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happens to be a part of Crown Heights that none of us live in. http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2010/07/09/2010-07-09_crown_jewels_inside_an_amazing_brooklyn_nabe_crown_heights.html
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i like the "there is nothing but peace on these streets" line that comes a few paragraphs after mentioning that there were 7 shootings in one week recently. i'd also like to see some pics of the litter-less streets that the writer mentions. nice little article, though.
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None? self centered much?
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elgoats » None? self centered much?
Maybe an exaggeration, but it seems that most people here are clustered around the west side And I've been out there... it's not bad... but I def wouldn't wanna live there[Mamacita said:
I <3 CTK
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This article makes me think of how much time and energy posters like Carnivore spend on defining where the western border of Crown Heights is, but no one seems concerned about where the eastern border is.
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Well, Sir, the eastern border of Crown Heights doesn’t matter in the context of this web site, because ... there is nothing east of it! Meaning: there is no neighborhood section for Brownsville or Ocean Hill (or East New York, or Cypress Hills, or East Flatbush, or Canarsie, or New Lots). —An omission that says a lot. Doesn’t it? Whereas, since Prospect Heights was the original and sole neighborhood covered in the early days of this web site, it is unsurprising that there are those who wish to defend its borders.
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very few people that post on this site live there. that's the only reason.
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sandcastler » Well, Sir, the eastern border of Crown Heights doesn’t matter in the context of this web site, because ... there is nothing east of it! Meaning: there is no neighborhood section for Brownsville or Ocean Hill (or East New York, or Cypress Hills, or East Flatbush, or Canarsie, or New Lots). —An omission that says a lot. Doesn’t it? Whereas, since Prospect Heights was the original and sole neighborhood covered in the early days of this web site, it is unsurprising that there are those who wish to defend its borders.
Look at the traffic of other neighborhoods vs PS, CH, PH... making a section for Brownsville/Canarsie etc would be a waste of time[Mamacita said:
I <3 CTK
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Subject: Terra incognita
A waste of time? Naw, that ain’t it. These are not sewn by hand. It might take a minute to make one for “Brownsville to Cypress Hills, Canarsie, and Here Be Sea Monsters.” However, yes: it would likely be as neglected as the Red Hook board. So, hmmm.... You do have a point. -
Subject: Re: Daily News article about Crown Heights
mr. met » happens to be a part of Crown Heights that none of us live in.
I lived there, right off Utica Ave, for about a year. -
Subject: Crown Jewels: Inside an amazing Brooklyn nabe, Crown Heights
I guess Jason Sheftell, the writer of this article is blind, how come he did not see the drug dealers loitering on the block, the idiots walking their pit bulls off the leash, the filth, the garbage pile up on the side walk and the extremely dirty train station? What Crown Heights did he visit? I would like to live there. -
Subject: Re: Terra incognita
sandcastler » A waste of time? Naw, that ain’t it. These are not sewn by hand. It might take a minute to make one for “Brownsville to Cypress Hills, Canarsie, and Here Be Sea Monsters.” However, yes: it would likely be as neglected as the Red Hook board. So, hmmm.... You do have a point.
You've stumbled upon a brilliant idea I would like to see implemented: let's have the mods make a "Hic Sunt Dracones" board for all the unexplorable, unventurable sections of Brooklyn!
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Or, Hic Sunt Chiropterae...
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Actually, I live there, and have a hard time getting into things on the board bc I always feel like the focus is centered on the hipper areas of CH...
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After living here for close to six decades, I would say that the eastern boundary of Crown Heights would be Ralph Avenue. Growing up, we always felt that Brownsville began on the western side of Ralph Avenue. I'm sure some Brooklyn historian will dig up an article refuting this. I'm only speaking about relatively (six decades) new history.
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Increasingly I find that neighborhoods are conforming to community boards, which didn't exist prior to 1950. Interestingly the eastern edge of CB 8 is Ralph Avenue, which conveniently is where bklyn50 says Crown Heights ends. The creation of a separate n'hood called "North Crown Heights" out of what used to be part of northern Crown Heights and part of southern Bed-Stuy can probably be traced to the creation of CB 8, which consists mostly of what is now considered Crown Heights North. Crown Heights South is essentially the same as CB 9. A tidbit of historical trivia: CB 8 and CB 9 used to be one community board but were split in the 60's when the mayor split the southern half off. The Hasidic community was given control of the new board. To this day, CB 9 has a rabbi as the board chair, despite the fact that a majority of the residents are in fact not Jewish. Subsequently, residents in the western half of CB 8, that part comprising Prospect Heights revolted and wanted to be added to Park Slope, CB 6. Doing so would have resulted in making CB 8 too small to meet the minimum population threshold to be a community board. When the PH rebellion was put down and PH was forced to continue to be a part of CB 8, I'm told a number of homeowners in PH sold their homes and left the community.
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Subject: Re: Crown Jewels: Inside an amazing Brooklyn nabe, Crown Hei
Farside » I guess Jason Sheftell, the writer of this article is blind, how come he did not see the drug dealers loitering on the block, the idiots walking their pit bulls off the leash, the filth, the garbage pile up on the side walk and the extremely dirty train station? What Crown Heights did he visit? I would like to live there.
You know, maybe the author of the article saw it through the residents' eyes. And that's what it looks like. I remember reading "House on Mango Street" by Sandra Cisneros, a book from a child's perspective set in a poor, Latino area of Chicago. I picked it up from the library one day, and read it without any context. I loved the way the narrative brought out details of the narrator's neighborhood that gave her pleasure as a child. For me, reading it was a wonderful experience of "going back" to the mindset of a child. Later, I learned that the book is taught in schools as a narrative about poverty. Curriculums focus on the elements of the girl's experience that refer to poverty. I didn't read the book that way at all, but I also grew up in a poor, urban area. Maybe people who live there really do "see" a different neighborhood than visitors. Maybe, both ways of "seeing" are legitimate. P.S.: I see a lot of the same things that the writer of the article did about that area of Crown Heights. It feels like a neighborhood where people live for years and really look out for each other, despite having to overcome a lot of challenges to their daily survival (like the violence of battling drug dealers).Very un- "sivilized". -
Perhaps needless to say, one's perspective of a neighborhood is also based on where they live. Compared to many neighborhoods in NYC, Crown Heights is the utopia described in the article. Compared to other neighborhoods in NYC, Crown Heights is accurately described by Farside. ...let's not make it into something it isn't though. It has pockets of weath, and swaths of poverty. It has large numbers of working people, and a small percentage of people who prey on others.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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