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    1. dailyheights
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      The owners of Connecticut Muffin said they plan to open the seventh branch of their Brooklyn-based business on the corner of Nostrand and Bergen Street. Yasser Abdelhadi ... owns the coffee chain with his brothers Mohamed and Ahmed ...

      The Nostrand Avenue shop will be open seven days a week from about 6:30 a.m. to 9 p.m. and offer baked goods, soups sandwiches, coffee, and most important for many, free wifi.

      http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/connecticut-muffin-coming-to-nostrand-avenue

    2. whynot_31
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      Change is happening!

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    3. homeowner
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      This has been in the making since 2007. At that time the CM guys didn't think the demographics were suitable to make it sustainable. Clearly, the changes in the neighborhood have changed that opinion.

      I don't know whether or not to be happy or sad about this one...

    4. whynot_31
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      it was one of the last florists in the area. ...but I imagine that the muffin place will do far more business than it.

      So much foot traffic on Nostrand.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    5. brooklynian
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      Hey hey, the florist is not going away: The shop will move into 615 Nostrand, currently the home of Barbara’s Flowers. Barbara’s will move around the corner in the same building, to 1096-1098 Bergen St.

      Also, Atim Oton got quoted:

      But not everyone is cheering the change. “It’s a wait and see,” said Atim Oton, chair of Community Board 8’s Economic Development Committee. “Hopefully we don’t lose another small business.”

      Connecticut could lead to increased rents and take business away from existing CH merchants.

    6. whynot_31
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      While it is likely to take some money from existing merchants, it will also cause some to buy breakfast on Nostrand that presently are not.

      Mmmm, bagels and muffins.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    7. brooklynian
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      Honestly? It will take money from Dunkin Donuts. Amirite?

    8. whynot_31
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      While I believe the residents of Nostrand would like eggs Benedict, I suspect they will settle for muffins that are merely NOT made by Drakes or Hostess.

      Some might be psyched

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    9. whynot_31
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      They have opened a bunch of locations in Brooklyn over passed few years.

      http://www.connecticutmuffin.com/location.php

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    10. clayfilms
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      Mixed emotions about this. I would have rather a mom & pop coffee shop get that spot...but I find it very interesting that the only coffee shops that have been able to open up and survive on Nostrand have been chains.

      Very relieved that Barbara's florist isn't closing. They've served this community with quality and excellence (when other entrepreneurs didn't find it "financially viable") for decades.

    11. whynot_31
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      Present?

      Future

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    12. xlizellx
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      I am pleased to see this. dunkin donuts is the lot place in that area for coffee and to-go breakfast. Also, while they are a "chain", they are one of those only-in-new-York types of mini chains that only people in the hyper local area have. Like AREA kids in BoCoCa and PS

    13. eastbloc
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      Dunkin Donuts and Connecticut Muffins are franchises. They're not owned by some huge conglomerate. They're owned by individuals. The parent company simply makes it easier to start and run a business by providing an existing supply chain, branding, etc.

      The only argument I can see against a "chain" is that you don't like the products they offer. Apparently, they are liked by the patrons of Nostrand Ave, though.

      I'd say this is a sign of the avenue's continued resistance to gentrification more than anything. "Mom and pop shops" are an artisanal luxury desired most by those who grew up in the suburbs where there's a Dunkin Donuts on every block.

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      oh my god! I almost spilled my coffee!!!!! This is great. Now I dont have to go to franklin avenue to get something interesting to snack on.
      Nostrand ave. has so little to recommend it. Too many nail and hair salons, 99 cent junk stores and crappy bodegas where nothing healthy or good is ever available. our one historical meeting place - starlite bar was closed down so that we could get a crappy generic metro pcs store and guess what? another 99 cent store or 2 if you count the sock and 99 cent store around the corner.
      Thank god we have sakura tokyo and pacific oasis and no bar, its a start. syds sandwiches, the doubles place next to key food and punch line are good. I'm glad dunkin donuts is further away, conneticut muffin is way better. A good mom and pop or young entrepeneur store is always great but the stuff that has opened (and closed) like Joey's and the small cafe between St. marks & bergen , were terrible!!!! SSSSLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWWW service and crappy food. It shouldn't take 10 minutes to get a cup of coffee while they fill out a form, go to the fridge 3 times and figure out how to run the cash register, try to figure out how to make change etc. etc. and then what do I get - a costco muffin? no thanks. Connecticut may be a chain, but at least they can figure out seating, variety and quality products.

