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BiffAckley
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Came back from the lovely Franklin Ave kids day on the north side of Eastern Parkway to find that on the south side there was an outrageously loud block party on Union, featuring a typically Caribbean DJ who screams at no one as a bass thumps so heavily that it rattles the silverware in my apartment a block and a half away.

I know this is merely a cultural difference, but honestly, why can't Caribbeans have gatherings that don't feature music loud enough to be heard from space? Am I just a crotchety white dude living in the wrong neighborhood, or is there something truly insane about needing your parties to be this loud?

# Posted 10 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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Ha! Its not a "cultural" thing and it has nothing to do with your Whiteness. I am a professional female who happens to be Black and I loathe loud parties. I moved from my place on 4th ave in SP to avoid that junk. They were Latino by the way

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# Posted 10 mos ago
lovechild
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BiffAckley said:
I know this is merely a cultural difference, but honestly, why can't Caribbeans have gatherings that don't feature music loud enough to be heard from space? Am I just a crotchety white dude living in the wrong neighborhood, or is there something truly insane about needing your parties to be this loud?

Your addressing Caribbean folks, so let me address you right back:

Why do you think that civility and neighborliness is a patented trait that belongs to white people?

I'm black and I feel disturbed by the loud music. I have a toddler that gets woken up at night by the rapping retards in the backyard to my left and the drunkard, pseudo-frat parties on my right. All summer long. In the evenings I yearn for rain showers. Everyday.

Please humor me and my westernly civilized Caribbean family and call 311 or the 77th precinct and launch a complaint if you want change, instead of putting all of "us" into one pot.

# Posted 10 mos ago
BiffAckley
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Why do you think that civility and neighborliness is a patented trait that belongs to white people?

I don't. But I also don't see my civil, neighborly Caribbean neighbors (and most of them are both of those things) doing anything to try and persuade their more disruptive neighbors to be more civil and neighborly. There's a kind of 'live and let live' attitude that seems to dissuade people here from confronting their neighbors or telling the DJ at the block party or the guy with the SUV down on the street to turn it down. So I always feel like the jerk complaining about these things, confronting people directly when possible or calling the cops (who don't care in the slightest) when its not, while my Caribbean neighbors shrug their shoulders. Everyone in your building should be confronting the rapping retards who are waking up your toddler, but somehow I doubt that's happening.

Incidentally, the block party on Union was interrupted at 6:30 when half the 71st precinct descended on the block to deal with some sort of criminal activity. Meaning the party couldn't make it to the 4-hour mark before something went down.

# Posted 10 mos ago
lovechild
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Are you insinuating that it's easier for a "civil, neighborly Caribbean" to confront other Carribean people about noise disturbances because he's black or from the same culture?

Have you ever confronted someone on the street about their car playing so loud that it woke your three month old baby at 1 am and had your life threatened? No, ok. I'll stick to the official channels, thank you very much.

We care. We suffer the same way as you do from asshole neighbors. It's quite presumptuous to think that every black person or Caribbean condones this crap. We need our sleep too to go to work and raise our kids. It's not just only "you" that leads an orderly life.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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get on top of a tall building and fling sting bombs there but don't let anyone see you or sling shot some over lol.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
BiffAckley
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Fair enough, lovechild. When I confront people I'm prone to get the "Who do you think you are, I've lived here my whole life..." defense, and I actually would assume you would be in a better position to confront people as a Caribbean. But it would appear not, since in fact I haven't ever been threatened upon confronting people.

At any rate, I hope your situation improves. I also have young kids, and I think we agree that noisemakers are a particular nuisance when you have kids in the house.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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You are just going to have to move. You come from a middle class culture, and you will have to find others who are middle class/ upwardly mobile like yourself.

I think what you are discussing is a complex racially tinged class issue. Many of these Hiphop/reggae/pachata listeners come from lower income backgrounds. Usually there is overcrowding and a lack of effective supervision/ passing on of manners to ensure "neighborliness". I say this, because when you listen to the lyrics of a lot of these types of music (especially the hip hop and reggae), they tend to discuss issues that are pertinent to poor folks. They also tend to appeal to trashy low class folks. You are more likely to find someone blasting Jay-Z and Beyonce than say Joe Henderson or Miles Davis. All of these artists I listed are Black, however their musical aspirations and appeal are different. Davis and Henderson, require careful listening, as Jazz is a complex music that suits "thinking" contemplative type people, people who are more likely to "work jobs". Hip Hop like dance music requires very little thinking and is a very physical type of music. Just think, you don't go to the gym and listen to Jazz or Harp music. Hip hop is meant to be loud and in your face. Its the music of low-class, loud, and "in your face" type people. Punk rock was similar at one time.

Those people who are listening to that Reggae and Hiphop idenitfy with or at least align themselves with that "in your face offensiveness". The whole point of that music is to play it loud and not care what others think. Its the same type of nihilistic offensiveness that was Punk Rock or Heavy Metal.

My two cents would be for you to move, and to find a neighborhood with older folks and middle to upper middle class folks. I know I cannot listen to Crass a punk band as loud as I used to. I am older now, less nihilistic and antisocial. I am more upwardly mobile. I find myself, curling my lips at Crust Punks, especially those who panhandle and look high. I realize that the music is really a class identification

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# Posted 10 mos ago
lovechild
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armchair_warrior said:
get on top of a tall building and fling sting bombs there but don't let anyone see you or sling shot some over lol.

I've been wanting to buy a sniper rifle, sit on my roof and take em out one by one like Private Jackson, but then again, what example am I setting for my child? But a woman can dream, right?

BiffAckley said:
Fair enough, lovechild. When I confront people I'm prone to get the "Who do you think you are, I've lived here my whole life..." defense, and I actually would assume you would be in a better position to confront people as a Caribbean. But it would appear not, since in fact I haven't ever been threatened upon confronting people.

At any rate, I hope your situation improves. I also have young kids, and I think we agree that noisemakers are a particular nuisance when you have kids in the house.

It's easy to fall back on that stereotype because all you see around here during the day, especially during the week, are trouble makers, but I'd beg of you to look deeper into the culture before passing judgement like that. It's offensive. It's like me pulling a bigoted, anti-semetic or racist statement out of my hat simply because it's what I see on a day to day basis. All white people in the area aren't hipsters as much as all black people around here aren't thugs. You just can't go around thinking like that, because it's unfair to those that don't fit the profile.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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Actually, given the rapid change that PH and western CH is going thru, BiffAckley may be wise to stay, and not move somewhere else.

I mark 2006 as the year those who lived between Underhill and Washington could start enjoying relative peace and quiet.

2009 it happened between Washington and Classon.

...and the area between Classon and Bedford is presently undergoing the same process.

They newcomers arrive as new graduates working in salaried positions, then (a few years later) find themselves pushing baby strollers.

My neighbors haven't yet gotten up the courage to tell me and my dog we should be quieter, but if this place becomes the Upper West Side, I am sure they will try.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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whynot_31 said:
Actually, given the rapid change that PH and western CH is going thru, BiffAckley may be wise to stay, and not move somewhere else.

I mark 2006 as the year those who lived between Underhill and Washington could start enjoying relative peace and quiet.

2009 it happened between Washington and Classon.

...and the area between Classon and Bedford is presently undergoing the same process.

They newcomers arrive as new graduates working in salaried positions, then (a few years later) find themselves pushing baby strollers.

My neighbors haven't yet gotten up the courage to tell me and my dog we should be quieter, but if this place becomes the Upper West Side, I am sure they will try.

housing density wouldn't allow quick gentrification. Got alot of big ass buildings once you past franklin.

the reason PH gentrify quickly was alot of beaten down poor housing stock and tons of under utilize housing. it didn't displace people but brought in alot more people to the area.

CH on the other hand has tons of apt buildings and people are not going any where quick.

that is why east of prospect park isn't gentrifying. simply because of the huge buildings there.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
armchair_warrior
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opps i mean stink bombs :p and add water balloons to that list of things to fling at bad neighbors.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
whynot_31
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AW-
The trick would be to find a top floor apartment where lovechild lives below, psycho-ologist on the right, and biffackley on the left. They sound like ideal neighbors, and it would be totally quiet.

You'd want the windows to be in the front, in case you had loud people in the court yard.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
housing density wouldn't allow quick gentrification. Got alot of big ass buildings once you past franklin.

the reason PH gentrify quickly was alot of beaten down poor housing stock and tons of under utilize housing. it didn't displace people but brought in alot more people to the area.

CH on the other hand has tons of apt buildings and people are not going any where quick.

that is why east of prospect park isn't gentrifying. simply because of the huge buildings there.

Not sure I agree with you. We live between Washington and Classon. In the summer of 2009, there were really loud parties every Saturday in the Elijah Stroud playground, no amount of calls to the NYPD brought relief. In 2010, there were a few less parties, 2011 we could count the parties on one hand. This summer I think there was one party but it wasn't loud, but the partygoers trashed the park. From what I observed these parties were gang organised.

I think what has happened, and what will continue to happen, is that any apartment that is vacated will get renovated enough to take it out of rent stabilisation and then rented to higher income tenants. A lot of the apartments while ostensibly rent stabilised may be being rented at less than the legal rent, so on renewal the landlord increases the rent to the legal rent, tenant can't afford it so moves. Landlords also evict anyone illegally subletting their apartment, and anyone who has illegally modified their apartment. Also if a building has six or fewer apartments it won't be rent stabilised, so if a landlord wants to renovate a building and seek higher income tenants, it is relatively straightforward to decline to renew leases and terminate tenancies.

Short story, I think that there are ways and means to get a lot of the housing stock in Crown Heights upgraded. The only way you can guarantee life long residency is if you buy your home.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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I see signs of change on Nostrand and New York Ave.

The gentrifiers, many of them chocolate in hue, have arrived. They are befriending the long term homeowners and amplifying their voices.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 10 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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whynot_31 said:
Actually, given the rapid change that PH and western CH is going thru, BiffAckley may be wise to stay, and not move somewhere else.

I mark 2006 as the year those who lived between Underhill and Washington could start enjoying relative peace and quiet.

2009 it happened between Washington and Classon.

...and the area between Classon and Bedford is presently undergoing the same process.

They newcomers arrive as new graduates working in salaried positions, then (a few years later) find themselves pushing baby strollers.

My neighbors haven't yet gotten up the courage to tell me and my dog we should be quieter, but if this place becomes the Upper West Side, I am sure they will try.

Ha! I gotta laugh. I agree with you. By no means would I even want my nabe to be UWS or even worse the UES. Those folks complain about dripping air-conditioners. I have a friend who received a compliant from her neighbor that her air-conditioner drips onto the window of her neighbor, below and "makes a mess".

My contention is the weighing of options: Should you at 36 (my age) or whatever "settling age" have to wait out the horrors of the eventual low class exodus, and put up with the possibility of 3-5+ years of seasonal misery (summer related drama), or should you just move now and enjoy the quality of life you have spent years in school and at work preparing for?

I chose quality of life. I can't see myself at 40 or 42 trying to navigate a high stress but well paying job, and having to still contend with not being able to relax at home either. What is the point of working hard and deferring dreams if both your work and home life are hell? You might as well not have gone to school, and settled for working in a craptastic retail job and living in a low rent dump.

EDIT:
by no means is PH a dump. I love the nabe. The areas I would chose would probably be too expensive for me to live in, but the affordable areas are places where people often have to face the quandary that I wrote about. Is it worth it? I actually would welcome comments about that.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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whynot_31 said:
I see signs of change on Nostrand and New York Ave.

The gentrifiers, many of them chocolate in hue, have arrived. They are befriending the long term homeowners and amplifying their voices.

Thank you for saying this. I keep arguing that it is a class issue, but every time I read these threads I get a not so subtle feeling, that many folks use "culture" or "neighborhood" as euphemism for "blackness" and "trashiness".

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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bohuma said:
Not sure I agree with you. We live between Washington and Classon. In the summer of 2009, there were really loud parties every Saturday in the Elijah Stroud playground, no amount of calls to the NYPD brought relief. In 2010, there were a few less parties, 2011 we could count the parties on one hand. This summer I think there was one party but it wasn't loud, but the partygoers trashed the park. From what I observed these parties were gang organised.

I think what has happened, and what will continue to happen, is that any apartment that is vacated will get renovated enough to take it out of rent stabilisation and then rented to higher income tenants. A lot of the apartments while ostensibly rent stabilised may be being rented at less than the legal rent, so on renewal the landlord increases the rent to the legal rent, tenant can't afford it so moves. Landlords also evict anyone illegally subletting their apartment, and anyone who has illegally modified their apartment. Also if a building has six or fewer apartments it won't be rent stabilised, so if a landlord wants to renovate a building and seek higher income tenants, it is relatively straightforward to decline to renew leases and terminate tenancies.

Short story, I think that there are ways and means to get a lot of the housing stock in Crown Heights upgraded. The only way you can guarantee life long residency is if you buy your home.

that is why it is taking longer to gentrify the area closer to eastern parkway alot more denser housing vs atlantic side. alot more poorer housing and less denser.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
housing density wouldn't allow quick gentrification. Got alot of big ass buildings once you past franklin.

the reason PH gentrify quickly was alot of beaten down poor housing stock and tons of under utilize housing. it didn't displace people but brought in alot more people to the area.

CH on the other hand has tons of apt buildings and people are not going any where quick.

that is why east of prospect park isn't gentrifying. simply because of the huge buildings there.

I agree with this. One of my friends lives in East Harlem, and one of the big reasons why she STILL can't enjoy her neighborhood despite "gentrification" of the smaller buildings, is that she is surrounded by projects and large rent stabilized buildings with section 8 tenants. Her neighborhood will not be like the very west west side of Harlem where smaller buildings have been able to rid themselves of these folks. I am wording that too strongly, some Section 8 people I am sure are decent, but many are not.

I always tell people who are looking for places never to live anywhere near a project or large section 8 building.

PS: from a sociologist friend of mine: Upstate NY, Philly and the surrounding PA area, Georgia, NC and SC will be the new "problem" areas. The migration of section 8 applications has given her this hint.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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The suburbs are becoming the new ghetto because alot of people are renting out those homes in the suburbs to section 8 folks.

Culture has alot to due with violent crime etc..

you don't see alot of poor section 8 hadsic folks going around robbing people.

If i was poor I rather live in a hasidic ghetto.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
The suburbs are becoming the new ghetto because alot of people are renting out those homes in the suburbs to section 8 folks.

Culture has alot to due with violent crime etc..

you don't see alot of poor section 8 hadsic folks going around robbing people.

If i was poor I rather live in a hasidic ghetto.

DISAGREE.

You are comparing apples with oranges. A community will commit a crime that is A) Most easily pulled off, and B) most lucrative. Hasidim are very easily recognized by others, because they are so different, so their crimes wont be mugging, since they would be easily identified, but rather Medicaid and Welfare fraud.

Italian Mafia are just as violent as the muggers, but due to their White phenotype, are able to more easily mingle with and do business with other Whites, therefore its easier for them and more lucrative to do business related crimes, and contract style killings.

Hasidim are a community that while they are poor, SELF SEGREGATES, so the crime they commit tends to be very insular and not noticed among people like you or me.

Many Mexicans also have the same dynamic due to language and cultural barriers.

If you read their own papers or really interact with them, you will know how much drugs, prostitution and all sorts of criminal activity is really taking place in Mexican communities.

If it's any indication read about the level of violence in the Juarez area in Mexico due to drug cartels.

Now poor Latinos from Puerto Rico and the DR, as well as poor Blacks are culturally integrated in the USA. They fit in with you and me and can pass along more "anonymously", so they ARE more likely to target you and me as "regular New Yorkers".

Now qualitatively that is also very different than poor Whites who tend to live in very rural and spread out areas, so their crimes are also not as "in your face". For an example, a meth addict in middle America will probably rob an empty house and get away by car, rather than mug a person on the streets. Those White poor live in the suburbs so mugging just isn't very lucrative to them.

Just notice how Columbine and Aurora type phenomenon don't happen in urban places because the difficulty in obtaining weapons in urban areas.

The type of crime many of these Hasidim perpetrate is qualitatively different and is often only reported to their own "authority" figures. I have a psychologist friend who works in this community, and can tell you that there is a MASSIVE amount of credit card, medicaid, welfare, housing and insurance fraud. Why because these things require very little face to face interaction and can be done by someone who looks very different from the American populous.

PS: crime is often committed same race on same race, due to the likelihood of living "amongst" your own, and being able to fade into the populous of "your own" as you try to flee capture.

I used that philosophy effectively, and chose to live in Latino neighborhoods, due in part to the fact that I love my brown people, but I know that since there is a huge cultural and language divide, I won't be targeted nearly as often, with cat calls etc. I have proven myself right anecdotally.

I also believe this is why when White folks get mugged or hurt by Black/Latino's its front page news, but every sad little Black woman/man who is ever assaulted/raped/mugged etc, doesn't even make a blurb next to the obituaries, because its so common.

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:p well I prefer their type of crimes lol, where i don't get my face beaten in etc...
that is what i meant by robbing people.

I rather be have my id stolen etc.. instead of get beaten. A stolen Id is easier to deal with.

I had experience both type of crimes.

Risk vs reward the white collar crimes are much better vs the violent crimes.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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Any criminals out there who wants to rob people, its not worth it man!!! you get a few dollars for your time.

If you want go after tax fraud fake filing, it is one of the easiest crimes to do these days and you could literally get millions without even bother getting caught because the system is retarded. the IRS and taxes needs reform!!!

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us/id-thieves-loot-tax-checks-filing-early-and-often.html?pagewanted=all

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
Any criminals out there who wants to rob people, its not worth it man!!! you get a few dollars for your time.

If you want go after tax fraud fake filing, it is one of the easiest crimes to do these days and you could literally get millions without even bother getting caught because the system is retarded. the IRS and taxes needs reform!!!

Historically Blacks and Latinos have been denied the educational and business opportunities that would allow them to commit such tax frauds, due in part to our phenotype. Just try getting a loan or even an apartment as a Black or Latino person and see the difference in the level of suspicion and scrutiny, when it comes to proving our credit worthiness. This has been documented. I am too lazy to provide links, but just Google racial loan bias, or racial apartment bias.

So for Blacks and Latino's mugging and armed robbery ARE the most lucrative game in town, because we don't have White or Asian privilege to be trusted enough to get into the business door in order to commit the type of banking and credit fraud that is committed by Whites and Asians.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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The Psycho-ologist said:
Historically Blacks and Latinos have been denied the educational and business opportunities that would allow them to commit such tax frauds, due in part to our phenotype. Just try getting a loan or even an apartment as a Black or Latino person and see the difference in the level of suspicion and scrutiny, when it comes to proving our credit worthiness. This has been documented. I am too lazy to provide links, but just Google racial loan bias, or racial apartment bias.

So for Blacks and Latino's mugging and armed robbery ARE the most lucrative game in town, because we don't have White or Asian privilege to be trusted enough to get into the business door in order to commit the type of banking and credit fraud that is committed by Whites and Asians.

education is free. I grew up poorer than the kids in the projects. hell they made fun of me for wearing the same thing each day etc...

anyway point is anyone with basic reading skills can easily file them these days. hell or get a computer program. only thing they need is a stolen id and that is about it.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/middle-of-the-night-ahole-noises

lol I like this thread :p. classic.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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my bad you don't even need a fake id this lady stole 2 million and she would of gotten away with it if she didn't reported her money stolen to the cops LOL.

Yes the IRS is that incompetent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/krystle-marie-reyes_n_1586502.html

One Oregon woman almost got away with a bogus $2.1 million tax refund.

Krystle Marie Reyes, a 25-year-old woman from Salem was arrested and jailed last week for filing a bogus tax return on $3 million in income, according to an affidavit obtained by the Oregonian.

Reyes got $2.1 million back on a prepaid debit card and went on a bit of a spending spree, shelling out $150,000 on a variety of things, including a decidedly not-extravagant 1999 Dodge Caravan, according to the affidavit. She bought a 1999 Dodge Caravan and tires, among other things. According to the affidavit, Reyes appears to have lied about her employer and wages instead of stealing someone else's identity--an increasingly common way tax scammers are getting tax refunds.

Reyes got caught after reporting her debit card missing.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
:p well I prefer their type of crimes lol, where i don't get my face beaten in etc...
that is what i meant by robbing people.

I rather be have my id stolen etc.. instead of get beaten. A stolen Id is easier to deal with.

I had experience both type of crimes.

Risk vs reward the white collar crimes are much better vs the violent crimes.

Really it is much faster for a broken nose to heal after a mugging than it is, to legally straighten out identity theft or dispute fraud through court.

Methinks this is just a racially tinged superiority complex about which crimes are "less bad"

Ask a retired Teacher who had their entire pension erased by Micheal Milken's junk bonds, which crime they would have preferred.

or perhaps someone's entire ENRON pension and savings that were wiped out whether they would prefer to have their IPOD snatched or their entire home foreclosed on by the "nicer criminals" at Countrywide.

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Like i said I had both done to me, I rather spend time working out the id fraud than have my ass beaten.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
education is free. I grew up poorer than the kids in the projects. hell they made fun of me for wearing the same thing each day etc...

anyway point is anyone with basic reading skills can easily file them these days. hell or get a computer program. only thing they need is a stolen id and that is about it.

Education is most certainly NOT free.

Ask any college graduate about their monthly student loan payments.

From K-12 there are several caveats to the "free" argument

There is something called "district-ing" whereby people in lower income neighborhoods namely Blacks and Latinos' live in areas where there are not enough tax dollars allocated to schools and schools in such neighborhoods end up under-performing with less qualified and poorer performing students.

rich neighborhood schools versus poor neighborhood schools

right here in the NY area

Another thing, which as become quite popular is the "private funding" of public school related extra curricular activities and school sponsored events in areas where well heeled parents live:

enNY times article on this type of subsidy

another example:more info on how the rich become qualitatively different even with public school education

This causes a HUGE disparity in the quality of education Lakeisha gets versus Penelope.

This is NOT including the SAT ACT, KAPLAN, and after school enrichment programs that these parents can afford to lavish on their kids.

I am so familiar with the district argument, having grown up in the burbs and literally having witnessed huge PTA and community wars over the suspicious carving of "school districts" where poor whites would do ANYTHING to try to be included in the Clarkstown Central school district, but did EVERYTHING to rally against the Hispanics who would have been similarly entitled if the "district line" was drawn more fairly. I am talking about the inclusion of Nanuet versus Havestraw, Why extend the district more south but NOT more north? This was in Rockland county way back when. I don't know how it is now.

I know in Monsey where I grew up there were also similar fights, but none which made the Rockland Journal News as frequently.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
armchair_warrior
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you only need a basic reading and writing to commit fraud. don't need college. which is free and nyc government provides the same funding to a poor area vs a rich area.

in poor areas they might even provide extra help for those kids who are behind. liberals been throwing money at the poor problem for a long time. isn't about race its about culture.

They made fun of guys like me back in school, these kids grew up with English. This is my second language.

My parents as peasants didn't even have a education.

They would disrupt the class with fights, steal etc... because it is not cool to learn.

Teachers were afraid of these kids. If you fought back you learn fast, like i did. that they got bigger brothers out on the streets who would beat the shit out of you.

no body is stopping them from learning. only thing is their own stupidity and worship of the stupid thug culture.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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armchair_warrior said:
you only need a basic reading and writing to commit fraud. don't need college. which is free and nyc government provides the same funding to a poor area vs a rich area.

in poor areas they might even provide extra help for those kids who are behind. liberals been throwing money at the poor problem for a long time. isn't about race its about culture.

They made fun of guys like me back in school, these kids grew up with English. This is my second language.

My parents as peasants didn't even have a education.

They would disrupt the class with fights, steal etc... because it is not cool to learn.

Teachers were afraid of these kids. If you fought back you learn fast, like i did. that they got bigger brothers out on the streets who would beat the shit out of you.

no body is stopping them from learning. only thing is their own stupidity and worship of the stupid thug culture.

You did not read what I wrote.

1) If you look at suburbs, the school income is partly funded by LOCAL tax, so of course the amounts generated in richer areas would be more than what is generated in poorer areas. Just see the difference in Long Island schools.

2) If you read the links, provided you will notice that a growing trend among the urban wealthy is to PRIVATELY subside their school activities, thereby providing and advantage that cannot be overcome unless poor schools receive similar private funding of activities.

3)The problem you are talking about when you refer to teachers being afraid of the students is :an attribution bias where the same behavior by a same race child will probably be viewed differently
This is a documented psychological phenomenon, and is the reason why your women are soo loved by White guys. Due to their history of being perceived as ultra docile and feminine, their aggressive behvaior is not viewed as threatening the same way as the aggressiveness of a black woman would be viewed. See tiger mom versus ghetto mom, which one is less abusive? Or yells at their children and belittles them less?

This bias also creates an infinite feedback loop. You tell me from birth that based on my phenotype I am an aggressive, loud, and obnoxious person, I can do one of two things: embrace it out of helplessness, or become so self hating and pre-occupied with it that I become a caricature of everything that is "not black" (Clarence Thomas). See similar findings with Asian women who prefer white men.

What I am saying here is that it is a HARDER fight for a black person to "assimilate" than it is for and "Asian" to assimilate, due in part to our past racial history in the USA. So therefore, you were encouraged, where as Jebron might not have been. Worse yet, Your parents had an easier time moving into a neighborhood with good schools even if they were the poorest people on the block, than mine would have. I have a friend with a child, who moved her kid into a Bayside neighborhood, to take advantage of the "good schools" because her kid is black, he was singled out maliciously by other students, and began to under perform because of the teasing, and the indifference of teachers who didn't see him as "one of their own" due to his blackness and their whiteness.

To make point 3 even more salient I will bring up your own dating history. I am sure you are a great guy, but you are Asian, and with it comes all the stereotypes, ie attribution biases that come with "Asian maleness". This probably explains a significant portion of your dating "troubles" even among your own women. Black women face similar issues.

When I walk down the street, no one even wants to come up to me or is willing to believe that I don't have any kids, am a college professor and clinician, based on my phenotype.

AskMr and Mrs WhyNot if I look at all like most people's idea of a psycho-ologist.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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I'm talking about nyc education. NYC is the world to me, plus i know the place enough to talk about it. Other places have no idea.

The loudness can be cure with proper education or brain washing. which ever comes first.

I knew a few Clarence Thomas types, they were in the same boat i was. Who cares what others think, get yourself a damn education and go on with life. and bitch online to let off steam :p i do it all the time.

I don't let racism stop me.

Education and culture is very important and poor communities in America should take self responsibility after some time. Can't blame the man forever.

It's easier to blame the other guys for the problems of the community than actually looking at the problems. Like having kids outside of families. education is for white people and uncle toms etc....

I'm sure the rural poor probably blame foreigners for their problems.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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armchair_warrior said:
I'm talking about nyc education. NYC is the world to me, plus i know the place enough to talk about it. Other places have no idea.

The loudness can be cure with proper education or brain washing. which ever comes first.

I knew a few Clarence Thomas types, they were in the same boat i was. Who cares what others think, get yourself a damn education and go on with life. and bitch online to let off steam :p i do it all the time.

Our worlds are unfortunately created and are impacted by others and their view of us as individuals and people:

To make point 3 even more salient I will bring up your own dating history. I am sure you are a great guy, but you are Asian, and with it comes all the stereotypes, ie attribution biases that come with "Asian maleness". This probably explains a significant portion of your dating "troubles" even among your own women. Black women face similar issues.

When I walk down the street, no one even wants to come up to me or is willing to believe that I don't have any kids, am a college professor and clinician, based on my phenotype.

Ask Mr and Mrs WhyNot if I look at all like most people's idea of a psycho-ologist.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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A lot of arguments on what is the cause of the problems etc... is just educated nonsense could argue till the oceans gone dry.

To me only thing that should matter is actions. Most of the time so called politicians are just hustling for votes and do nothing for their communities.

stop and frisk one of the most hated things in nyc. yet biggest complaints of crime comes from the same communities they need more policing.

You can't tie the hands of the police, stop and frisk is stupid but it does show they are on the streets etc.... to show hey we are out here don't mess with us, like results or not that is a different story.

The police is the hammer you get blunt results. if they want soft results start with the family, brain wash/ educate them to not to have kids outside of family.

they could use welfare and food stamps as a incentive maybe some honest day work of picking up street garbage and going to a few hours of brainwashing on basics. you get the idea. there are better softer ways.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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The Psycho-ologist said:
Our worlds are unfortunately created and are impacted by others and their view of us as individuals and people:

To make point 3 even more salient I will bring up your own dating history. I am sure you are a great guy, but you are Asian, and with it comes all the stereotypes, ie attribution biases that come with "Asian maleness". This probably explains a significant portion of your dating "troubles" even among your own women. Black women face similar issues.

When I walk down the street, no one even wants to come up to me or is willing to believe that I don't have any kids, am a college professor and clinician, based on my phenotype.

Ask Mr and Mrs WhyNot if I look at all like most people's idea of a psycho-ologist.

I agree that others do have impact.

But no body is stopping those kids in get themselves a education.

Long story short, I mostly taught ourselves reading and writing etc.

They should change the law. schools should be a privilege. Some kids who don't want to go to school and cause trouble, they should have something else for them. instead these kids are forcing their hatred of a education on the rest of the school population.

Well you could tell i can't grammar for life lol. I am mostly self taught.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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When I was doing the stupid van thing, I got treated horribly by some asian/asian american women(high enough percentage). they think i'm some slave etc.. ordering me around. I take it with a smile.

I might have to deal with them and their white husbands etc.. But I never accepted their jobs again. they would call back etc..

One actually accused me of taking her ID once. I told her please pack all your things and don't leave anything in the draws, desk etc.. She left everything in her furniture. before the furniture transport.

Things get bump around and it moves around etc.. things drop out of draws. After talking to me she found it in the back of the desk some where.

She was a piece of work.....I might be a working class guy but she had no class at all.

People treat me nice, I'll go out of the way to help them.

It is also good motivation to go work harder and make something out of myself. they might live in fancy places renting with their bf/husbands now. One day they'll be renting from me or their kids will lol.

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# Posted 10 mos ago
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I hope you are right about getting even, AW.

...but I disagree with your belief in an equal opportunity education and "parent led learning" system in the US. We have made slow progress, but are no where near that benchmark.

It seems Psycho-ologist wants me to weigh in on what a typical psychologist looks like. As a result of economics and a ton of social factors and preferences, Psychologists and Therapists in private practice tend to look a lot the people in these hundreds of photos: http://m.therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/county/NY/Kings.html

Those who work for nonprofit agencies and institutions tend to have some more variety, but the overall trends and appearances are pretty constant.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 10 mos ago
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The Psycho-ologist said:
DISAGREE.

You are comparing apples with oranges. A community will commit a crime that is A) Most easily pulled off, and B) most lucrative. Hasidim are very easily recognized by others, because they are so different, so their crimes wont be mugging, since they would be easily identified, but rather Medicaid and Welfare fraud.

Italian Mafia are just as violent as the muggers, but due to their White phenotype, are able to more easily mingle with and do business with other Whites, therefore its easier for them and more lucrative to do business related crimes, and contract style killings.

Hasidim are a community that while they are poor, SELF SEGREGATES, so the crime they commit tends to be very insular and not noticed among people like you or me.

Many Mexicans also have the same dynamic due to language and cultural barriers.

If you read their own papers or really interact with them, you will know how much drugs, prostitution and all sorts of criminal activity is really taking place in Mexican communities.

If it's any indication read about the level of violence in the Juarez area in Mexico due to drug cartels.

Now poor Latinos from Puerto Rico and the DR, as well as poor Blacks are culturally integrated in the USA. They fit in with you and me and can pass along more "anonymously", so they ARE more likely to target you and me as "regular New Yorkers".

Now qualitatively that is also very different than poor Whites who tend to live in very rural and spread out areas, so their crimes are also not as "in your face". For an example, a meth addict in middle America will probably rob an empty house and get away by car, rather than mug a person on the streets. Those White poor live in the suburbs so mugging just isn't very lucrative to them.

Just notice how Columbine and Aurora type phenomenon don't happen in urban places because the difficulty in obtaining weapons in urban areas.

The type of crime many of these Hasidim perpetrate is qualitatively different and is often only reported to their own "authority" figures. I have a psychologist friend who works in this community, and can tell you that there is a MASSIVE amount of credit card, medicaid, welfare, housing and insurance fraud. Why because these things require very little face to face interaction and can be done by someone who looks very different from the American populous.

PS: crime is often committed same race on same race, due to the likelihood of living "amongst" your own, and being able to fade into the populous of "your own" as you try to flee capture.

I used that philosophy effectively, and chose to live in Latino neighborhoods, due in part to the fact that I love my brown people, but I know that since there is a huge cultural and language divide, I won't be targeted nearly as often, with cat calls etc. I have proven myself right anecdotally.

I also believe this is why when White folks get mugged or hurt by Black/Latino's its front page news, but every sad little Black woman/man who is ever assaulted/raped/mugged etc, doesn't even make a blurb next to the obituaries, because its so common.

His psychologist friend? How funny to read this post. As racist as it gets but semi credible until the "psychologist told him part." Honestly, I am embarrassed to read this so pleeeease, keep your identity a secret as it would be sad to see you laughed out of town. Honesty, nonsense like that can boot you to Jersey.

(As an aside, please do not show me a study of Chassid and medicare fraud. Please, I am bagging you...) As a second aside your shrink friend needs to come out of the shadows. This is America and we are all entitled to face our accuser. (Wondering how your shrink friend fits into the American "populous.")

Shocking rasism.

As far as moving out of the neighborhood?

Don't do it.

Take it from someone who made that mistake. The neighborhood is a jewel and you will never see it until you have left. The burbs are evil and rural America comes with a deathlike quiet and a frightening backwoods lack of intelligence that is simply hard to convey.

Leave the neighborhood? At your own risk my friends. At your own risk.

You never leave your neighborhood unless you clearly see a path forward for a better life and you choose it as a plan to make you happy as opposed to a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

I did learn something in the discussion. If indeed it is true that the volume of the music is designed to in essence say to the world, Hey, in your face, I believe that this can be overcome as well because I suspect that many people from a host of different backgrounds are opposed to this level of music and this type of attitude.

“When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”

# Posted 9 mos ago
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(As an aside, please do not show me a study of Chassid and medicare fraud. Please, I am bagging you...) As a second aside your shrink friend needs to come out of the shadows. This is America and we are all entitled to face our accuser. (Wondering how your shrink friend fits into the American "populous.")

There is a documentary called "In Satmar Custody" that deals with the Satmar's enticing a Yemeni couple to the States, then removing their children and giving them to other families after the death of a child. While the documentary doesn't outright claim fraud, the people in it speak freely about the numbers of Satmar that receive public assistance so the men can attend yeshivas. There is also a pretty frank discussion about children being re-located from families that have fallen out of favor with religious leaders to other Satmar families and the fact that the State (in this case it was NY) pays those people to serve as foster families.

While it may not be something that happens among every Hassidic sect, use (and some might say abuse) of the social service network is definitely encouraged by some sects.

# Posted 9 mos ago
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armchair_warrior said:
no body is stopping those kids in get themselves a education.

Yes, they are

If you are a kid whose parents cannot afford to move out of a district where the quality of education is sub par, this could mean a lot of things

- teachers might not recognize an easily curable learning disability
- teachers might not recognize a kid coming from a troubled home
- teachers can't reach every kid because classes are too big
- kids dont have enough materials or up to date materials to learn from
- curriculum is severely limited- i.e. no arts programs, no advanced programs, nothing but the bare minimum

You can get on that bootstrap garbage, but these are kids, not adults- in most cases they really DON'T know better, which is why there are laws to protect them and free public schools that are SUPPOSED to educate them.

I dont think its on society to ensure kids have the same opportunities stemming from parents, but kids should all definitely have unfettered access to the same quality of free public education... but right now, they don't, which goes a long way in creating the self-fulfilling inner city environment. Not to say the community or parents don't have a role either, but to completely ignore the quality of schools is asinine

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# Posted 9 mos ago
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Also, Armchair if I had to bet, I'd guess that your parents were fully functioning adults when you were born and that your mother and father spent a lot of time working to make your life bearable. Contrast that with some of these kids who at age 5-6 are being parented by 18-19 year olds who haven't yet figured out for themselves how to make it in the world and you see why the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" thing may be difficult for some people.

# Posted 9 mos ago
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Stats on Family Structure, by race, region, etc:

http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/state-of-americas-children-2011/pdfs/structure.pdf

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
Jack Krohn
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Re: the original question about neighborhood noise, I have been assured by a sage individual on this board that blasting music, including late in the evenings on work or school nights, without regard for your neighbors is cultural and that we must simply accept it. This is especially true if you are white or have lived in the neighborhood for less than 25 years. So, kindly stop whining and keep your ethnocentric complaints to yourself.

Thank you.

# Posted 9 mos ago
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Jack-
Not everything you read on the Internet is true.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago