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    1. whynot_31
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      Crow Hill Jewelry,
      The post you quote was not posted by mamacita. It was posted by Krowonhill.

      Mamacita's post seemed to state now that you have offered to have people meet with you, you should sit back.

      Krowonhill is the poster who believed somehow people would be traumatized by meeting with someone who did not give in to them.

      .....by the way, the Stacy that posted above is not the same Stacy in CHCA. They are different.

      Stacy has a good point though ....try not to sink to name calling. There are people out there who will NEVER like your business. Listen to thier concerns, but don't sink to namecalling

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    2. mr. met
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      Crow Hill Jewelry. Several of your posts above violate the rules of this website (see below).

      If this happens again your posts will be deleted, and you may be banned from the site.

      haha

      what a joke

      is it against the rules of the board to baselessly suggest that someone in the community is physically violent and proactively involved in fencing stolen goods (AKA a criminal)?

      You make no sense

      read his posts, stacey. obviously he's not used to talking to people in this medium. since everyone is so highly evolved, why don't you all stop needling and engaging him? and if you can't understand why he would be defensive from the outset, i suggest reading the title of this thread.

      bunch of uppity know-it-alls.

    3. stacey
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      Listen Mr. Met - in no way did I do anything but ask him to clarify what he was saying - I have a problem when people come on to this site and talk shit about people who were not involved -
      So I guess when you do it to MHA its ok but when others do it its not okay.
      Calling me uppity - I think you need to get a grip. I am done here. Anything else you have to say to me we can take it to a PM.
      Enjoy your holidays

    4. mr. met
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      So I guess when you do it to MHA its ok but when others do it its not okay

      i'll just respond by saying that i do it when he is involved in the thread and "to his face."

      I am done here.

      i'll follow your lead, and i hope others do the same.

      happy holidays to you too.

    5. bentley
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      This thread just convinced me to bring my jewelry and electronics to another location.

    6. urbanexplorer
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    7. catwalkertexasranger
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      Jewelry dude do yourself a favor..sell tshirts donate the money. Keep cusomers aware of special things happening at your shop. Pat yourself on the back from time to time when you give some scatch for a parade,church,school or needy group. Getting into how to spot a fake ID or wording on a sign is silly. Some people don't want your shop even if you are MLK grandson.leave it at that. The majority of people wish your shop was a place that we could frequent for products and services that we often use. Because you have low foot traffic and have decidied on an off the high street location we have to come in to see your wares.No big window display with 500 dollar Rolexes. If after some vodka and sushi or coffee and fried chicken or soon some Mexican food. If I get an urge for a gold necklace or hifi upgrade I will stroll or stumble in. I look forward to seeing your tshirts at the local bars. I egarly await the heated exchange that they will bring. I hope the shots they generate are whiskey and not the bullet type. I still hate your fucking mural but I wil get over it.

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      Brightside

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      Hey snowboardqueen....I am respinding to this comment....
      "The artist is most certainly talented.., but naive.., I dare say NOT.

      The mural is controversial and a slap in the face to any working class - poor person in the community who has struggled to rise above the stereotypes of living in the "ghetto" as they try to eek out a decent and respectful way of just merely surviving.

      The "bling" and wads of cash in the mural is a reality - abet a tacky reality - that most in community will never see by "any means".

      And it re-enforces stereo-types of "ghetto dwellers" tacky taste if they ever did acquire any sort of wealth or material gains.

      So stop feigning naiveness Mr. Artist. The only thing you left out was the Watermelons and Fried chicken.

      You may be talented.., but you are also a Tasteless Opportunist - so man up and claim your crown."

      You say he is a "Tasteless Opportunist. Why don't you just tell him on Facebook personally, you did friend his personal page after all. Was that just a way to keep tabs on his personal life? Better yet why don't you ask Jamie's good friend Bevin about him before making such statements.You both are friends with him anyway..Thank you

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      Brightside

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      Every single person on this earth is a hypocrite in some way or another. It's just those who have fear who can't admit it.

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      Brightside

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      I wonder what drunk person from the community called and left harrassing voicemails on the artists phone. Slurring, making no sense, calling him "Mr. Artst" saying that he sold his soul to the devil...oh yeah and that he is exploiting children...next leave a return number

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      Oh and one more thing...Those voicemails make for great audio tracks on a video clip!! Thanks! We will put them to good use!

    12. mha
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      Booklaw and other moderators, please don't ban Crow Hill Jewelry from posting. I so enjoy the ill manners, the bad grammar, the stilted logic, and the untruth. Let's deal with the untruth first:

      Crow Hill Jewelry did NOT give money to the Crow Hill Community Association. The proprietor attempted to STIFLE discourse by 'donating' money to another proprietor who happened to also take issue with the emerging existence of the pawnshop.

      The Bad grammar: It speaks for itself. Capital letters please! Grammar! C'mon!

      Stilted logic: 'I really like this community, so let me call my would-be customers 'yuppy scumbags,' esentially...

      Brightside's own argument is equally stultifying. Let me get this straight, because some dude in the past scrawled babies on a masthead, that makes your similar scrawl something to appreciate? That makes those of us who don't appreciate it 'uneducated'?

      Mr. Met's and Spoolie's argument, and whynot's spineless position are all couched on this notion that to not want the business in that spot is to somehow be anti-capitalist, yet at the same time none of them hold that position when it comes to the zillions of bodegas that are on Franklin Avenue. All dismiss the bodegas as businesses which are all fronts for illegal activity, while this -- ostensible jewelry-slash-electronic store (and where will this jewelry be displayed??) isn't equally dismissed as such.

      So to sum up, here is this guy who opens up a business where he dodges the Department of buildings to do the construction;(STRIKE ONE)he then opens up a business that IS illegal for the area where he puts it; (STRIKE TWO) and then when he becomes aware that that there is community dissent about it he makes attempt to silence that legitimate protest by buying off people whom he mistakenly thinks are part of the Crow Hill Community Association(STRIKE THREE).

      So when these things are mentioned to those who favor this guy's 'right' to open up his business NOTHING is said in response. NOTHING. I have yet to read Whynot stating anything about the illegality of all of this, or at least the immorality of it. What of the illegal work done? What of the zoning issue? What, did he buy you guys off too?

      What has DISTRACTED discourse is ad hominem and white male arrogance about 'tolerating' me and 'taking [me] seriously'. My own absence from the thread was to ensure that the debate could continue without the rabble of the whynots, the mr. mets and the spoolies -- and now the crow hill jewelry-types. I happen to LOVE the fact that the proprietor has joined the fray. With each bray he commits to the blog my faith in free speech grows.

      Bray on, Crow Hill Jewelry dude! "Hee Haw!" (LOL)

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$ $$$$
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$

      The above is a 'Leyendecker', by the way...

    13. whynot_31
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      MHA, I seek your permission to PM you.

      ....although you may dislike the source, you may like some of my ideas.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    14. whynot_31
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      Returning to the topic at hand, at no point have I said that I like the business, or want it in the community.

      In fact, (and in my traditional wordy, repetitive, typo ridden fashion), I have instead stated that there are bigger, and better fish to fry.

      In fact, although I initally thought the protest in April was misguided, I was FOR the protesters when I later discovered (along with CHCA) that the business was being opened in a non-compliant zone.

      ....I am glad this stage of the CHCA's protest was successful, and that it has been successful in bringing him into compliance with the law.

      However (you are correct) now that he is in compliance, I feel no obligation to protest his business, or those operated by the landlord.

      As I have stated elsewhere, I do not believe that I will ever live in a community where I find all of the businesses to be of my liking or morals.

      ....I would -however- be quite psyched if I could live in a community wherein the businesses complied with the existing laws. I will join in actions that have this as a goal.

      As to STRIKES 2 and 3.
      Construction does not always require a permit, and I have no idea if he did the type of construction that required a permit. I hope that such matters were thoroughly investigated by the DOB in response to community complaints.

      Paying a sum of money to facilitate a transaction (or cooperation, or silience) is commonplace, and I know of no law that prohibits it. I assume any exchange of funds (or lack of exchange) was consensual. If he paid someone who was not a member of CHCA for CHCA's silence, I gotta hope the transaction was in cash and the person was only in town for the weekend.

      BTW, if the members of the CHCA and the readers of various blogs were the target market of this business, I completely agree: Those opposed to this business could and should simply give him the "virtual microphone" of free speech and watch him self destruct.

      Public relations is clearly not his forte.

      In fact, it has become clear that this owner does not give a shit about what the members of CHCA and others against his business think of it, or him.

      ...this is because he seems to have concluded that the future customers of his business are not us, or he beleives that there are enough of "us" who do not care whether a business is "community oriented" and we will still do business with him.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    15. booklaw
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      MHA, if CHJ continues to flout the rules, appropriate action will be taken. Otherwise, he can bray as long as he likes.

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      Brightside

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      Have YOU made the landlord an offer to buy the space and open up a Starbucks? What do you want people to tell you ?

    17. crow hill jewelry
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      MHA Reading all your post you not the sharpest pencil in the draw you need a lot of help my friend I believe have or more people don’t even read what you have say that the sad part happy holiday

    18. crow hill jewelry
      CROW HILL JEWELRY

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      don’t lie you love my mural it’s the best thing crown heights has seen for wile wait till you see my next one I still have a lot of space on that wall you will love
      And do stop buy and say hello we are very friendly people

    19. crow hill jewelry
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      you right

    20. crow hill jewelry
      CROW HILL JEWELRY

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      my next mural will be much better and will focus on people livening in crow hill not crown heights soon to come my artist Jami heft is working on it should be ready soon

    21. urbanexplorer
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      That's a sound business investment, Jami now that you are famous make sure you over charge for your services accordingly. The amount of press your next piece will receive is going to be priceless.

      You should order 5,000 baby bling t-shirts, you are grossly underestimating their demand by the community.

      I could barely walk down the block with amount of customers you have lining up outside your door. Continued success in the new year.

    22. urbanexplorer
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      This past weekend a 1'x2' Roland amplifier was stolen from one of my neighbors on the first floor of my building. You wouldn't just happen to have one is stock to replace it would you?

    23. whynot_31
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      urbanexplorer, check your PM box. ....but no offense taken if you are not interested.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    24. crow hill jewelry
      CROW HILL JEWELRY

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      Roland amplifier if one should show up you will be the frist person i will let know

    25. crow hill jewelry
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      steel man did your parents teach you if you have nothing nice to say you should keep the steel over your mouth it might help you in the long run

    26. mha
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      Notice, good people, he doesn't deny it.

      Booklaw, don't go 'all NPR' on CHJ. Be 'tolerant' of his flouting the rules of this universe as well as the rules of the English language. I know he is hard to 'tolerate', and to 'take seriously', but, please do it for the giggles...

      As long as he doesn't start talking about Muslims redeeming electronics and gold, we should be alright.

      CHJ, you talk pretty some time?

    27. crow hill jewelry
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      MHA
      I DONT KNOW WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE I AM SURE YOU WANTED TO BE A WRITER AD IT SEEMS YOU NEVER MADE IT MOST OF YOUR STUFF IS BS I am sure when you write you are the biggest joke to this community and I am 100% sure that most people are sick of reading your non-sense and stupidity so do us a favor stop posting adds

    28. mha
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      Oh this is wonderful. This is good stuff CHJ! Please, more, more, please! You do 'talk pretty some time'!

    29. crow hill jewelry
      CROW HILL JEWELRY

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      Sorry to tell you I have better things to do with my time then write BS all day
      Enjoy your day
      Happy holiday
      If you have anything you want to sell don’t be shy we pay top dollar

    30. mha
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      Okay, see you in 5 minutes. I have an electronic dictionary you can have.

    31. booklaw
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      Mod Note:

      We are about 5 figurative minutes away from closing this thread, due to the decreased level of civility here. Too many people baiting CHJ, and too much incivility in CHJ's responses.

      CHJ, I remind you of what I wrote earlier... resist the temptation to get nasty... or you will no longer have the opportunity to do so.

    32. whynot_31
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      While MHA and Crow Hill Jewelry are a bonding
      and the mods consider a mod-ing,

      Whynot is a stirring.

      For all the whos in whoville

      I thought I would share this photo taken earlier today.

      ...to denote just how far, this conversation may be going astray.

      Twas a scary scene indeed.

      OMG! A neighborhood so rough that I was afraid to take out my camera for this screed.

      Yes, the thieves of the Financial District they abound

      When I think hard-core crime, this is ground!

      Crack heads be everywhere in their suits and their ties.

      and folks like whynot taking pictures on the fly....

      (my apologies to the late Dr Seuss)

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    33. mr. met
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      MHA
      I DONT KNOW WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE I AM SURE YOU WANTED TO BE A WRITER AD IT SEEMS YOU NEVER MADE IT MOST OF YOUR STUFF IS BS

      hahahaha

      Be 'tolerant' of his flouting the rules of this universe as well as the rules of the English language. I know he is hard to 'tolerate', and to 'take seriously', but, please do it for the giggles...

      get over it! you are INTOLERABLE.

    34. brownstoneowner
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      CHJ,

      Just sent you a PM. Please check.

    35. mha
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      Okay, no more baiting from me. I want this to last a long time. I am certainly guilty of that here.

    36. whynot_31
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      I also want this to last a long time.

      ....if we can, let's put aside the fact that the owner of this business dislikes the segment of the community that successfully prevented him from opening a pawn shop.

      Let's put aside any positive or negative feelings we may have about the mural.

      (try, readers, try!)

      How much control should local communities have over their local community?

      As it spruces up the surroundings and brings new businesses to Franklin Avenue, should CHCA also gain the "right" to determine which businesses find it attractive and choose to open up shop?

      ....or should such authority remain with the city council via the DOB and Department of City Planning?

      Why or whynot?

      [note: I would like to avoid a discussion as to whether CHCA has the "right" to protest the business or the landlord. ...I strongly believe it has the right]

      [note: I would like to avoid a discussion as to whether the landlord has the "right" to rent to whomever s/he chooses ...I strongly believe s/he he has that right]

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    37. whynot_31
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      Hey, I just got very timely mail!

      Greetings Everyone,

      Please join us
      this Tuesday 12/21 at 7:30
      at our December meeting
      (LaunchPad 721 Franklin Avenue)
      and celebrate the Holiday Season with us

      We will be taking nominations for the 2011 Board of Directors.
      Only current members may participate in the nomination/election process.
      You are welcome to fill out an application and join on Tuesday ($30/household, $125/merchants).
      To serve on the Board of Directors, one must be a member and have been active in the Association for a year.

      Refreshments will be served

      --
      stay up to date, visit our:
      website - http://www.crowhillcommunity.org
      facebook page - http://tinyurl.com/op5l5o
      blog - http://chcabklyn.blogspot.com/

      Crow Hill Community Association
      790 Washington Avenue, Ste #208
      Brooklyn, NY 11238
      718-228-7928

      if you wish to be removed from our list, please hit reply and put "remove" in the subject line

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    38. mr. met
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      Okay, no more race baiting from me. I want this to last a long time. I am certainly guilty of that here.

      fixed

    39. mha
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      Must we start this? Seriously, must we? So you take something I say, intentionally alter it, and for what purpose, to give the impression I said something I did not say...

      Ah well, I guess I can be tolerant of it. I guess you perceive me as one who is engages in 'race baiting' whatever that is... Cool. That's how discourse is maligned. As I've said in other posts, ad hominem is the tool of those who DON'T want discourse.., You engage in it a great deal, mr. met.

    40. crow hill jewelry
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      i would like to join and be a merchants member and bring in a check is that ok even duo i am not wanted in the community

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      That's how discourse is maligned. As I've said in other posts, ad hominem is the tool of those who DON'T want discourse.., You engage in it a great deal, mr. met.

      http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

    42. whynot_31
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      crow hill jewelry » i would like to join and be a merchants member and bring in a check is that ok even duo i am not wanted in the community

      See you there.

      I think it would be good for you to join, and perhaps you will realize that not everyone in Crow Hill is trying to get rid of you, especially now that you appear to be complaint with local laws and regulations.

      As per http://www.crowhillcommunity.org/mission.shtml, the organization's
      mission is:

      "The mission of Crow Hill Community Association is to provide leadership, guidance and assistance to the residents and merchants working collectively to resolve issues facing our community."

      The organization's accomplishments include:

      Over the years we have:

      Partnered with police for a safer Franklin Avenue.
      Made the sidewalks pedestrian friendly by commissioning curb cuts for seniors and strollers.
      Championed for cleaner water by changing sewer lines.
      Planted dozens of trees and planter boxes along Franklin Avenue for a greener environment.
      Petitioned for historic street light posts along Franklin Avenue.
      Coordinated financing to upgrade storefronts and security gates.
      CHCA is a small, nonprofit, self-help organization comprised of residents and merchants living and working in the Crow Hill area of Crown Heights, Brooklyn. The organization has great aspirations and has made a major difference in promoting the development of Crow Hill with a focus on Franklin Avenue between Eastern Parkway and Atlantic Avenue. The group has a wealth of creative ideas with which to invigorate this vital community, and is committed to rebuild Crow Hill with integrity, commitment, and quality.

      As a non profit organization, CHCA has no political alliances nor does CHCA make political endorsements. CHCA does work in cooperation with all of our elected officials.

      As CHCA moves towards our goal of improving the community, from time to time, we invite our representatives to meetings in an effort to provide a forum for our members to voice their concerns.

      Your business, like all of the legal business on the avenue, likely has no problems with its accomplishments or its mission.

      I believe a diverse association should welcome all members who agree with its overall mission, even those who do not agree with specific goals or tactics. There will be some things everyone agrees on, and some we don't.

      Afterall, there is no rule that we have to like each other to coexist.

      ...but I do look forward to hearing about whether the leadership is receptive to your membership application.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    43. snowboardqueen
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      ...but I do look forward to hearing about whether the leadership is receptive to your membership application.

      Does a Merchant Assoc. have to accept all legal merchants in their district?

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    44. eastbloc
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      What has DISTRACTED discourse is ad hominem and white male arrogance about 'tolerating' me and 'taking [me] seriously'.

      I'm confused by this. Why does his arrogance have a color and a gender?

    45. catwalkertexasranger
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      Reading that list of things that CHCA has done from clean water, trees and "upgraded" store fronts...omfg. Dismal failure if that was your goal. Walking from Atlantic toward Eastern there are lots of empties,absolutely none with upgraded anything. The curb cuts were done to comply with a federal lawsuit files by dozens of organizations for ADA rules. No group of pro stroller advocates was part of any suit. The jewelry guy going to a holiday get together w a check in hand is a recipe for disaster. Read what they believe has happened and you can see that most of the CHCA is living in some type of dream. Cleaner water..I mean really. And please show me which non-advoctaed wheelchair/walker curbs are not modified. Total and complete BS.

    46. mr. met
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      I'm confused by this. Why does his arrogance have a color and a gender?

      This should be good.

      While you're at it, please go into how you deduced that i'm a white male. Show me the inner workings of your brilliant mind.

    47. whynot_31
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      I think we have a good three conversations going on at the moment.

      1. Posters who perceive that whenever someone disagrees with MHA, he pretty quickly attributes it to their race.

      2. Posters who think CHCA is overstating their accomplishments on their webpage.

      3. Posters who wonder about the proper role of a community organization such as CHCA.

      I will attempt to only address only #3.

      whynot to Jeweler » ...but I do look forward to hearing about whether the leadership is receptive to your membership application.

      snowboardqueen » Does a Merchant Assoc. have to accept all legal merchants in their district?

      I think we need to be careful not to confuse terms.

      In my understanding, NYC has city recognized Business Improvement Districts and these are authorized by the city to charge fees to every business located in their zone for the services that they provide. In this sense, businesses and the BID have no choice, they have to "join" even if that means simply an exchange of $.

      CHCA is not a BID. As such, participation by businesses is completely voluntary. I has no official "zone or district"

      That said, I'll take a (non-lawyer) crack at answering your question. Although is an essentially a private organization, it could easily be argued that CHCA is in the business of providing a public accommodation.

      http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/more-civil-rights-topics/public-accommodation-civil-rights-more/

      As such, if the need arose, the organization would need to be ready to prove that it did not deny its services to an entity based on one of NYC's protected criteria (race, gender, religion, etc). The NYC Division of Human Rights investigates such complaints.

      Unlike a BID or a community district (such as CD 8), the organization has no formal authority granted to it by the city, and is likely not regulated like such entities.

      The organization is simply a group of people who wish to advance the neighborhood. To my knowledge, it is free to define what "advancing the neighborhood" means and work on its own goals. ....I suppose this could take the form of denying membership to a legal organization within the area.

      Can CHCA deny a legal business the right to join?

      I guess so, but would seem to me like a really short-sighted move, and would undermine my perception that it has tried very hard to include as many people, with as many viewpoints, as possible.

      As a result of having no outside funding or regulatory authority, this organization exists largely as a result of people's willingness to support it.

      ....If they were to deny Jewelry store membership, I would perceive it as being similar to them denying me membership, simply on the basis that I disagree with them regarding whether "protesting all businesses who rent from the landlord" is the best use of their resources.

      A healthy democracy is full of conflict.

      A healthy democracy contains some people and entities that others perceive as a pain in the ass, even though their only offense is disagreeing with them.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    48. snowboardqueen
      SnowboardQueen

      getting it
      Joined: Jan '09
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      whynot_31 - thank you for taking the time to break down the difference between a BID and a community organization and for your valuable input!

      snowboarding, photography, films, art, counter culture, alternative
    49. whynot_31
      whynot_31

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      Joined: Mar '06
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      you are welcome. I'm glad you were able to get thru the typos and missing words.

      However, I hope that tonight's meeting actually has nothing to do with the Jewelry and Electronics store.

      I hope the leadership gracefully moves the organization on to more pressing issues. I am certainly not bringing the issue of the Jewelry and Electronics store.

      BTW, I'll be coming right from work and will likely be only guy wearing a light purple dress shirt. Feel free to stop by and say Hi.

      I hope there are holiday cookies.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    50. tsarina
      tsarina

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