    15. whynot_31
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      Like many of the new businesses that open, I suspect this place will be quickly packed by existing residents.

      The Nostrand area has customers waiting to spend their hard earned $ on goods and services presently no available on the avenue, and businesses are starting to realize it.

      Costco, Drakes and Hostess .....it sucks to be you.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Hopefully they won't run out of doughnuts...am I right, xlizellx?

    17. clayfilms
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      "Mom and pop shops" are an artisanal luxury desired most by those who grew up in the suburbs where there's a Dunkin Donuts on every block.

      Are you from NYC? Local mom and pop shops are a staple of NYC local commerce long enjoyed by people who grew up in NYC.

      Let's not act like there aren't bakeries on Nostrand. There are at least 10 West Indian bakeries on Nostrand Ave from Fulton to Eastern Parkway. Yall probably just don't go to them. For example, Trinidad Golden Palace on Nostrand & St. Johns sells delicious breads, cakes, pastries and rolls that are baked on site and get sold out just about every weekend. I'm pretty sure that what's sold in Connecticut Muffin arrives on a truck.

      That said, I wish this Connecticut Muffin franchise the best.

    18. whynot_31
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      I think a lot of people would be sad if the bakeries start to disappear.

      Their best chance of survival may be to reach out to the newcomers who may not be familiar with their products, and/or change their offerings to meet their tastes.

      If they choose to remain the same, they risk not replacing "current" customers who are priced out, or whom cash out.

      It is tough to compete with the low prices, instant product recognition, and economies of scale that franchises bring. Many people just won't go to mom and pops anymore, because they perceive them as offering an inferior mix of goods and service.

      It takes a really good mom and pop to survive and thrive once the chain stores arrive.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    19. clayfilms
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      whynot_31 said:
      I think a lot of people would be sad if the bakeries start to disappear.

      Their best chance of survival may be to reach out to the newcomers who may be not be familiar with their products, and/or change their offerings to meet their tastes.

      If they choose to remain the same, they risk not replacing "current" customers who are priced out, or whom cash out.

      It is tough to compete with the low prices, instant product recognition, and economies of scale that franchises bring. Many people just won't go to mom and pops anymore, because they perceive them as offering an inferior mix of goods and service.

      It takes a really good mom and pop to survive and thrive once the chain stores arrive.

      I agree whynot, but I don't think these bakeries (at least not Trinidad Golden Palace) are going anywhere any time soon. The prices are amazing and the pastries are delicious. I guarantee you that Connecticut Muffin will charge more for their fare than the local W.I bakeries. The fact that C.M. will probably offer seating for at least 10+ people and a nice ambiance is something that the neighborhood needs, but taste wise I don't think that their pastries will be able to compare with homemade baked goods like this:

    20. booklaw
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      A franchised shop has to make hefty payments to the owner of the franchise. That means it usually has to charge more for its goods than does an independent operation.

    21. eastbloc
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      That may be true for a gas station, but hardly for a muffin shop.

      By covering such areas as sourcing and marketing, the franchise makes it far easier to start and operate a business, especially for first-time owners.

      It's generally the "Artisanal" mom-and-pop retail operations that cater to the luxury-goods crowd now, and have higher prices. Franchises on the other hand generally deliver more consistent (albeit not necessarily better, obviously) goods at a lower price.

      Case in point -- Walmart is a franchise.

    22. whynot_31
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      While I trust Clayfilm's tastebuds, and purchase similar goods somewhat regularly, I must admit that I am hesitant to stop by such places in unfamiliar neighborhoods (ie outside of CH, PS, PH).

      To many, "homemade bake goods like this (insert Clayfilms photos)" does not result in a thought of "yummy".

      The first thoughts are: " This product may have been cooked in a kitchen that has only the Department of Health's supervision. I feel more comfortable eating somewhere where there is also a Regional Manager and uniforms."

