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Is there some sort of list where people can offer rooms in their apartments or homes for Sandy victims who need temporary shelter?
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I think this is a great idea and I totally hate to be a wet blanket and pessimist, but is this a wise thing to consider in NYC given the tenant laws? I can see this working well for people who were in/looking for sublets/shares.
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I think facebook would be the medium for this.
For example, I would be willing to house someone one of my friends (or co-workers) knows but I do not.
This relationship (even though not close) would provide some accountability and assurance that the offer would be good for only a set period of time.
If everyone did this, only those who had "no friends with friends who had couches" would require assistance from the city. Thus, it would potentially make the situation slightly better for all affected.
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We have a very small spare room in our apartment and I would be happy to clear it out for someone who just needs a warm place to sleep. But I don't know how to offer this, other than posting on Facebook or Craigslist.
Whynot, I'm with you in that I would not necessarily feel comfortable opening my home to someone who was not (at the very least) a friend or family member of a friend or acquaintance.
Something to think about...
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My job is encouraging people who are without power (because there are far more of them, than those who lost a place), to hook up with others with power to arrange one or two night sleepovers for them and their family members. Perhaps you should offer at work or through another organization you are afiliated with?
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Ishtar said:
I think this is a great idea and I totally hate to be a wet blanket and pessimist, but is this a wise thing to consider in NYC given the tenant laws? I can see this working well for people who were in/looking for sublets/shares.I think anyone who lives with any one for 30 days or something like this is a legal tenant and can't be kick out without a court order. other places besides nyc would work but here sucks. don't do it!!
cost you lawyer money to kickout a guest. I read it somewhere that it happen to them now with a ex friend. who refuse to move out of their apt. since they were living in there for free.
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There may also be local laws on this issue. In New York City, for example, if a guest has been living in the apartment for over 30 days, then the Unlawful Eviction Law prevents tenant or landlord from any self-help remedies to evict the guest, even if he’s not technically a tenant.
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From what I have read, this crisis is especially bad in that it has affected so many large public housing projects.
The boilers and elevators to these buildings will take some time to repair, and NYCHA tends to house a population that is disproportionaly disabled and less likely to have resources from work, friends or family.
The city is in quite a pinch. As seen below, it has created a patchwork of shelters at schools for persons displaced by Sandy, but I expect the system to become under significant strain now that school is back in session:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dhs/html/home/home.shtml
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Maybe I'm young and naive. But I don't think to many people would permanently move into a small NYC sized apartment with a stranger when their waiting for their home to be repaired. Of course those living in public housing could be another story.
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whynot_31 said:
From what I have read, this crisis is especially bad in that it has affected so many large public housing projects.The boilers and elevators to these buildings will take some time to repair, and NYCHA tends to house a population that is disproportionaly disabled and less likely to have resources from work, friends or family.
The city is in quite a pinch. As seen below, it has created a patchwork of shelters at schools for persons displaced by Sandy, but I expect the system to become under significant strain now that school is back in session:
It's true. We visited a NYCHA building today as a staff to bring food and clothes and blankets to our students trapped in their own homes. Without elevators, parents/grandparents in poor health/wheelchairs can't take them to school. Without power, the halls are pitch black even during the day and scary to venture out into due to muggings, etc.
no heat, only some with power, and few with water. Kids told us of fighting to fill buckets with water at the hydrant left open over the weekend. It's so sad. -
newguy88 said:
Maybe I'm young and naive. But I don't think to many people would permanently move into a small NYC sized apartment with a stranger when their waiting for their home to be repaired. Of course those living in public housing could be another story.Wait, what? Am I reading this wrong? That people wouldn't willingly move into a NYC apartment with another person if homeless due to the storm unless they were poor enough to already be living in public housing?
