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Just got word yesterday that Jam Rock Kitchen is moving from its spot on Franklin Ave between Eastern Parkway and Lincoln Place to Nostrand Ave and Fluton to a larger location that will offer more seating for dinners.
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I am glad they did well on Franklin, and hope they do well on Nostrand!
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Big loss to Jamaicans in the area spoke to cj about it this morning he consoled me and told me he will deliver. The spot will probably be another coffee joint something we really really need on Franklin
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It might be replaced with another coffee shop.
If so, I'll add them to my coffeeshop deathwatch thread:
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I would love to see a cheese shop move in - it's right next to the wine store, so the location is perfect. Not sure if the neighborhood is quite ready to support something like that yet, but with the condos opening up across the street in the next year...
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I'm thinking bagels.
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PLEASE BAGELS.
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Cheese shop opening up by Zelda's. once again this caters to certain intrested parties
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Most businesses are going to cater to a specific group.
For example, Jam Rock catered to those who are interested in West Indian food and had the money to pay for it. It sounds like they did well!
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He did do well I was a heavy supporter. He needed more space to accommodate a growing customer base. I love to see that happen ESP when my money had something to do with it Love It!!!
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When I am hungry for West Indian food, my money goes to The Islands on Washington Ave.
It is located closer to me than Jam Rock was....
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Oh we'll good for u. I'm always in the mood for my native food.
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I am in the mood for West Indian food less than always. Sometimes I enjoy bagels, or cheese.
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That does not surprise me.
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I liked the food here. It was a bit pricey but always good. I didn't like how they would pile their garbage around they only bike rack in that side of the street on Saturday night and it would sit until Monday. That was not good for their neighbors' trying to make a buck on Sundays. Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to eating at their new place.
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Garbage and bike rack issues oh boy.
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You could have called 311 on the garbage. You're not supposed to leave it out before the night of the pickup.
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Call 311 because he put garbage out too early give me a break don't you have better things to do with your time.
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It only takes a few minutes, and if it changes someone's antisocial behavior it's worth it.
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As the condos at EP and Franklin near completion, I suspect the realtors will make lots of 311 calls.
They will want prospective buyers to see a neighborhood in which there is order, and is always in the process of maintaining quality of life issues. They (and the people who move in) will use the muscle of the city to help them get the best return for their investments.
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And what about the people on the other side of the pkwy will they be allowed to cross the street and walk pass these luxury condos or will 311 be called too . They will probably be antisocial too. Remember we have to maintain the new class structure in the neighborhood. I see we have a lot of eyes observing these people and will help police them. By them I mean the antisocial poor rats that they are perceived to be,
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I am sorry you perceive them that way.
There is good butcher and drug store over there, I go to it somewhat often.
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chloeroyale said:
And what about the people on the other side of the pkwy will they be allowed to cross the street and walk pass these luxury condos or will 311 be called too . They will probably be antisocial too. Remember we have to maintain the new class structure in the neighborhood. I see we have a lot of eyes observing these people and will help police them. By them I mean the antisocial poor rats that they are perceived to be,And letting people continue to dump trash where ever the darn well please will help this?
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No u and ur crew mike perceive them that way. Humans always needs to have some one to look down on
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chloeroyale said:
No u and ur crew mike perceive them that way. Humans always needs to have some one to look down onI have a crew now? That's awesome! I've always wanted one.
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Chloe, I suspect you may feel very differently if some one was putting garbage in a car parking space. Then just imagine that it was the only spot on that side of the street.
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Vaportrail people do dump garbage on me regular garbage and construction debris I just deal with it and me and my disabled husband move it. Calling 311 does not enter our mind.
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chloeroyale said:
Vaportrail people do dump garbage on me regular garbage and construction debris I just deal with it and me and my disabled husband move it. Calling 311 does not enter our mind.That's strange. I call 311 often. I want to live in a nice place.
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It would not surprise me if there was a correlation between neighborhood change (be it investment/gentrification, or disinvestment/slumification) and 311 utilization.
People likely use it as a way to try to protect their investments against perceived threats.
I would hypothesize that the financially and emotionally invested, and those that have good experiences with authorities in the past, tend to use it more than those who are less invested, or have had negative experiences.
READERS: SKIP NEXT SEVERAL POSTS TO AVOID BICKERING.