      Such thoughts and preferences are hard to overcome.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    23. booklaw
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      Walmart? I'm genuinely surprised.

    24. clayfilms
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      eastbloc said:
      It's generally the "Artisanal" mom-and-pop retail operations that cater to the luxury-goods crowd now, and have higher prices.

      That's not the case on Nostrand Ave. The only food franchises on Nostrand (between Fulton & Empire Blvd) are Dunkin Donuts and Golden Krust. Your point may be true on Washington or Vanderbilt or wherever the new artisanal mayo shop is opening, but not on Nostrand.

      To many, "homemade bake goods like this (insert Clayfilms photos)" does not result in a thought of "yummy".
      The first thoughts are: " This product may have been cooked in a kitchen that has only the Department of Health's supervision. I feel more comfortable eating somewhere where there is also a Regional Manager and uniforms." Such thoughts and preferences are hard to overcome

      I guess that's that suburban worldview. To me, the very sight of uniforms bring to mind careless, apathetic employees who toil for a mammoth, faceless food corporation and could care less about the quality of the food that they serve.

      Growing up in NYC, your everyday experience is buying goods from businesses whose employees own that business.

      Last post on this...

      When you pay $5 for one scone and coffee at Connecticut Muffin, you're paying for the ambiance and the ability to sit down while eating. But don't get it twisted, that same $5 will buy you a 1/2 dozen freshly baked pastries that were baked that morning (on site) from any of the mom & pop bakeries on Nostrand.

    25. hiscrownheights
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      I am speechless. To me, the very sight of uniforms brings to mind careless, apathetic employees who toil for a mammoth, faceless food corporation and could care less about the quality of the food that they serve.

      Growing up in NYC, your everyday experience is buying goods from businesses whose employees own that business.

      I told CLAYFILMS about this when I first got here. In the suburbs and everywhere but NYC, franchises have better food. lower rent, better equipment, distilled water. Here in Brooklyn its the total opposite. higher rent, older brick stone ovens and traditional equipment, the best water on the east coast. These mom and pops have been here making the same good food FOR AGES. and they making the same good food the way they know how. so thats why Im sorta anxious about the Conn (or Con) Muffin. high prices, not GRANDIOSELY better quality. I can go to Trinidad Golden Palace and get the dope quality CLAYFILMS speaks of. #CANUSMELLWHATTHEFLORIDIANISCOOKING?

    26. whynot_31
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      In this instance, I am the choir that doesn't need preaching to.

      The challenge to the mom and pops is that many of the area's newcomers may actually be from the suburbs, and or have the non-NYC mindset we are describing. As they move in, and replace departing residents, the businesses must tread very carefully. Once a CT Muffin is present, it may slowly capture the increasing tide of newcomers.

      In this worst case scenario, the older businesses then end up fighting each other for an ever shrinking pool of long term residents.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    27. eastbloc
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      Growing up in NYC, your everyday experience is buying goods from businesses whose employees own that business.

      Many franchises are owner-operated, uniforms or not.

      I'm all for the "local", unaffiliated shops. I'm for all shops, in fact -- let commerce flourish. I'm assuming people won't go to the Connecticut Muffin because they prefer to pay more, but because there's something there that the other businesses aren't offering.

      The beauty of free markets is that these businesses should be able to innovate and evolve to become competitive with that demand, whether that means a better coffee selection or a cleaner establishment.

    28. homeowner
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      Just a correction. Connecticut Muffins is not a corporate franchise (where a stranger can purchase the rights to use sell/operate a store under the corporate name a la Dunkin Donuts). All of the CM stores in NYC are owned and operated by two brothers. Whether they are planning on selling franchises in the future is a question I can't answer, but the same guys that own the one on 7th, own the CM on Myrtle and will be operating the one on Nostrand.

    29. eastbloc
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      Fair enough, I was speaking about franchises generally.

      CM qualifies as a local business to me. It's a "chain" in the same way Bergen Bagels is a chain. It has no presence outside of Brooklyn, and isn't a corporate franchise.

    30. hiscrownheights
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      umm should i mention seeing a connecticut muffin near Fairfax VA to the owners? cuz Im sure then now more than ever its illegal.

    31. booklaw
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      You should mention it, but I wouldn't assume it's illegal. There are no live federal trademark registrations for "Connecticut Muffin", and if the guys who own the NYC stores do not do business under the "Connecticut Muffin" name outside of New York State, then their trademark rights do not extend outside of NYS, and other people could perfectly legally open "Connecticut Muffin" shops in other states.

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      Hello everyone!  We the Abdelhadi family owners and proprietors of Connecticut Muffin are really happy to be a part of the Crown Heights neighborhood. Thank you for all the years of support many of you have given us.  We are ecstatic to provide our products and services to the community.  We would like to start by telling you a little bit about ourselves, and our company.

      We are local entrepreneurs that started from a small shop in Park Slope over fifteen years ago.  Slowly and steadily we have grown our business to 6 units throughout Brooklyn, where we were raised.  We also bake our products in Brooklyn with pride from scratch everyday in our very own bakery in Ditmas Park.  We buy and source locally when we can.  We select and roast in small micro batches the best Arabica coffee beans that we can find.  We are a family business and not a franchise.  We are hands on and come to work daily to insure your experience is what you expect it to be.  Great service, fantastic coffee and tea, and remarkable sweet treats.  This cafe will be a depart from prior designs as we plan on building a LEED certified sustainable cafe, with design in mind. This will be the most exciting Connecticut Muffin to date, paying homage to the neighborhood's great charm and architecture.  Connecticut Muffin - Crown Heights will be an evolution of what we have learned over the years and what we believe people long for, a place that they can call their own. 

      So thank you and we can't wait to be part of the neighborhood.

    33. whynot_31
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      Welcome!

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Article in Brownstoner today: http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/07/connecticut-muffin-expanding-to-nostrand-avenue/

      They sound bullish.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Ctmuffin said:
      Hello everyone!  We the Abdelhadi family owners and proprietors of Connecticut Muffin

      CT Muffin, here's something I've always wanted to know. Where does your name come from?

      Here's to great muffins in Crown Heights. Good luck!

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      I grew up in the suburbs, but have lived my whole adult life in Brooklyn. I have to say that one of the best things about moving to here was no longer having to rely on chains or the mall for the majority of my shopping needs. In fact, whenever possible I have always patronized locally owned businesses, even if it meant spending an extra buck here or there. So I don't think that being born outside of the five boroughs automatically should be associated with a strong desire for chain stores/restaurants to follow us. We like good food and good people too! But what I would like to see are less 99 cent stores and Chinese restaurants without seating (I'm looking at you, Kingston Avenue) and more business that offer quality products and variety. Hopefully if Connecticut Muffin can come in and be successful, it will inspire other independent businesses to also consider a location other than on Franklin Avenue. Welcome to the neighborhood, Abdelhadi family!

    37. cool the kid
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      Its kind of funny to see people dictate what businesses should and shouldn't open

      The nail shops + 99 cent bazaars are there because people use them.

      That said, I wish the owner luck. I think the business will succeed.

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    38. paraderest
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      According to their own website, Conneticut Muffin is not a franchise and is privately owned.

      And that's the way it is.
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      Any word on when this location is to open?

      It was still under construction the last time I walked by...

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    40. tsarina
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      I had a nice long chat with the 2 brothers. Seems like tomorrow is the day! They will be baking on the premises, and the inside is spectacular!!!! Old repurposed wood panels the walls and there is a large seating area. There will be food - not just muffins, and salads and soups. This will be a great place for the neighborhood. By the way, I notice more and more hair places closing down and their spaces are for rent. CT Muffin guys hinted that the closed Millie from Head to toe place might become a Beer garden. - I dont know whether to be happy or sad since that is on my block. Could this be the beginning of something big? Hurray!

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      Crazy if that's true. Nostrand certainly has plenty of closed store fronts, and while the commercial rents on Franklin aren't getting any cheaper, it seems logical this is where some new storefronts could open

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      Franklin is almost completely rented up, so it is not merely an issue of rent but also availability.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      It is now open!

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Amazing! I am so thrilled - I will be spending a lot of time there. I cannot wait for the weekend to hang out there. Such a much needed addition to the area.

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      photos from today's Brownstoner: http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/10/connecticut-muffin-opens-in-crown-heights/#disqus_thread

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    46. epiclylaterd
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      Tsarina, I checked Everyblock today and came across this:

      Confirmation to the beer garden rumor?

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      epic-
      Here's an OLD photo of the address. It should be fun to post an update when and if the permit is approved and the place opened:

      A more recent photo, from Google:

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Ready or not, here change comes again?

      DNA.info » 
      CROWN HEIGHTS — Go east, young man!

      For nearly a decade, eastward expansion has been the hallmark of Brooklyn's chattering classes: artists moved from Williamsburg to Bushwick, young families from Park Slope to Prospect Heights, students from Clinton Hill to Bedford-Stuyvesant.

      So too in Crown Heights, which has seen an influx of new residents (and a significant exodus of old ones) in the past five years. As Franklin Avenue storefronts fill up or turn over and rental prices on adjacent blocks continue to rise, more and more residents are again looking east for the next big thing — and they're looking for it on Nostrand Avenue.

      “Nostrand is undergoing a gradual upgrade in retail offerings, and it’s a reflection of an influx of people, both condo buyers and renters that can sustain businesses that formerly people didn’t think were going to work there," said Michael Guerra, executive vice president and managing director at Prudential Douglas Elliman.

      Along the avenue, as in much of Crown Heights, “access to transport and cultural monuments are as convenient as they are in Park Slope.” The commercial corridor — fed by the Long Island Rail Road and the A and C subway linest and by the 3 train to the south — already has among the lowest commercial vacancy rates in Crown Heights.

      Many community members were overjoyed at the long-awaited opening of Connecticut Muffin on the corner of Nostrand Avenue and Bergen Street last Monday, saying it heralded a new era in development for the area.

      But while much has been made of the move, the bakery itself was the product of a years-long courtship by city officials, and many of the same sorts of establishments — the kind that boast reclaimed wood and antler chandeliers — could face an uphill battle in their efforts to open on the avenue.

      "I've been looking around in Brooklyn for many months for places to open," said Mitch Polo, owner of Nostrand Avenue Pub, a bar with ambitions to open virtually across the street from Connecticut Muffin. "People that live within one or two blocks from Bedford or New York or Brooklyn Avenues should have a place to go that's closer than Franklin."

      In theory, Community Board 8 agrees — after all, bars and restaurants like Nostrand Avenue Pub have been the engine behind much of the area's recent economic growth. But Polo said his nascent business has already hit a snag with its liquor license, which the board insists should limit his hours to 3 a.m. on weekends.

      "We've heard from residents in our neighborhood wanting earlier closing times," Economic Development Committee chair Atim Oton told Polo at last Thursday's community board meeting. "They are property owners who invest in their properties and need to go to work in the morning."

      The move comes as part of a broader push. Investment in the neighborhood's attractive housing stock has helped raise the avenue's profile among newcomers. But Polo said the board's push toward earlier hours runs counter to his interests.

      "The limited hours would make it virtually impossible for me to compete," Polo said.

      Borough President Marty Markowitz personally wrote to the board to express his support for a 4 a.m. closing.

      "The current location, which is blighted by broken windows and garbage in the backyard, will be replaced by an upscale establishment that will provide jobs for local residents as well as snacks and appetizers for its patrons," Markowitz wrote. "However, the doors of this local business can remain open only if it is allowed to compete fairly with other local liquor establishments."

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121016/crown-heights/with-all-eyes-on-nostrand-avenue-crown-heights-mulls-its-next-move

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    49. epiclylaterd
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      Well, now we have a name for the place. I agree with the owner about establishing new businesses on Nostrand. I live closer to Nostrand than Franklin and wouldn't mind some good eats and drink opening up in the empty storefronts. And empty storefronts, there are a-plenty.

    50. whynot_31
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      While the name "Nostrand Avenue Pub" is descriptive, it doesn't get many points for creativity.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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