. Not seeing how moving these/taking them away is going to make a difference. In any case I signed the online petition.

# Posted 4 mos ago
stacey
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It boggles my mind that this is all over ONE parking spot. I think people are making much more out of this than necessary. I for one think its a good idea.

# Posted 4 mos ago
Capt. Planet
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Car owners need to understand the immense cost every car adds to the residents of our community: 80% of the gas consumed in this country is for transportation. Bikes consume no gas, only cars and trucks. Gas use is a chief cause of climate change. Superstorm Sandy alone will probably cost us over $100 billion when all is said and done and the majority of residents polled think that climate change contributed to the severity of Sandy. Connecting the dots is critical. It's not just about the rights of new residents versus the perogatives of older residents. It's about the huge costs associated with car use. And I'm not even talking about the number of pedestrians killed by cars, versus the number killed by bikes, the congestion to our streets caused by double parked cars versus double parked bikes (?!?!), etc.

# Posted 3 mos ago
steveo
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Reminder -- there's a Franklin Ave Bike Corral discussion at the CB8 Transpo Committee meeting tonight:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/01/15/brooklyn-community-board-8-franklin-avenue-bike-corral/

WHEN
January 22, 2013 7:00 pm

WHERE
CNR-Center Light Healthcare Center
727 Classon Avenue
Brooklyn

The bike corral, installed in December after approval by the community board, is the subject of a petition by those who wish to see it removed and replaced with car parking. According to committee co-chair Rob Witherwax, the issue will again be up for discussion at this meeting of the transportation committee.

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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As expected, the transportation committee voted to reaffirm its support for the bike corral. It now goes to the full board, which I expect to concur.

I'm in Vermont at the moment, but The Patch bothered to attend the mtg. They provide a play by play here, and it all seems like it was tedious and well behaved: http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/live-blog-bike-corral-debate-at-cb8-meeting

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
Capt. Planet
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While it's unfortunate the manner in which it came about, what's good about this brouhaha over the bike corral is that a lot of community people came out to the community board transportation meeting. I would estimate there were over 50 in attendance at a meeting that typically has 7 or 8 attendees. For those who want to create divisions in the community, I feel it was a real defeat. There was a lot of honest face-to-face dialogue and information exchange. Those who want the corral removed instead got the possibility of meters added to the Franklin Avenue commercial strip, the possibility of a handicapped parking spot on each block and a better understanding of the thinking behind the creation of the bike corral. As traffic congestion grows with the improvements in Crown Heights, hopefully more people will turn to dialogue with the transportation committee, rather than petitions, for resolution of their concerns.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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This vote night last has now further divided us along racial lines thank you mr co chair . We were always divided captain planet don't fool yourself and like the residence said last night why come out to meetings there is nothing there for us black and disabled residence. We really have little Zelda to thank for this new insult place upon the minority and disabled community of crown heights.

# Posted 3 mos ago
pitmama
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If what Capt. Planet says is correct, and there is an opportunity to provide a handicapped parking space on each block, that definitely seems like something for disabled residents and their advocates to come out to meetings for. If the same amount of energy is put into something positive and proactive like this, as was put into the effort to remove the bike rack, there will eventually be more parking available for the people who need and deserve it the most. Any initiative that helps to increase the mobility and independence of our community members is good for people of all races and backgrounds.

# Posted 3 mos ago
booklaw
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Why is this a racial issue?

# Posted 3 mos ago
eastbloc
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chloeroyale is tired of riding on the back of the tandem. And I gather you didn't see the "Whites Only" sign on the bike rack?

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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Eastbloc-
You are either being silly, or that sign is so small that it is seen only by people with microscopes.

I have seen bikes of all colors locked to the racks, and bikers of all colors riding said bikes. But I am interested in hearing more from Chloe....

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
Epiclylaterd
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But I am interested in hearing more from Chloe....

im not

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Why is it a racial issue because I know u guys are absolutely convinced that there is a level playing field for people of other races because race does not play an issue in anything anymore. The race issue has been completely solved, please please keep believing that. And epiclatered no u don't want to hear about race or you think that those issues are not relevant, it's obvious it's ur world who needs the blacks and the disabled they continue to drag our society down. I will inform the drags on society about joining this blogg or viewing it so they can be enlightened on u guys who run the world

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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In the other areas of the city, where the 7 other corrals have been installed, is it racial in nature?

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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I don't know about the other areas in the city I know it's racial here and directly tied into our gentrification

# Posted 3 mos ago
newguy88
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Oh god! Here come the evil racist white kids on bikes run! Run away! They only want to enjoy the diverse neighborhood they live in. But their evil AND racist!

Seriously your falling back on the racial card? Whats next there goes the neighborhood argument?

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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There is no consideration for the disabled but who needs them they are entitlement junkies! And of course don't pay taxes this blogg really have people of like mines, and are anti black and anti the disabled and of course as long as u don't say the n word and other vulgur language you can insult the blacks and the minorities and of course the best part is the masses really don't know who you are! So yeah it's a win win!!

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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There is no consideration for the disabled but who needs them they are entitlement junkies! And of course don't pay taxes this blogg really have people of like mines, and are anti black and anti the disabled and of course as long as u don't say the n word and any other vulgur language you can insult the blacks and the minorities and of course the best part is the masses really don't know who you are! So yeah it's a win win!!

# Posted 3 mos ago
eastbloc
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Is this MHA's mom?

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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Chloe-
So, if something happens that (in your opinion and others) does not advance the interests (or somehow sets back the interests) of the disabled and/or the poor and/or a specific hue of people , then it should not be done in Crown Heights?

Is it ok elsewhere?