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Whynot, I agre. I live in Ditmas Park now and supposedly we are one of the top 3 neighborhoods for noise. I say it's crap, though, because it is solely based on 311 noise calls. Meaning it isn't necessarily louder, rather that people complain more here. I prefer to say we are in the top 3 most full-of-complainers neighborhoods. Our place in Crown Heights was WAY louder, but less people called.
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What's your address, chloe? I have some garbage for you.
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Eastbloc pm me and I will tell u. I will also be waiting for u to deliver it to my door. That's when we will have something for u to hold on to!
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But u know Eastbloc I bet u won't come. Talk is cheap and u got a lot of talk.now the ques is can you back it up. Sometimes u need to play it cool because screen names can come to light.i use to hear people like u talking and I would say to myself boy he's got of talk but can he spit those words face to face I bet not!!!!!!
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...it seems I will need other researchers to explore my hypothesis.
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That's right why not get researchers for your masters thesis
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Nah, more people read this silly message board than most Masters thesis. And, I like some of these characters better.
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I'd offer to buy you coffee sometime, chloe, but you're bound to be disappointed. I'm not known to be meek in person. I'm also more likely to pick up garbage that's not mine than to leave it for others.
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Easy bloc that what u say and I know for a fact talk is cheap
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Take it easy, folks... I'd prefer not to have to close this thread.
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Easy there, sheriff booklaw. There's no reason to close the thread.
I'll PM chloe about our coffee date. If either of us get hurt, you've got my permission to cooperate with the 77th
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Hopefully those two posters are bonding.
Meanwhile, now that the M-F workweek has resumed, readers might be looking for a way to kill some time. I put forward my hypothesis one more more time:
whynot_31 said:
It would not surprise me if there was a correlation between neighborhood change (be it investment/gentrification, or disinvestment/slumification) and 311 utilization.People likely use it as a way to try to protect their investments against perceived threats.
I would hypothesize that the financially and emotionally invested, and those that have good experiences with authorities in the past, tend to use it more than those who are less invested, or have had negative experiences.
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Actually, Whynot, I'm not sure if there is a correlation. 311 is a very recent addition to the city and provides a very easy, non-confrontational method of voicing displeasure about the behavior of others. Given the fact that 1) its easy; and 2)it means avoiding confrontation I think it probably gets used often by people who previously were either not aggrieved enough to spend time and energy tracking down the correct party to complain to or didn't want to get into a dispute with their neighbors.
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Yea, I'm certain 311 has increased the amount of work that city agencies have to do.
This is good and bad.
Good: We not longer live in a city where it is common to see things like huge sink holes in the street, where the residents (out of desperation) have resorted to putting shopping carts and trash cans in the holes to warn drivers. Now, the city is made aware of such things and (for the most part) fixes them. ...while some of this can be attributed to having a "richer" city, a lot of it is that the city is able to quickly learn where such problems exist.
Bad: People depend upon the city to resolve pretty petty disputes. While I am all for giving residents the ability to use the "muscle" of the city, it probably is a lot cheaper and time efficient to politely ask/tell people to cut something annoying out.
I think some newbies to the neighborhood use 311 more, because they expect the areas to quickly change to their preferences, and/or they don't have the credibility that comes from having long term relationships.
...while I am a nice guy, I put more weight on not pissing off neighbors whom I expect to have for years in the future, than ones who I think I am likely to lose because I believe they are moving, or I am moving.
As the demographics of neighborhoods change, it isn't just the business mix that is forced to change ...it is the norms too.
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xlizellx said:
Whynot, I agree. I live in Ditmas Park now and supposedly we are one of the top 3 neighborhoods for noise. I say it's crap, though, because it is solely based on 311 noise calls. Meaning it isn't necessarily louder, rather that people complain more here. I prefer to say we are in the top 3 most full-of-complainers neighborhoods. Our place in Crown Heights was WAY louder, but less people called.xlizellx-
Do you think this is because your Ditmas Park neighbors are less transient than your CH ones?There is probably some relationship to age, education, wealth, race, and income level ...but I kinda feel like focusing on the transient thing.
Likewise, maybe your Ditmas Park neighbors have more young infants that they don't want woken up? Or, they work in jobs that make THEM more physically tired than their CH counterparts.
Or, have they just lived in the city longer and know that complaining about things is not always productive?
....It would be interesting to see how often people living in those new condos that have popped up are CH calling 311.
So many mysteries!
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Oh they will be calling regular u said it "its about their investment!"
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