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    1. whynot_31
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      While the Daily News was the first to run stories in advance of the 2012 parade, the NYT has now begun its coverage: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/nyregion/racist-posts-tied-to-west-indian-parade-bring-police-dept-discipline.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytmetro&seid=auto

      Let the 2012 media frenzy begin!

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    2. whynot_31
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      One of the many events not sponsored by WIADCA, that will likely have not gun fire:

      http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Attend-Our-FREE-Pre-Labor-Day-Senior-Concert-.html?soid=1102557709761&aid=ZNduztmsaus

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    3. ilovefranklinave
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      Don't forget tomorrow's kickoff: http://ilovefranklinave.blogspot.com/2012/08/carnival-kicks-off-tomorrow.html

      Also, wanted to re-post this (whynot found it last year and posted it, but if it was already posted here I missed it): https://www.facebook.com/notes/onya-west/labor-day-carnival-as-the-ultimate-anti-violence-campaign/10150303891625956

      Love the points she makes about how this has to be a 365-day-a-year project (echoes lots of what folks here have said, too).

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      Note to readers: Onya West is the figurehead of the NY SOCA Association, the group that represents many of the aforementioned sparkly women in the WIADCA. If you are a reporter reading this thread, she is a good person to ask about the inner and outer turmoil faced by WIADCA.

      Staying on topic: To what extent must the organization focus on activities like "nonviolence", when it is composed largely of disparate volunteers operating out of storefront?

      Shouldn't Ms West get to focus on the things enjoys? ....getting the hundreds of women who excercise with her year round as part of Soca Motion to be motivated, in shape and confident enough to wear barely nothing on the big day: a massive parade.

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    5. whynot_31
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      edit: Shouldn't Ms West get to focus on the things she enjoys?

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    6. whynot_31
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      homeowner said:
      Yep, that's exactly what that means.

      This comment caused me to do a little digging on how they spend their budget, and where the money comes from.

      For answers, please do the following:

      The West Indian Day Carnival Association is a NYS recognized charity follow this link
      to get to their info on the Attorney's General's website.

      Then, click on Annual Filing for Charitable Organizations, 2010.

      Proceed to page 27.

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    7. whynot_31
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      Daily News » One idiot with a gun can ruin any party, even day-long festivities for three million guests.

      But organizers of next week’s West Indian American carnival parade along Brooklyn’s Eastern Parkway say they are eternally frustrated by local news media who blame any Labor Day violence in the borough on their celebration.

      “You have statements like the carnival was very colorful, with beautiful weather and a large crowd, but it was marred by three murders, then you look at the murders and there was one in the Bronx, one in Queens, one in Yonkers,” said West Indian American Day Carnival Association President Thomas Bailey.

      “Now, while there is no carnival, you still have murders in these five boroughs. But we have to hear it (the carnival) was marred by (murders), when none of them are carnival-related. This is the abuse we have to sustain, and it is unfair.

      “Surely three million people would not come out to an event if they thought it was unsafe. Everything that happens in Brooklyn on Labor Day we are held responsible for it,” said WIADCA Treasurer Angela Sealy. “How many murders are happening in the city right now, in Brooklyn, in the Bronx, all over, when there is no parade? But if it happens on Labor Day it’s because of the parade. That’s not right.”

      Last year, after Denise Gay, 56, was killed by a shot in the head while she sat on her 633 Park Place stoop in Crown Heights, published reports quoted family members as detailing her fear of the West Indian Day Parade. Eastern Parkway is four blocks south of Park Place.

      Police later determined that Gay may have been shot by police as they fired at a man, Leroy Webster, who was Gay’s neighbor, after Webster shot another man, Randy Johnson, to death on Gay’s block.

      It was unclear if either man involved in the shooting had been celebrating on Eastern Parkway. In October, 2011 Gay’s family announced a $10 million suit against the city for her wrongful death.

      “Last year, that lady was shot in front of her house, not on the Parkway,” Sealy said. “But the media associated that there was someone from the parade who went down there and did that.

      “We can’t control that,” Sealy said. “We are responsible for the Parkway, and the police said anything criminal that happens on the Parkway is a police matter.”

      Carnival is an economic boon to the city, organizers said, and a chance for Caribbean people to celebrate their heritage with their families, friends, countrymen and other Caribbean nationals.

      Finding friends amongst the throng is no problem - over the years nationals from each country have created a system of meeting on particular Eastern Parkway corners each year. Trinidadians — carnival originated in Trinidad — meet at the gas station at the corner of Bedford Ave., as well as at Rogers, New York and Utica Aves. Bahamians find each other at Brooklyn Ave., Guyanese at Nostrand Ave. and Haitians at Franklin Ave.
      “Culture is a very strong thing,” said WIADCA Secretary Jean Alexander. “Carnival is so important to us. I think sometimes if someone cuts me little costumes would run out with my blood.”

      “At carnival, you can see how many young people are learning their Caribbean heritage,” said WIADCA First Vice President William Holland. “They get to see the culture of their parents’ homeland and keep it going.”

      An Empire State Development Corporation-commissioned study of the 2003 West Indian American Day carnival found it added more than $154.8 million to the city’s economy.

      “We have hotels that are already fully booked in Brooklyn and elsewhere,” Bailey said. “You look at what the organization does, directly and indirectly, for the community.

      These are things people are not aware of.

      “We do this for the love of it,” Bailey said. “We love it.”

      For more information, or to make a donation, see the website, http://www.WIADCACARNIVAL.com.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/murder-wrote-caused-west-indian-day-carnival-parade-organizers-article-1.1144860

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    8. whynot_31
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      This year, the parade organizers are trying to say ahead of the press that says they are doing "nothing", or "not enough" to distance themselves from the violence that accompanies the parade.

      In addition to getting proactively meeting with the press and setting rules which they hope will help (see above), they have scheduled this group to march right behind the Grand Marshals:

      Please join our “Stop the Violence March” on Labor Day Monday September 3rd along Eastern Parkway. Everyone will be gathering at Rochester Ave and Eastern Parkway 10AM promptly.

      Akeal Christopher was born on July 10th 1997 and died on his 15th birthday from a bullet to his head; the crime took place on June 27th in Bushwick section of Brooklyn. Crime Stoppers is offering a reward of $12,000.00 reward for information leading to the arrest of the killers.

      We invite concerned New Yorkers to wear something white to show solidarity, if you are participating in this peace march.

      Please join with us to help heighten awareness of the violence happening among the youth in many communities in New York.

      When we as a community remain silent, we send a message to those misguided youths, that their behavior is acceptable.

      Why should we as a community behave as if we are intimated to voice our objection against the destructive behavior of some of our youth?

      We who know better should demonstrate against these killings and other behavior that leads toward our youth developing a criminal mindset.

      We will be marching directly behind the Grand Marshals and elected politicians.

      All concerned New Yorkers will have an opportunity to voice their concerns at the “Akeal Christopher Peace March” because we will be far ahead of the “Parade of Mas Bands”.

      We also need your support in spreading this march throughout your neighborhood via; Email, Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn.

      For more information email: akealchristopherpeacemarch@gmail.com.
      Call 1-800-CRIMESTOPPERS – “If You Know Something, Say Something”

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    9. whynot_31
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      In addition to the parade, "only" these events seem to be officially thrown by WIADCA:

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    10. whynot_31
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      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120828/crown-heights/newcomers-guide-brooklyns-west-indian-day-parade

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    11. whynot_31
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      The Facebook page for WIADCA:

      https://www.facebook.com/BrooklynLaborDayCarnival

      A photo from the Grand Opening of the Carnival celebration at Brooklyn Borough Hall:

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    12. jack krohn
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      Wonderful photo, whynot! This makes me recall The Psychologist's "rainbow of meat" comment and wish that I were single again.

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      Glad you liked it Jack!

      Meanwhile, these activities are sponsored by a different organization. They take place on Franklin Avenue on this Saturday:

      MoCADA Museum’s Soul of Brooklyn Series this month is celebrating Caribbean Culture in the heart of the 45th Annual West Indian American Carnival Association's Labor Day Festivities where their Kiddie Carnival Parade will come marching down St. Johns Place then turn down Franklin Avenue (between 10AM- 12PM).

      The Soul of Brooklyn Block Party series is made possible by and ARTPLACE and TRANSCANADA. The goal of this Block Party is to support and celebrate our local Brooklyn MOM and POP businesses through part
      nerships with our local cultural institutions. Special thanks goes to the Crow Hill Community Association and Franklin Avenue Merchants for their support.

      RSVP today to receive updates.

      CHECK OUT THIS SWEET SOUL OF BROOKLYN BLOCK PARTY DEAL
      Spend $10 or more at any business on Franklin Avenue on Saturday, September 1st 12PM – 6PM, bring your receipt to The Candy Rush (733 Franklin Avenue) and receive a FREE* scoop of ice cream or mini crepe!

      CHECK OUT THIS SATURDAY’S ACTIVITIES ON FRANKLIN AVENUE:
      12PM – 6PM
      The Candy Rush - 733 Franklin Avenue
      DJ Hard Hittin Harry spinning all your favorite Caribbean and carnival tunes

      12PM – 6PM
      Launch Pad’s Built in Brooklyn Craft Fair - 721 Franklin Avenue
      Featuring local artisans, FREE Carnival Mask Making with Alexis Sueme Mena of Generation of International Growth Society (G.I.G.S.)

      FREE face painting with Ding A Ling the Clown and Friends
      Coconut Rob will be there with his delicious drinks and smoothies

      12PM – 6PM
      Shop Brooklyn! Visit members of the Franklin Avenue Merchants (FAM) – Eastern Parkway to Atlantic Avenue. Soul of Brooklyn businesses will have yellow balloons out front.

      2PM – 5PM
      The Candy Rush - 733 Franklin Avenue
      Juggling, Plate Spinning and more with Zabo[/b]

      2:30PM
      Meet members of Socamotion
      (Jack, you may like this event!)

      2PM – 6PM
      Portraits by Kwesi Abbensetts

      3:30 PM – 6PM

      Lily & Fig - 727 Franklin Avenue
      Caribbean Cultural Theatre presents: Meet author Nandi Keyi-Ogunlade of The True Nanny Diaries. [/b]FREE coffee or tea with the purchase of a bakery item during the author meet and greet.

      *Offer good while supplies last

      Please visit http://www.SoulofBrooklyn.org to learn more and Follow us on Twitter @SoulofBrooklyn

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    14. whynot_31
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      Article on steel drums: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120831/crown-heights/golden-ear-tends-brooklyns-steel-drums-for-west-indian-day

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    15. newguy88
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      Hey all,

      I'm really freaking out about the upcoming parade. You see I just moved into Crown Heights a couple weeks ago. Already there was a shooting on my block and it sounds like I might be in for a few more.

      A friend of mine suggested that I should go out later today and buy all the groceries I need to survive for the next few days and not leave my apartment at all until Tuesday. This seems like overkill but from what I hear about the parade and parties it might not be a bad idea. The block has felt different since the shooting. Much more people milling loudly about. Some heated arguments and more cars driving by blaring loud music then ever before. I think most of this is average NYC holiday annoyances but this talk about guns, shootings and violence, frankly it scares me.

      Part of me is currently weighing the positives and negatives of breaking my lease and moving further west on Park or maybe around Franklin. This is a once a year burst of violence right? then it calms down?

    16. eastbloc
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      Relax, dude. You can leave your apartment, though you should be prepared for the nabe to have a sort of festival atmosphere for the rest of the weekend. But no one is going to mess with you specifically unless you go looking for a fight.

      We tend to stay close to home on parade weekend largely because we don't like crowds of this nature. It's more about comfort than it is about safety. The parade has literally millions of attendees converging on a nabe that normally has only about three hundred thousand denizens.

      Embrace it. To you, it's harmless, except to the extent that you let yourself stress out about it.

    17. whynot_31
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      There is no need to freak out.

      Basically, lots of house and bakyard parties will be thrown tonight, and some will contine thru Monday. Some of the attendees will act like idiots, and be violent.

      Throughout the weekend, lots of people will compete for the title of Most Enthusiastic by blasting music, being almost naked, consuming lots of weed and alcohol, and not sleeping for 48 hours.

      Most people, however, will attend the parade, eat some Jerk Chicken, do lots of people watching, then go home.

      The police will be given unclear instructions by their bosses, which cause them to seemingly flip a coin whether a situation warrants their intervention.

      Then, on Tuesday, Fall arrives. The kids go back to school, and many of the near naked women return to wearing blouses and toiling at administrative jobs that pay 46k a year.

      The real question: Is she in costume on Monday, or the rest of the year?

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    18. whynot_31
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      Video of last night's (Friday night's) concert behind the museum: https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/cfs-ak-ash3/v/610790/46/10151202650855336_35912.mp4?oh=6cf66d53a4c454df7d3a132d9b398730&oe=504226D4&__gda__=1346510664_05c486aaf512e657cc5777f9b56633b3

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      Press about the upcoming parade:

      NEW YORK, USA, Friday August 31, 2012 – In recognition of the 50th anniversary of independence of Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago, the two nations will be honoured at the head of next week’s West Indian American Day Carnival Parade in Brooklyn.

      Actor, singer and social activist Harry Belafonte and soca sensation Machel Montano, representing Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago respectively, will lead the Labour Day carnival parade on September 3 along Eastern Parkway, from Schenectady Avenue to Grand Army Plaza.

      Millions of spectators are expected to view the colourful annual procession of masqueraders and music presented by the West Indian Day Carnival Association (WIADCA) under the theme “Caribbean History, Culture and Unity”.

      Events leading up to the big parade are already underway as WIADCA presents four days of Caribbean carnival entertainment for children and adults.

      Yesterday, “Mas, Mas and More Mas” previewed the spectacular masquerade costumes that will grace the Eastern Parkway parade route on Labour Day.

      Today, the youth-focused Stay in School Concert takes place from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. and features music, a fashion show and spoken word performances. This WIADCA event is designed to encourage young people to continue their education and steer clear of drugs, juvenile delinquency and gangs.

      Tonight, the Brass Fest will turn the spotlight on some of the Caribbean’s top entertainers including Mr Vegas, the Machel Montano HD ensemble, Patrice Roberts, Farmer Nappy, Edwin Yearwood, WCK and Krosfyah.

      Saturday is Junior Carnival Day complete with its own parade from St John’s Place to the Brooklyn Museum Grounds, while Panorama, the popular steelband competition, gets into full swing later that night.

      On Sunday, the Dimanche Gras show is expected to light up the Brooklyn Museum stage with performances from Calypso Rose, Shadow, King Ajamu, Black Stalin, the Something Positive Dance Troupe, and more sweet steelpan sounds.

      http://www.caribbean360.com/index.php/news/610654.html#axzz25EAv7ewK

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    20. epiclylaterd
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      Hey all,

      I'm really freaking out about the upcoming parade. You see I just moved into Crown Heights a couple weeks ago. Already there was a shooting on my block and it sounds like I might be in for a few more.

      A friend of mine suggested that I should go out later today and buy all the groceries I need to survive for the next few days and not leave my apartment at all until Tuesday. This seems like overkill but from what I hear about the parade and parties it might not be a bad idea. The block has felt different since the shooting. Much more people milling loudly about. Some heated arguments and more cars driving by blaring loud music then ever before. I think most of this is average NYC holiday annoyances but this talk about guns, shootings and violence, frankly it scares me.

      Part of me is currently weighing the positives and negatives of breaking my lease and moving further west on Park or maybe around Franklin. This is a once a year burst of violence right? then it calms down?

      You should probably just move. You came to a neighborhood, as did I, where many things existed way before you came here. For you to "freak out" and contemplate requesting more police presence is ridiculous. As eastbloc has said, you're not a blip on anyones radar. I think the block could use someone who wants to make a difference here, not someone who's gonna buy groceries, hide in their apartment and call the precinct for more police coverage. Break your lease.

      end rant.

    21. whynot_31
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      It is important to keep things in perspective.

      For example, the parade is not like this classic Star Trek episode that discusses a festival that begins at 6PM:

      Monday is not 6 PM. This festival is not the same as Star Trek's....

      [+] Embed this video

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    22. newguy88
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      Epiclylaterd said:

      You should probably just move. You came to a neighborhood, as did I, where many things existed way before you came here. For you to "freak out" and contemplate requesting more police presence is ridiculous. As eastbloc has said, you're not a blip on anyones radar. I think the block could use someone who wants to make a difference here, not someone who's gonna buy groceries, hide in their apartment and call the precinct for more police coverage. Break your lease.

      end rant.

      And how would you suggest I "make a difference?" I think given the fact I'm new to the area and all of this is going is a little disconcerting. So I think I have the right to be concerned.