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Eastbloc it does not matter who Chloe is one thing that is clear is that I'm black!

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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Chloe-
While you may be black, please be careful to only speak for yourself.

While you may be disabled (or care deeply about those who are), please be careful to only speak for yourself.

I say this because there seems to be a lot of groups out there that purport to represent "the disabled" or "black people", yet each group seems to be different, and has different ideas of how to best advance the status of the people they represent.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
eastbloc
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I have no problem with you being black, Chloe. You're the only one who is making that an issue.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Why not bike corrals before parking for the disabled I guess it's a good move if your not disabled . Every neighborhood is unique and has special characteristics and have special needs and these things should be taken into consideration before decisions are made. In this case little Zeldathey did not even Go next door to hear feedback from her neighbors much less the residence. And since I have my ears open and am privy to info trust me some of the merchants are very unhappy with little Zelda and are happy happy that their business is leaving launch pad. When I was canvassing about the bike corral one of the residence said to me I don't go to Franklin ave anymore because they have nothing on the ave for us

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Eastbloc please !

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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Chloe-
Argueably, it was not the job of Little Zelda to do outreach to everyone. Their job was merely to outreach to people who supported the idea, and then bring it before CB8.

It was CB8's job to consider the proposal, and decide whether it caused more harm than good. CB8 seems to have concluded that they believe it does more good than harm.

It now has concluded this TWICE. The time when they initially approved it, and last night when they heard your arguments opposing it.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Why not I'm privy to more Info than u I'm deeply in the mix on this one her petition was placed in her store and she admits blacks don't go in her store so blacks were not included in her initial petition she did not go even to speak to the church membership directly across the street i was the one who went to the merchants and they told me the same speel we never knew about it one merchant showed me an email dated the day before the installation of the bike system and this merchant said that was the extent of the notification given and the letters of support from candy rush and taste buds they where the very first people to sign the petition for it to be removed and had some choice words for little Zelda u can email me privately there is even more stuff brewing

# Posted 3 mos ago
Capt. Planet
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# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Now why not does it seem reasonable that u live on a planet with many people and u have a idea u market it to the choir only !!! And no one else is incorporated in this plan only u and the people like u. And it comes to pass and the other nobodies that share the planet with u should just stand there and be silent because u and the choir are truly running things.thats what happened when little Zelda's did this to us. Don't get me wrong cb8 needs to answer for this too but little Zelda is now know as a business that is not community friendly

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Why not mr witherwax who is there to push out the old chairman dr mondisir did not even view my petitions he asked me where they were? I had to tell him the so called co chair that your district manager Michelle george was given the petitions. He did not view them before the meeting the fix was in. The residence who live next door to little Zelda stated how this impacted their lives mr witherwax could careless because those lives don't matter of course those people are black! So that's just some of the nasty truth about this bike corral as I was leaving the meeting the residence who live next to the corral said they say we never come out but when we come there is nothing there for us

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Capt. Planet stay on your planet it's obviously better there

# Posted 3 mos ago
pitmama
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On the flip side of Chloe's opinion, there are plenty of people around who think that the bike corral is very community friendly and will show our support for Little Zelda's by patronizing them. And since it seems like any responsible business owner or involved community member in the area would be privy to when community board meetings are, and the bike corral was reportedly discussed at multiple meetings, I don't see why Little Zelda's should be thrown under the bus for anyone else's lack of involvement in community affairs.

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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In my view, it is clear that Little Zelda is not being "thrown under the bus."

To the contrary, the board seems to have agreed with them that it is ok for a merchant to ask their patrons (regardless if they represent a particular hue more than another), and then get the support of the CB.

It seems as if they are granting individual businesses some level of preference and discretion whether they would like a bike corral. However, the board seems unable to let this discretion extend to having a reserved spot for the owner, a loading zone, or a spot for the disabled.

Thus, the board's powers seem to be very limited, and subject to the actual approval by the DOT. ....the board can merely make a recommendation.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Pitmana u and people like u will go to little Zelda people of the other race will not go there. It was all about Me me me with little Zelda and no to the rest of use in a diverse community

# Posted 3 mos ago
pitmama
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My meaning was that it appears like to me Little Zelda's is being treated by some individuals like they did something wrong or sneaky, when in fact they went through the proper channels to have the bike corral placed. Not everyone may like the corral but I don't think that this makes them bad neighbors or unfriendly to the increasingly diverse Crown Heights community.

# Posted 3 mos ago
pitmama
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The only one I hear screaming Me Me Me around here is you, Chloe.

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Why not keep dancing around the issue and why don't u just use the word RACE instead of hue ! It's about RACE!

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Pitmama i know the screams u would love to silence likewhen u use to silence us with the German shepherds and the water hoses . We really have not forgotten it and we tell our children too

# Posted 3 mos ago
chloeroyale
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Yes the board can make a recommendation for the installation of this bike corral but no recommendation for the disabled who now has to not only have to compete for parking with cars but also bicycles giving them less access to shop all the federal law required was for reasonable accommodation now we have made sure they can't participate.

# Posted 3 mos ago
eastbloc
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*pets German shepherd*

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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chloeroyale said:
Yes the board can make a recommendation for the installation of this bike corral but no recommendation for the disabled who now has to not only have to compete for parking with cars but also bicycles giving them less access to shop all the federal law required was for reasonable accommodation now we have made sure they can't participate.

Now were are getting somewhere.

Unlike the other arguments you have attempted, this one strikes me as having merit because you can argue that a specific group of people in a protected class (Persons with Disabilities) is being subject to a Disparate Impact by car parking spaces being replaced by bike spaces.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago