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There was police tape up at the bodega on Lincoln and Franklin and Lincoln was blocked off. Not more violence, I hope.
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http://gothamist.com/map/ Shooting Franklin Ave Brooklyn, NY 8/7/2010 4:41 a.m ....that is all I know. No address or intersection is provided, so I predict Gothamist just plopped a badge down on the avenue where it felt like it.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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When I passed by this morning, I saw several upended cups, as though they had been placed there to mark the location of bullets. Then again, I imagine if there had been shots fired that someone would have posted about it.
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I was sparing everyone, I'd rather chat about bike riders
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King without a crown » I was sparing everyone, I'd rather chat about bike riders
there are some really good looking ones out and about this afternoon.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Maybe MHA can share details of the shooting, he seems to be in the "know"
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MHA knows nothing about this one. I haven't heard anything.
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I don't have the details, but I know that at least one person was shot on Franklin
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He survived? ....or has a sidewalk shrine and candles appeared?For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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whynot_31 » there are some really good looking ones out and about this afternoon.
...not that I'd ever notice - I'm married....not that there's anything wrong with that. -
Seems there was a shooting/stabbing. http://spotcrime.com/crime-report/11815827/shooting+on+lincoln+pl.+and+franklin+ave.%2C+brooklyn%2C+ny
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Subject: Re: Police Activity at Bodega on Lincoln and Franklin
photogirl » There was police tape up at the bodega on Lincoln and Franklin and Lincoln was blocked off. Not more violence, I hope.
They were giving the owners of the Deli a community service award.. They give it out to the vendor that sells the most illegal smokes per week..the gunsfire is a to say thanks for the award -
So, here is my question: should the local neighborhood do gooders bother with their plea that the area remain under Project Impact? This most recent shooting shows (surprise?!) that there continues to be a lot of crime. Is Impact makin' a Impact? Maybe it is time to focus more on raids than bored cops driving around in vans. I envision something like the Nostrand raid, but only with more criminals than politicians.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Yeah, there was definitely a shooting. My room mate heard the shots and went outside to investigate. He said he saw them wheeling someone into an ambulance.
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Maybe the Community can get more involved and form a neighborhood watch group. Maybe we shouldn't patronize stores that provide safe havens and allow drug dealers to sell drugs in their store. Maybe we should educate youngins on the idiocy of the "No Snitchin" rule in da hood. Maybe neighborhood residents could cooperate and call 911 every time they see these miscreants selling drugs on the corner. Maybe after they call 911, they could cooperate with responding Police Officers rather than being vague and anonymous. Maybe more people should attend the Community meetings held at their local Precinct and see what they can do to help. Ok thats enough for now, its MHA's turn......
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Folks decide which is the more permanent, scarier presence: the police vs the criminal element. Lots of folks decide they should not bother either element. The remainder decide "if I'm going to piss someone off, it shouldn't be the criminals" in thier minds, they have made a thought out, logical choice that protects their well being. ....those out at 4 AM on Franklin are a known entity to all.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Well, I certainly don't patronize either of those corner stores. I used to buy coffee in one of them before I knew better, and occasionally use the ATM, now, I walk by. There is another directly across the street, and given the dilapidated state, I've never walked in it; It looks like a urinal with a counter. Can't the city step in and just cite building violations? I know that they have done so in the past.
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If they prepare food (breakfast sandwiches, etc) the DOH can apply a lot more regulations than if they just sell beer and toilet paper. The trick is proving the owner is involved, otherwise only the clerk is arrested. On nostrand, a lot of the stores remain closed but the initial charges were pretty thin. The mayor, police comissioner, Ms James and others tried to make it sound as if a few arrests, a handgun, a about a lb of weed justified all of the resources and hoopla. ....hopefully the police will become creative, it would be sad if DOH was the one to have to do something. The good people need help from the policeFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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By the way...the 73rd Pct has been an "Impact" precinct for as long as there's been "Impact" and they still can't get the shootings under control. That place is getting shot up.And that's the way it is.
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ParadeRest » By the way...the 73rd Pct has been an "Impact" precinct for as long as there's been "Impact" and they still can't get the shootings under control. That place is getting shot up.
I'd like to think that their problems are more entrenched than ours (my naïveté is what makes me so appealing). So should we conclude that the police camera towers are simply a nice thing to lean against? ....that the city removes once they get tagged by local graffiti "artists"? Whynot_31 in bubble letters would be awesome, btwFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Those ridiculous Skywatch towers just move the activity to the next corner.And that's the way it is.
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ParadeRest » Those ridiculous Skywatch towers just move the activity to the next corner.
I think you are giving Skywatch too much credit. I perceive them as merely providing shade to those dealing. They are a total joke. We've been part of Project Impact for how many years at this point? At some point we should change tactics. For the mere sake of variety, can we switch to buy and busts? Serve some old warrants? Surely the criminals, the police and the public are ready to do something different for a while. ....we can always do this again later. Did we get Cosgrove II? As the 'hood changes, the locals are slowly changing to folks who will work with the police more. Folks are slowly getting organized, but some creativity wouldn't hurt.... We all know where the businesses are that sell drugs. Neighborhood Watch and cooperating with the police isn't always what is lacking. ...otherwise, folks will just write this off as something that happens at 4 AM and has nothing to do with them, because they are already in bed.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
some kind of boycott on these drug dens is a GREAT idea. is it legal to print flyers detailing the illegal activity that goes on in these places and post them all over franklin ave? i bet that would get some people's attention. put the flyers right next to the offending stores. "THIS IS A DRUG DEN" "THIS BUSINESS SELLS ILLEGAL CIGS; DON'T SUPPORT IT!" etc.
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Its not illegal, however it is unlawful to post signs. Its an Administrative Code violation to post signs. However you may give them out. People need to stand behind and work with their Police to make a difference. Communities that are actively involved in their Community and work with their Police rather than against them often thrive!
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788 Franklin Ave (Northwest corner of Franklin and Lincoln) Owner: 788 Franklin Realty LLC 1164 53rd Street Brooklyn, NY 11219 (or 134 Broadway #77 Brooklyn, NY 11211) 801 Franklin Ave (Northeast corner of Franklin and Lincoln (Shorey's Deli)) Owner: Glenisha Brown 180 Midwood Street Brooklyn, NY 11225 Former Owner (Deceased?): Linton D. Brown 801 Franklin Ave Brooklyn, NY 11216 Lessor: A.O.A. Management, LLC 6704 Wooster Ave Los Angeles, CA 90056 583 Lincoln Place (Former record store w/ ripped awning and broken roll-gate) Tax block/lot: 1252/29 Current Joint Owners (inheritance): Bennie L. Beck (has power of attorney over estate) 1046 Halsey Street Brooklyn, NY Lorraine Beck 101 Pond Hill Road Great Neck, NY Jerome Younger 101 Linden Street, Apt. 4F Brooklyn, NY Jeffrey Younger 583 Lincoln Place Brooklyn, NY Former Owner: Ferris Malloy (deceased?) 583 Lincoln Place Brooklyn, NY 11216
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is it legal to hand out the flyers right in front of the bodegas? or to hand them to people walking into the bodegas?
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There is no legal problem with handing out flyers, unless it poses a health and safety problem--for example, handing them out in the middle of the street. The content of the flyers, however, cannot be defamatory, or the owners of the stores could sue the authors/distributors for defamation. As long as the flyers state the truth, there is no problem. However, I have been thinking about another approach, namely going after the owners of the stores in civil court for nuisance. But, could someone explain to me exactly what the connection is between the violence and the bodegas. What exactly is the conduct of the bodega owners or workers that fosters the violence? Do they have an argument that they too are just victims of drug dealers who have chosen their corners? What proof is there that they are involved in it and what exactly is their involvement?
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More on the Current Tenants of 801 Franklin (aka Shorey's) From NYC ACRIS: A.O.A. Management, LLC 6704 Wooster Ave Los Angeles, CA 90056 From Califonia Secretary of State: Entity Name: AOA MANAGEMENT, LLC Entity Number: 200718410122 Date Filed: 07/03/2007 Status: ACTIVE Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA Entity Address: 1875 CENTURY PARK EAST 6TH FL Entity City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90067 Agent for Service of Process: ADAEZENNAYA AGU Agent Address: 6704 WOOSTER AVE Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90056 6704 Wooster is owned by Ukeje H Agu and Bridget N Agu Check out their Sweet LA digs: http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/6704-Wooster-Ave_Los-Angeles_CA_90056_f3d1dd01 and their zero-asset, zero-income, zero-revenue 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt "Public Housing Facilities" Charity: http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=1264112 and its 2007 IRS Form 990: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/200/242/2007-200242830-03c6f37e-Z.pdf
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photogirl » But, could someone explain to me exactly what the connection is between the violence and the bodegas. What exactly is the conduct of the bodega owners or workers that fosters the violence? Do they have an argument that they too are just victims of drug dealers who have chosen their corners? What proof is there that they are involved in it and what exactly is their involvement?
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if their were actual PROOF, i'd assume the cops would have busted the places by now. it's just kind of common knowledge. actually, i do know that they sell illegal cigs b/c my girlfriend buys them. i have no proof, and neither does anyone on this board. unless someone wants to speak up.
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Does their sale of illegal cigarettes have a connection to the violence? If they were busted for that, or if that was the basis for a civil claim against them, is there any reason to think that this would reduce the violence on these corners. I am asking these questions because legally the owners of these properties do have a responsibility to the neighborhood and could be held liable for fostering an unsafe situation or failing to address one that they know about. But there needs to be a real connection between their conduct and the violence; not just that their location has been chosen by those committing the violence.
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photogirl » Does their sale of illegal cigarettes have a connection to the violence? If they were busted for that, or if that was the basis for a civil claim against them, is there any reason to think that this would reduce the violence on these corners. I am asking these questions because legally the owners of these properties do have a responsibility to the neighborhood and could be held liable for fostering an unsafe situation or failing to address one that they know about. But there needs to be a real connection between their conduct and the violence; not just that their location has been chosen by those committing the violence.
The main connection betw. the bodegas and the criminals is that they're both working 24 hrs a day. Sure the bodega gets plenty of dollars from regular schmoes going to and fro from work or the subway or a night out at Franklin park etc - but there every single day and night - buying cigs, eggs and cheeses, beers, soda, candy, rolling papers, etc. - are the shitload of local dealers and their cronies. The relationship quickly becomes symbiotic. Even the most innocent and law-abiding naif of a new bodega owner will soon learn that these seemingly unemployed young men account for a large percentage of their revenue and will tolerate a lot of hanging out nearby (w/ it's associated dealing) - the occasional shooting or stabbing outside their stores with it's attendant police activity and questions is just an occupational hazard. 24hr police presence and Skywatch, etc. help to move the riff-raff to a less "hot" block - but this problem of dealing and its resulting violence won't go away until the spots where the dealers deal change hands. Perhaps mandatory video cameras on every store front - which the police would regularly review for any evidence of criminal activity - would help. But such a law would be offensive to a lot of people who value civil liberties. -
I agree with Boogieknight. ...and add that the stores will slowly change as the neighborhood changes. I guess I'm lobbying for the opposite approach: I think that avoiding a gross store will not cause them to change. ....it is not like they are dependent on -um- "customers concerned with quality". Instead, I would let them know how much money they could be earning if they improved their store. ....they could also work fewer hours. ....and perhaps avoid mutiple visits from DOH and other agencies re: the health violations, alcohol sales to minors and untaxed cigarettes. Please view the great transformation of the "DisAssociated" on Underhill and St. John's. It has gone from a store that primarily served people hanging out in front at all hours, to one that now serves folks who primarily shop during the day, and seems to prefer fresh fruits to untaxed cigarettes. It now closes at 10, is used to close much, much later (if at all).
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=686290&sid=66cd12947f2bfb01ec16a13cece7308dFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Here is a PDF of the current 801 Franklin/Shorey's Lease The owner (if she cares) might have a cause of action under section 4. But from the lease it sounds like she wants no part and is trying to get rid of the building. The Californians have a 650K purchase option that they can exercise anytime after 3/31/2012. It resets to a 750k strike price on 3/31/2017(see section 31). Them's the facts. Here's my take: The Californians' spread is already locked in and they have little incentive to micromanage a shift from cigarettes to fruit from way out on the west coast. Best case scenario: real estate is recovers a bit in the next 18 months, they exercise the option in March 2012 and try to flip it quickly. New owner. Worst, more shootings and continued DOB violations make the spread on 650K unattractive despite real estate market. They sit on their option until 2017. For the litigious, the owner is well indemnified (see section 14). --- Edit: wrong year for the exercise date. a bit of over-optimism on my part. sry
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so, forget the California owners and hit the present tenants where it hurts: Have "concerned mothers" call the authorities and state that their innocent 18 year olds are being corrupted by the bodega's sales to minors. They might send an inspector to make a buy and bust. http://www.abc.state.ny.us/handbook-for-retail-licenses and/or the bring the matter of the untaxed cigarettes to the attention of our tax starved city. They might send an inspector to look for tax stamps, then levy a fine. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/services/services_fraud_cigarettes.shtml Assuming they actually prepare food (like sandwiches), you can also contact the DOH about any unhealthful conditions and rodent/insect infestations that pose a hazard to public health. The tenants end up in a sitution where they have to prove the inspector didn't see a roach (good luck!) http://home2.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/rii/inspection.shtml ....by doing some or all of these things, you can leave the job of passing out flyers to folks running for office.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Perhaps mandatory video cameras on every store front - which the police would regularly review for any evidence of criminal activity - would help.
THISBut such a law would be offensive to a lot of people who value civil liberties.
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mr. met »
ah, but we already have silly Skywatch. ....the police arguably get a constant video feed. Yet (at best) the activity moves to another block, and (at worst) the thing simply provides shade to those dealing, or something decorate with a Sharpie. For better or worse.... We are not Singapore. We lack cameras; they don't. We listen to our civil libertarians; they don't. We lack enforcement; they don't. We have large marginalized populations; they don't. yada yada yadaPerhaps mandatory video cameras on every store front - which the police would regularly review for any evidence of criminal activity - would help.
THISBut such a law would be offensive to a lot of people who value civil liberties.
these people should analyze the situation...then shut the fuck up.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Subject: S.O.S. Crown Heights Shooting Response THIS WEDNESDAY
FOUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOT ON THE CORNER OF FRANKLIN AVE. & LINCOLN PL. THIS YEAR. The latest victim was shot on August 7th at 3:30am. A shooting response is a peaceful community gathering where a shooting incident took place. The purpose of the response is to express our concern and make a statement that killing is not acceptable in our community. NEXT RESPONSE Location: Lincoln Place & Franklin Avenue Time: 6:30 PM Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 -
The transformation of the bodega on Underhill and St.Johns is an interesting case. It changed after the construction of the Richard Meier building began and cops were stationed on that corner almost 24 hours a day for an entire summer. (And as far as I know, there was never a shooting there; whereas we've had three in four months!) If the apartment building on Franklin and Eastern Parkway gets built, it probably will help to change those corners. But, it seems that the change on Underhill and St. Johns occurred equally because the police targeted that corner and were a relentless presence. Seems to me that we ought to be pushing our local politicians, the police, and all relevant city agencies to target these corners and these businesses. This Impact Zone thing is fine, but these corners seem to be 90% of the problem. Any suggestions about how to get this organized? Tish James was very helpful with "Steve;" perhaps we ought to see if she has any suggestions.
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(there were many shootings on Underhill and St johns between 2003 and 2006). The neighborhood changed. Among other items, the building across the street got a new owner (Alma ...same as the hospital bldgs) and upped it's rents. I'd sit down with CH assn and SOS, and brain storm. ....yup, involve Tish too for extra points have the owners of St Johns Marketplace explain how life got better once they made the leap. "I did it and you can too"For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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NY ain’t the same, it’s OT playa/ You can go and cop coke from the corner bodega. –50 Cent, “Corner Bodega” Isn't this what you all are talking about? Drug dealing done directly out of CH's bodegas. Not illegal cigarettes. Personally, I'm not comfortable referring to specific sites. Sure, a transformation from dingy bodega to wholesome corner store selling $5 packages of gluten-free cookies may have worked on St. John's, but I'm sure the owners consciously choose to take advantage of the area's rampant gentrification. This solution may work when you have hordes of economically-privileged folks moving into an area. Perhaps, there are already enough of these folks moving into the Franklin Ave. area now that all the bodegas can happily convert, but I suspect that a lot are still holding onto their old business model for economic reasons. (Conversion takes investment dollars, for example.) Given that, what are some workable solutions? A boycott sounds good to me, except that I suspect most of their profits come from dealing. Probably, the community is going to have to wait for the cops to move on these fronts, just like what happened on Nostrand in April. Maybe whynot is right that it makes sense to move tax funds into making cases against bodegas owners and away from the Impact Zones. I'm not police, though, so I can't say with any authority.Very un- "sivilized".
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It was alot worse back in the 80s and 90s. We need the national guard to be stationed on all the corners with shoot to kill orders!! That's the only solution. Every thing else is a joke.
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Btw the corner stores are not the problem. It's the police and their neglect policy. Over the years they did nothing. They still don't do nothing. And the result is nothing.
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Everyone seems to agree that it takes a combination of market forces ( which we can't do much about except by boycotting these stores and supporting businesses on Franklin that have a positive impact), and police pressure--which maybe we can do something about. I like Whynot's suggestion of sitting down with CHA, SOS, Tish James, Eric Adams, and maybe the new precinct captain. And maybe there is some way to get the media interested in this--that seemed to get the ball rolling on Steve. Nothing like a little media attention to embarrass the cops into taking action. Maybe there are a lot of corners in NYC in the middle of an Impact Zone that have been the site for three shootings in four months, but I doubt it (and let's hope not). Seems like that angle would be of interest, i.e., is this the best way to spend tax dollars and protect NYers? Anybody with media contacts that might be interested in this?
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spnder » [quote="photogirl"]But, could someone explain to me exactly what the connection is between the violence and the bodegas. What exactly is the conduct of the bodega owners or workers that fosters the violence? Do they have an argument that they too are just victims of drug dealers who have chosen their corners? What proof is there that they are involved in it and what exactly is their involvement?
I'd like to hear more about this too.[/quote] The main connection I have seen is first money. The bodegas take welfare cards and convert them into cash directly or allow people in the know to buy alcohol and smokes with their own or somebody else's welfare/benefits card. It also gives them a place to park open container or beer or other alcohol right near the front of the store..they walk in take a sip or 2 two and head back out to work. There is also 3 or 4 women or all sizes that are selling something inside of cars or near the dumpster and then taking the cash to buy something from the drug dealers on Lincoln and Franklin. People are also able to get joints and loosies fired up by the clerks of the delis as a courtesy.why light up outdoors when you can do it inside and avoid the cost of a lighter and wind. The ability for teens and preteens to walk in and buy beer and tobacco products is also a huge benefit to area residents, why should a welfare mom be burdened with an in person purchase when 1 of her kids can do it for her...If Dutch Boy or Franklin Park took welfare cards the place would be crawling with people trying to redeem the card for a cocktail or 2..as of yet the card's status as legal tender for anything you want only applies at the delis. -
There is also 3 or 4 women or all sizes that are selling something inside of cars or near the dumpster and then taking the cash to buy something from the drug dealers on Lincoln and Franklin.
This may be easier to address than you think. It is often much easier for the police to document charges against a car, and incarcerate it, than it is for them to do the same thing to a person. When a person is found to be doing illegal activities, they often get out of jail quickly. ....cars, on the otherhand, often end up impounded and then sold at auction. So, get the car convicted. Take a picture of the car. Record it's license plate. Record the type of activities it is engaging in. ...pass this information on to the police. If you are able to get the police involved they can cite it for not having a invalid registration, for having a broken tail light, for being parked in a no parking zone, etc. ...sometimes they get extra "presents" inside the car: * The always nearby, but often elusive, handgun. * The stash that supplies the dealers so they are are always carrying less than dealer weight, etc. Even the Newbies stuck working Impact have the skills to do this. [there is no need to have a precious Detective work inconvenient hours on a silly drug case]. ....this is about creativity. Although some may feel that the "Battle of Underhill and St. John's" was an easy win, others remember years of struggle: a. Black tar was cleverly placed on a cable box where the kids sat and drank 40s all night. b. The owners of the store were convinced that their business was dropping off as the neighborhood changed, and people came into the store and purposely asked for high profit items they did not carry ...then left without buying anything. c. Permits to the St John's "block parties" that ended at 2 AM (occasionally in gun fire and/or murder) were finally denied when they were shown to actually be concerts promoted throughout Brooklyn. d. Locals called the police over and over on people hanging out drinking and selling drugs. e. etc, etc. .....Franklin Avenue has the same amount of work ahead of it. The transformation will not be quick or easy. P.S. I took the pictures of the store on St. John's because the transformation was so stark ....needless to say, a store could undergo a smaller transformation and still reflect its changing neighborhood. It could merely stock Minute Maid OJ, as opposed to Sunny Delight.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Has anyone thought about approaching our representatives to change the laws regarding EBT cards? A useful change in policy would be something along the lines of bodegas not being allowed to accept EBT cards if a full service grocery store is within a certain distance (say 1/4 of a mile) of the bodega in question. On Franklin we already have 3 full service gorcery stores (Associated @ Carroll; Pioneer @ Union; Tony's place @ Lincoln). These stores have technology in place that automatically differentiate between EBT eligible purchases and if I'm not mistaken, they do not sell smokes, beer, or any other substances that contribute to "vice". I think exemptions could be provided for stores like Yoon's and that place at St. Johns.
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Ishtar » Has anyone thought about approaching our representatives to change the laws regarding EBT cards? A useful change in policy would be something along the lines of bodegas not being allowed to accept EBT cards if a full service grocery store is within a certain distance (say 1/4 of a mile) of the bodega in question. On Franklin we already have 3 full service gorcery stores (Associated @ Carroll; Pioneer @ Union; Tony's place @ Lincoln). These stores have technology in place that automatically differentiate between EBT eligible purchases and if I'm not mistaken, they do not sell smokes, beer, or any other substances that contribute to "vice". I think exemptions could be provided for stores like Yoon's and that place at St. Johns.
this would take too long. Bodega's have lobbyists that would prevent this from occuring. ....besides, many Bodega's provide a convenient 24 hours service that grocery stores do not. ....not all of them are scummy. Most are even assets to the community.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
whynot_31 » this would take too long.
If people really want sustained change, work has to be done on multiple fronts and that includes changes in public policy. Bodegas do NOT need to accept EBT cards if they do not have the proper technology in place to prevent illegal purchases like grocery stores do. -
Ishtar » [quote="whynot_31"]this would take too long.
If people really want sustained change, work has to be done on multiple fronts and that includes changes in public policy. Bodegas do NOT need to accept EBT cards if they do not have the proper technology in place to prevent illegal purchases like grocery stores do.[/quote] Good luck. The present effort by HRA and the nonprofits of NYC is to get as many people on Food Stamps as possible, because it is federal money. ....this involves convincing more stores to accept the benefits, so the recipients will see it as worth their while. . Please realize that most people are not selling their benefits for drugs and cigarettes, but -yes- there are some really visible ones who do. And really visible stores that make it happen. (as long as there are benefits to be sold, there will be people buying them and selling them). ....but NYC does go after the fraudalent stores pretty regularly. The feds get annoyed when they don't..... It usually isn't a question of technology: "I'll ring you up for $15 in food, but give you $10 worth of cigarettes. ....and we'll call it even ok?"For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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