      I think the rest of you are probably right it's probably not going to be all that bad. Heck, the parade it's self might just be fun.

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      Wow. Wow! If you move to this neighborhood and you freak out that badly about the parade, you *should* move - so someone who can appreciate the positive elements of this weekend can have your apartment.

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      An article which focuses on the economics of the parade, and WIADCA: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/touring/the-business-of-brooklyn-s-west-indian-day-1007916152.story

      Jumaane Williams to march with the anti-violence organizers: http://myemail.constantcontact.com/March-With-Me-TOMORROW-Against-Senseless-Violence-as-We-Celebrate-Our-Caribbean-Pride-.html?soid=1102557709761&aid=7pvJberz0g4

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      BEDFORD-STUYVESANT — As preparations and food vendors filled Eastern Parkway preparing for Monday's enormous West Indian Day Parade, blocks away gunfire broke out Sunday afternoon.

      A man was shot in the hand at 1919 Eastern Parkway at 2:20 p.m., about eight blocks from where the parade is set to take place, near Ralph Avenue and Eastern Parkway.

      The victim was rushed to Brookdale Hospital and in stable condition Sunday, police said.

      A suspect was taken into custody near Eastern Parkway and Herkimer Street, but an investigation was ongoing, police said.

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120902/bedford-stuyvesant/man-shot-hand-on-eastern-parkway

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    27. eastbloc
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      So far at least off Franklin where we live, things appear to be very quiet compared to last year. No street parties spilling into the streets at all. Just a few people playing music out of their cars and having a good time.

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      Concern troll is very, very concerned.

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      Regardless of which set of stairs one uses at the EP/Museum stop, there are police at the top of the stairs.

      Among other things, they are looking at waistbands and gait for signs that the pedestrian may be carrying a handgun to tonight's J'ouvert celebration.

      The food vendors have also begun to arrive for tomorrow's parade.

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    30. xlizellx
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      Just got home from running errands (who knew that the Swatch store in Times Square - ew - both fixes watches for free and is open until 1am?!) and the neighborhood seems so quiet!

      I talked with some neighbors and they said that they were bored-no one is throwing good backyard parties this year apparently. From my overhearing of younger people (my age rather than my neighbors of the next generation up) on the subway, they had the same complaints - no one seems to be throwing parties this year. Not sure if it's a fear of safety, a concern of increased police presence, or just a coincidence, but it seems really quiet out there today.

      Honestly, my most annoying part of the day - full of loud youths, smoking pot, and public drinking - was on my 4 train ride from the UES to Midtown and then from Midtown to Franklin Avenue -- full of kids coming from the Electric Zoo rave/party/festival thing on Randall's Island. What an incredibly obnoxious subway ride tonight! But yes....Crown Heights seems the quietest I can remember for Labor Day Weekend.

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      I suspect that tonight's rain showers may put a damper on J'ouvert.

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      As of 9:15 AM, the food vendors have yet to fully line the EP medians.

      In prior years, almost all of the spots were filled with vendors who stayed over night to secure the best spots.

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      This conversation occurred between whynot_31 and a vendor who was idly waiting by a table which would sell watermelon and pineapple slices:

      WN: You think we will get a full house?

      Vendor: I hope so.

      WN: If you sell all your pineapples and watermelon, how much do you make today?

      V: 2 - 3k

      WN: Profit?

      V: Nah, gross.

      WN: I hope a lot of it is profit.

      V: A lot of it will be.

      WN: I hope everyone is hungry. Good luck

      Needless to say, the outfits being worn today are also a major source of revenue for lots of shops. This firm is reportedly one of the biggest ones: https://www.facebook.com/FreaksNy

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      a few hours earlier (around 4 PM):

      Just a few moments ago, a few blocks away:

      Shooting
      BROOKLYN: *SHOOTING* BEDFORD AVE & EASTERN PKWY AT THE PARADE, AIDED SHOT TO FACE LIKELY, MNS354 (c) [MNS463]
      Bedford Ave & Eastern Pkwy
      Brooklyn, NY
      9/3/2012 6:02 p.m.

      http://gothamist.com/map/

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    35. whynot_31
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      Stabbing
      BROOKLYN: *STABBING* PRESIDENT ST & BEDFORD AVE, VICTIM STABBED, REQ ADDL & EMS ON A RUSH (c) [MNS463]
      President St & Bedford Ave
      Brooklyn, NY
      9/3/2012 6:16 p.m.

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    36. eastbloc
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      Yup, heard the sirens right on time at 6PM.

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      If interested, you can hear live radio police broadcasts from NYPD Special Operations; they respond to major police and fire events citywide.

      In addition to the above, they just broadcast a report of Officers in need of assistance at St. Johns and Utica.

      Go to http://scanct.com/

      ...then click on NYPD SOD.

      So far, this weekend has been much more calm than in years past. Attendance may have been a factor.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    38. whynot_31
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      An ambulance or fire vehicle accident. Seems pretty minor.

      http://gothamist.com/map/
      EMS MVA
      BROOKLYN: *EMS MVA* ALBANY AVE & LINCOLN PL. TOTAL OF 5 INJURIES, ALL GREEN TAG/MINOR INJURIES. (c) [MNS225]
      Albany Ave & Lincoln Pl
      Brooklyn, NY
      9/3/2012 7:42 p.m.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    39. whynot_31
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      via above SOD scanner link:

      8:31 PM Helicopter requested for Nostrand Ave to light up the street as an aid to crowd dispersal.....

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    40. whynot_31
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      Those who work for the media are now starting getting their version of the day in:

      The NYPD assigned Mr. Williams two officers to prevent a re-occurrence of last year's um, "confusion":

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parade-safest-pol-cops-tail-councilman-jumaane-williams-west-indian-day-carnival-article-1.1150912#ixzz25SOIWOFM
      -----
      Meanwhile:

      NY1 » All the sights and sounds of the West Indies filled the streets of Brooklyn Monday for the 45th annual West Indian American Day Parade and Carnival.

      About two million people lined the route along Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights and many participants wore elaborate feathered costumes and danced for up to three hours straight.

      Crowds were playing music, dancing and waving flags of Caribbean nations before the parade even started and some onlookers have been partying since Sunday night.

      "I think it's fun. Everybody should do it at least once," said a carnival dancer sporting a feathered headdress.

      "It's the freedom of just being able to dance down the street," said another carnival participant sporting a headdress.

      Vendors were selling traditional West Indian food, including jerk chicken, oxtail, curry goat and roti.

      "I'm having a great time. My family is from the Caribbean, this is part of our heritage. I have a great year, every year," said Brooklyn Councilman Jumaane Williams.

      "I've never seen the parade. I feel like it's going to be an exciting parade. I hear there's going to be costumes, floats. I've never been to something this big," said the current Miss Jamaica, Deanna Robins.

      This year's theme was "Unity, History and Culture," as 2012 marks 50 years of independence for two West Indian nations, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago.

      http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/168144/brooklyn-sends-off-summer-with-a-west-indian-carnival
      -------
      DNA Info has run lots of photos, and reports a very gross arrest:

      While the first few hours of the parade seemed relatively calm, a reporter saw police arrest a man after witnesses said he ejaculated on a female parade-goer.

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120903/crown-heights/west-indian-american-day-parade-dances-through-crown-heights
      -------

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/thousands-lined-brooklyn-west-indian-day-parade-article-1.1150439

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    41. whynot_31
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      Unconfirmed report of an additional incident (shooting or stabbing, nature of incident not yet known) at St. Johns and Schenectady between 20:30 and 21:00. Two people injured. EMS and police on scene.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    42. eastbloc
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      An apparent helicopter search in progress for 20 minutes now overhead. Very annoying.

    43. whynot_31
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      Eastbloc, based on my knowledge of your address, you are hearing a helicopter that is related to a killing that just took place (approximately 21:10) at EP and Bedford. This incident is believed to be separate to the earlier 18:16 incident at EP and Bedford. 1 person killed.

      So far, my count is 3 people killed in
      CH between Franklin and Utica since 6 PM.

      ...but the news is rapidly evolving/devolving

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    44. homeowner
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      Don't think that's a search. Copters have been out since at least 6pm. My cats were in the backyard freaking out every time one flew overhead while we were BBQing. I think they've been doing crowd control/air support all evening.

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      That helicopter has been flying over CH since at least 11am.

    46. whynot_31
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      The Post reports on the post parade violence:

      Violence erupted hours after the West Indian Day Parade ended in Brooklyn this evening — leaving two dead and two others injured, authorities said.

      A 26-year-old man was stabbed in the neck around 6:30 p.m. in front of Sing Wah Kitchen on St. Johns Place near Utica Avenue — two blocks from the parade route on Eastern Parkway.

      The victim was rushed to Kings County Hospital where he died.

      A suspect was taken into custody at the scene, cops said.

      About 30 minutes earlier, a 27-year-old man was also knifed in the neck at Bedford Avenue and Eastern Parkway, cops said. He also died at Kings County.

      And a man and a woman were both shot in the hip around 5:15 p.m. on Eastern Parkway near New York Avenue, cops said.

      “The young lady was dancing in the street and there was loud music coming from the truck,” said one witness.

      “At first she thought she got stabbed. But when she pulled up her clothes and looked at the wound, she realized she was shot and she freaked a little bit.

      “She wasn’t hurt badly. She was able to walk over and speak to the cop and the ambulance came and took her away on the truck.

      “It happened very quickly and nobody heard the shot,” the witness said.

      http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloody_violence_after_west_indian_pUFDlz6YCDatjdaqB1XTQO#ixzz25SfgvCX6

      The Post is reporting two dead (see above). The DN is reporting the same.

      My source is reporting 2 additional persons likely to die, after the above stories were published:

      1 at EP and Bedford
      1 Schenectady and St Johns

      ...CH between Franklin and Utica seems to have had four killings in less than 4 hours.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    47. whynot_31
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      22:06 Scanner reporting shots fired at St Marks and Brooklyn Ave, suspect in hoodie fled...

      Also, MNS (via Gothamist) reporting:

      Shooting
      BROOKLYN: *SHOOTING* TROY AVE & EMPIRE PL. MALE SHOT IN THE ARM, NOT LIKELY. PD O/S REQ EMS. MNS183/257/463 (c) [MNS225]
      Troy Ave & Empire Pl
      Brooklyn, NY
      9/3/2012 10:08 p.m.

      http://gothamist.com/map/

      Note: All of New York City seems to be having violent night, but I am focusing on crimes that occur near Eastern Parkway, so we can see how much of spike we get on the day of the parade, and the night after the parade.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    48. whynot_31
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      I'm pretty sure this shot in The Post is of the bloody aftermath of the stabbing at Bedford and EP.

      How does a parade that wants to attract and retain families and corporate sponsors deal with such an image?

      In addition to the Post and DN, the NYT is presently running a story that appears not to include any of the violence that happened after 7 PM, so it is also reporting two murders:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/nyregion/two-men-fatally-stabbed-as-violence-again-follows-west-indian-day-parade.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion

      The other two deaths I allude to above remain unconfirmed.

      NEW YORK (WABC) -- It was a deadly night in Brooklyn that included gunfire, knives, and bottles.

      Celebrations at the West Indian Day Parade turned bloody and two men are dead.

      By the time the 26-year-old stabbing victim was rushed to the hospital from St. John's Place it was too late.

      He was pronounced dead at King County Hospital.

      Another man, 27, was stabbed along Eastern Parkway by Bedford Avenue and was rushed to hospital in critical condition, but the doctors could not save him.

      Indeed stretched along the parade route there was dark red evidence of the outbreaks of violence and the chaos that followed.

      Shoes dropped as crowds ran and pushed for cover.

      What began with dazzling costumes, mouthwatering foods, and a festive salute to their Caribbean culture, ended according to police with shootings, 2 fatal stabbings, and bottles thrown.

      Once emergency crews tended to the victims and police disbursed the crowds, an army of cleanup crews came in to remove the mountain of garbage washed up on the curbs of Eastern Parkway.

      All this as celebrators tried to savor what had been a day of dancing in the sun.

      So far, police have arrested one man for one of the fatal stabbings.

      The other killing and other assaults remain unsolved.

      video: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8796818&pid=8796808

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    49. cremate
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      I went and didn't get shot or stabbed!

    50. whynot_31
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      Glad to hear it cremate!

      When looked at statistically, you were clearly in the majority.

      Source for photos, and article about the FUN of the parade: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/west-indian-american-day-parade-2012-photos-crown-heights-brooklyn-harry-belafonte_n_1853713.html#slide=1465515

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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