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Is anyone familiar w this street between Rogers and Nostrand? I recently found a potential place for myself but I was curious if people from the area knew the street and had comments concerning it? Thanks!
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For the heck of it, I have assumed you are about to sign a lease for a 800 sq ft, unrenovated apartment for $1800 a month.
That block is mostly tenements, so it may be loud, especially in the summer.
If you want to minimize noise, look for an apartment that rents for the same amount, on a block that has a mixture of brownstones and tenements.
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Why not could u please stop it! What do u mean by tenements and loud ! Once again here we go with the class struggle
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As more people occupy a given size space, I believe the noise increases.
...regardless of their social class.
People often do not prefer (and are not willing to pay as much) living on a block of tenements because more people occupy the space.
This density, among other things, causes noise.
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I wish I could really believe u on that one. So New York City is very very noisy then since we are jammed back with people. Not just St. John's between Rogers and Nostrand ave where the ten aments are. I wonder how those people on that block would view those comments ?
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Ah, but some parts of NYC are quieter than others.
If you don't like noise, other things you want to avoid are bus routes, and new buildings.
New buildings tend to have very thin, sheet rock walls, as opposed to sturdy brick ones.
...as to the opinion of the people who live on that block re: my comments, I imagine that they perceive themselves as living in the best apartment that they can afford, and know that there is a close coorelation between rent AND things like noise, crime, proximity to Manhattan, and proximity to parks.
...at least I hope they are.
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chloeroyale said:
Why not could u please stop it! What do u mean by tenements and loud ! Once again here we go with the class struggleConfused -- have you ever lived in/near a tenement? Do you know of any that aren't loud? They're built as affordable housing, so they're built cheaply (extremely thin walls), and are meant to house a lot of people. So lots of people + thin walls = not loud?
This isn't a class/race thing. I'm one of the few white folks on my block, and it's very, very quiet and peaceful. So I'm pretty sure whynot wasn't "going there."
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St. Johns between Nostrand and Rogers is particularly loud. If the building number is near the very low 800s you will be dealing with extremely loud neighbors during any warm months. There is a specific extended family unit that sits outside when it is remotely warm. Nothing wrong with that of course, but this specific group are extremely loud and employ extremely poor conflict resolution techniques.
Across the street from this specific stoop is a dog that barks almost incessantly. He barks a LOT at the family on the stoop when they are yelling at each other. He also barks when stray cats wander by or when groups of kids come by and "bark" at him. He also likes to bark at 2am for extended periods for unknown reasons.
Personally, unless you work nights or have a really high tolerance for overhearing other people's bulls**t I would keep looking. If the building is much closer to Rogers it might be ok. Feel free to message me directly for more info. For what it's worth, it's not every building, or even the tenements as a whole but this specific group of people that make me say this.
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I imagine the landlord/owner is trying really hard to get tenants in before the warm weather starts up. For now the street is pretty quiet. Maybe you can argue the rent down if the owner is really desperate and you think you can handle it.
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This is really great info! Thanks guys. I should have been more clear, its my mistake. I am looking into buying the 3 family. I've read a lot about Franklin and want to get involved in the community if I move there. But I wasn;t sure if this is considered part of that area.
The building was very unimpressive and looked like it needed some work. Overall is wasnt well maintained and the people living there had tons of stuff in their hallways.
What area in CH would you say would be best. I am married, have a baby on the way and we want a multi family. I work very close by and that is a HUGE motivation for moving. Thanks!
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Wow the group is loud with poor conflict resolution and that's not about class. Ok if u say so! And please don't speak for why not he can speak for himself and he is clear in his thinking when he says tenements and loud. Maybe y'all should not move on that block at all. Just exclude it from your options. Exclusion works really well
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GMuny-
I suspect you already are aware of this, but you definately want to have an engineer look at the building.As a result of the prior economics of the neighborhood, many landlords (even those that lived in 3 family units), were unable to maintain their properties. This means that
plumbing, boiler and electrical may be close to "original". Such things are not only expensive, but very time consuming to fix.Re: The tenants. As you are likely aware, they are not covered by rent stabilization rules as result of being in a building of less than 6 units. The asking price is probably set with assumption that the new owner will renew leases for market rates. Once their leases expire, you have a good deal of flexibility re: how you fill the units.
This web site has been doing a pretty job at covering sales of single and multi family homes, located between Washington and New York Ave:
http://bktothefullest.blogspot.com/
While it is written by a realtor, it does provides you with a degree of information re: the the going rates, and how quickly properties are turning over in CH and other rapidly changing areas.
As I am sure others have told you, being a landlord is not for the faint of heart.
I'm not sure I could do it.
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Trust me why not u could not do it!!
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When I worked as part of an organization which provided housing to low income folks, I (along with my peers) were the landlords.
We always scored really high on our evaluations from HUD, HPD, DOB and the residents.
...but I wouldn't be interested in living where I work. I live to keep those seperate.
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The key word there was when you worked for an organization u were landlords you were not an individual owner you worked on behalf of a group were you the deed holder?
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Right.
So, I am willing to be a landlord, but not an owner in an owner occupied setting.
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There is a big difference in you last statement. An for even more clarity a landlord is a deed holder weather they live there or not. Thank u why not we have a of people whoa act on behalf of landlords they collect rent, make sure repairs are done, do lease prep etc.
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The deed can be a llc or a indivisible owner
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I think I would be willing to be a Managing Agent; they get to go home.
..but not a live in super.
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Wow the group is loud with poor conflict resolution and that's not about class. Ok if u say so! ... Maybe y'all should not move on that block at all. Just exclude it from your options. Exclusion works really well
Chloe, you're probably right that yelling at and threatening each other till all hours of the night isn't so classy. I also agree with you completely that excluding a street as an option is a really good idea if you know it's going to make you crazy. The OP has a small baby on the way. If s/he is kept up by yelling neighbors and a barking dog his/her quality of life will stink. That's exactly why I responded in the first place. As a landlord yourself I'm sure you appreciate tenants who aren't miserable and subsequently complain a lot.
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Thanks everyone for all the insight
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Do let us know if you buy it!
GMunyHuny said:
This is really great info! Thanks guys. I should have been more clear, its my mistake. I am looking into buying the 3 family. I've read a lot about Franklin and want to get involved in the community if I move there. But I wasn;t sure if this is considered part of that area.The building was very unimpressive and looked like it needed some work. Overall is wasnt well maintained and the people living there had tons of stuff in their hallways.
What area in CH would you say would be best. I am married, have a baby on the way and we want a multi family. I work very close by and that is a HUGE motivation for moving. Thanks!
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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