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If Armchair is correct, to get a great apartment all you'd have to do is move in to that great apartment for 30 days as a victim of the hurricane, then drive the actual lease-holder crazy. So if the lease holder wants to get away from you, they'd have to vacate - giving you the right to the apartment. And now you have an amazing apartment. Boom -
Working on the task:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/nyregion/housing-relocation-begins-after-hurricane-sandy.html
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Waiving process, and regulations regarding community input:
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/35/45/dtg_carrollshelter_2012_11_09_bk.html
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lol wow stealth tactics.
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The city knows that, given the circumstances, the judges and media will side with the city.
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http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/downloads/pdf/nycha-development-power-outages-hurricane-sandy.pdf
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/downloads/pdf/nycha-development-heating-outages-hurricane-sandy.pdf
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Mayor Bloomberg announced today that AirBnB has created a platform for people who want to open their homes and Sandy refugees to find each other: https://www.airbnb.com/sandy
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Air BnB has a sectin of its website now dedicated to Sandy, partnership with the City. They've waived all fees to allow people to offer space and for searches/sign ups.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." -
xlizellx said:
Wait, what? Am I reading this wrong? That people wouldn't willingly move into a NYC apartment with another person if homeless due to the storm unless they were poor enough to already be living in public housing?Also
If Armchair is correct, to get a great apartment all you'd have to do is move in to that great apartment for 30 days as a victim of the hurricane, then drive the actual lease-holder crazy. So if the lease holder wants to get away from you, they'd have to vacate - giving you the right to the apartment. And now you have an amazing apartment. BoomWhat I mean is I think that not too many of those who have been displaced would screw over people who are kind enough to offer them temporary shelter.
If your really concerned with the whole 30 days thing. have them sign an agreement stating that they under stand they must vacate the property on the 28th day or something. And that if they fail to do so they are considered trespassers.
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newguy88 said:
What I mean is I think that not too many of those who have been displaced would screw over people who are kind enough to offer them temporary shelter.If your really concerned with the whole 30 days thing. have them sign an agreement stating that they under stand they must vacate the property on the 28th day or something. And that if they fail to do so they are considered trespassers.
lol that note would be illegal in nyc.
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NYCHA continues to work on getting its building back on line
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Do not invite strangers in NYC. you could do it almost in any of the 50 states but not NYC. It is called Moscow on the Hudson for a reason!!!
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In light of the dire, immediate need, the city is considering using a former prison on Staten Island:
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If you have extra room, get in touch with the OccupySandy people.
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Are you a landlord with a vacant apartment?
The city would like to hear from you:
Given the lack of supply, expect the cost of rentals in the lower end of the market to soar.
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All of the NYCHA buildings now have power and heat:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/news/nycha-hurricane-sandy-progress-report.shtml
Very nicely done, NYCHA!
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Two weeks later, the "only" people left in the city's evac centers and shelters are chronically poor people made homeless by the storm, and the population it was housing prior to the storm.
Because the shelters are full, the city is resorting to low end motels. The population housed in shelters and evac centers is at a bursting point (47,000), just as the busiest season (winter) begins....
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Preparing for future disasters that result in a housing crisis:
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The work to restore heat to non-NYCHA, large buildings continues:
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP51307a5faad8495eac0e4d010aa76c57.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTAPHeadlinesThe city sets a goal of repairing 300 homes a day:
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP5c8c82b614774886acde865b877fd952.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTAPHeadlines
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As alluded to above, the city is tasked not only with finding not only housing for those who have been displaced, but housing that meets the needs of the residents; Housing that is similar to the setting the displaced are from.
For example, if the displaced person is on public assistance the city is going to place them in a shelter.
Likewise, those in need of medical care and supervision are ending up in quickly created nursing/adult homes:
However, if the person is middle income, they may be placed in midtown hotel, so they can be close to their work.
At present, the city has over estimated how many people would need hotels:
The city seems to have under estimated the resources middle income people have in terms of "friends with couches" and their ability to quickly find alternative housing.
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Dec 5, 2012:
Curbed » Starting this week, 2,500 vacant apartments throughout the five boroughs will be made available to displaced victims of Hurricane Sandy through the listing website Urban Edge. The city has been working with landlords and housing authorities for a month on the program in order to alleviate overcrowded shelters and move families out of hotels. The Journal reports that units will be available on a first come, first served basis, and tenants can lease directly from landlords or fill out an application for the city to place them. More units will be available in the coming months, as some landlords have indicated that buildings currently being renovated will be added to the program.
The legality of short term leases was a concern, but many landlords said they will offer the required 12 month lease but let victims break the lease with no penalties. Others will be working with housing group Common Ground, which will lease the units directly, then sublease them to tenants for shorter terms. The program will help storm victims, but it will worsen the housing shortage—the vacancy rate is only 3 percent—faced by the entire city.
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whynot_31 said:
The city knows that, given the circumstances, the judges and media will side with the city.This belief is so strong and their present need is so great, that DHS is willing to open shelters that test the limits of existing laws and regulations:
Once the crisis is over, DHS will again abide by a more conservative interpetation.
Until then, "We are doing what we need to do, and what needs to be done. Get the hell out of our way".
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The poorest of the poor....
Thanks to a timely donation, emergency support is helping adult home residents with psychiatric disabilities in New York City who were displaced by Hurricane Sandy to cope through this crisis.
CIAD, a New York City-based advocacy group for adult home residents, is using the funds to hire and train ex-residents to provide a range of service to their peers, including:
· Identifying displaced homeless residents and assisting them to locate and transition to more independent supportive housing
· Providing crisis support and counseling to displaced adult home residents
· Helping to advocate for residents with staff in temporary shelters
· Helping residents to apply for emergency FEMA benefits
The funds were made possible through a contribution from Optum, the organization that manages New York City’s behavioral health Medicaid program, who enlisted the aid of the New York Association of Psychiatric Rehabilitation Services (NYAPRS) to develop the project.
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splunge said:
Air BnB has a sectin of its website now dedicated to Sandy, partnership with the City. They've waived all fees to allow people to offer space and for searches/sign ups.Despite this nice gesture by Air BnB and this short lived NYC-Air BnB partnership, the city is pursuing fines against people who rent out their apartments as hotels:
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The increase began pre-Sandy, due to the escalating rents at the lowest part of the market.
The shelter population will take some time to reduce....
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As explained above, it is usually only the poorest and most needy who end up in NYC homeless shelters for an extended period of time.
This makes me optimistic that owners of homes who were so close to foreclosure that Sandy actually pushed them into foreclosure, will avoid DHS shelters.
However, I am not as confident that renters living in such homes will as lucky.
This article discusses how Sandy has pushed many homeowners into foreclosure in nearby Canarsie: http://www.bkbureau.org/canarsie-braces-foreclosure-wave-after-sandy
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The WSJ is reporting the census in NYC shelters exceeded 50,000 people a night during January
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Crains and the Daily News are reporting that the storm impacted people on the lower end of the income scale the most:
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130306/REAL_ESTATE/130309915
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It is tempting to blame the surge in homeless in shelters on Sandy. One must also factor in the increasing rents in NYC.
Likewise, The census in shelters is one thing, but The impact on the city budget is also concerning. Here is a well written analysis: http://ibo.nyc.ny.us/cgi-park2/?p=323
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Bloomberg might not have meant to setting up a classic fight, but he has.
Side one: These people are poor because the city's prosperity has not benefited everyone.
Side two: These people are poor because they are from somewhere else. "Our" people are better than ever.
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As of April 30th, the government will no longer pay to house people in hotels:
Neeedless to say, the vast majority of the original "Sandy hotel population" has already obtained housing.
Regarding the population that remains, unless they have been staying in the hotel until a May 1 lease kicks in, the group that remains is likely bound for the NYC shelter system.
...which just about ends this long winded thread on the prolonged effects of a natural disaster.
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