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I called 311 and asked to be transferred to the 77th Precinct -- under whose jurisdiction this area falls. I courteously told the gentleman with whom I spoke that this is not the first conversation that I had with the 77th precinct, that this would be the second time that I've called and reported this guy. He said, and I quote: "311 IS USELESS." He said that often though one might file a complaint, the 311 people do not always submit the reports to the agencies that they are supposed to go to. Also, he said that it is typical that people making reports do not want to give their names and addresses, and without that nothing can be done, that my leaving my name and address is a rarity, and that this was the FIRST TIME THAT HE WAS HEARING ABOUT THESE TREE BREAKING incidents.... I gave him my name and address, as well as the name and address of the Tree Branch Breaker: "STEVE at 693 Sterling Place". I gave them my description of the guy "About 215 - 220, bearded, wearing a red long-sleeved shirt and jeans, and a hat. I am about to email and CALL DETECTIVE MARTIN BROWN (646 610 6016 - martin.brown@nypl.org) TO SEE IF HE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. If you call 311 PLEASE ASK TO BE TRANSFERRED TO T THE 77TH PRECINCT. Overall, the 311 call and the transfer to the precinct will cost you a half hour of your life, unfortunately.
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Posts: 9,622^ why not just call the 77th directly and bypass 311? I also encourage you to take notes of every date and time you call and get the name of the person at the 77th that you speak with. I'd also encourage you to photograph or videotape him if you see him in action (note: I don't live there, but I'd be pissed off if it was happening on my block) -
If the cops need visual evidence of the damage, just tell them to stroll Park Place between Classon and Franklin.
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I sent Detective Brown an email regarding the matter. Here is my email and most of his response. Dear Detective Brown, I am a resident in the Crown Heights community. I am writing you to report an ongoing inconvenience involving a gentleman whose name is 'Steve' apparently, and who resides at 693 Sterling Place . This gentleman is responsible for wholesale destruction of trees that line many blocks in the neighborhood. I have personally seen him attempt to break branches on trees on Franklin Avenue , and he has reportedly broken branches on trees that line St. Johns , Lincoln , Park Place , Sterling Place, Bedford Avenue , Classon Avenue and Eastern Parkway . I have made a total of three calls via the city's 311 line. I made my most recent call this morning regarding newound tree destruction that occurred today, June 1, 2010. This gentleman has killed the tree in front of 711 Sterling Place . He has broken the tree at its base. What is terribly disheartening about this incident is that if there was something done on earlier occasions regarding his behavior, the tree would likely be alive right now. I know it sounds silly to bemoan a tree, but I think that this action is indicative of what is wrong with Brooklyn particularly, and what is wrong with the city generally. There are at least two classes of people in New York -- those for whom municipal services work (police department, and other governmental agencies) and those for whom it does not. The fact that this gentleman walks the streets with impunity is incredible. Please, if you could do something about the matter, it would be a benefit for community, and the prejudged cynicism which you were greeted with at the Crow Hill community meeting held at the beginning of last month would be mitigated. Regards, ----------- "Thanks for your detailed response. A few thoughts in regards. I believe a quality of life issue like this needs to be handled on a few fronts. Filing an official police report of the damage you observed this person creating establishes a paper trail linking this person to this damage. This police report of property damage does a few things least of all ties this person to this individual incident and establishes a history incase of future damage that only increases punishment for such crimes in a court of law. Getting to know your community affairs officers and more importantly the Commanding Officer is important for all residence to notify the pct on quality of life problems the pct should know about. The police have limited number of eyes, when the residence’s eyes are added, it helps the department and the community. Please try to attend the next pct community council meeting for the 77 pct and meet these members of the department. They are held every second Monday of the month at a predetermined location. Call the pct for location. 718-735-0611. The Community Board should also be notified of this as well. The District Manager should be able to notify pertinent city agencies as well as keep this on their radar in case other residence have similar complaints about this person. Why am I telling you all this? The pct should be given a chance to correct this issue before Police Commissioner Kelly gets involved. IF the pct, for whatever reason, cannot resolve this issue to your satisfaction then I [will] try to get the situation the correct degree of attention it deserves. Pls try to file a criminal report with the pct regarding this issue so it can be on record and bring the facts with you to the next meeting. Discuss a plan of action with the community affairs officers and the pct Commanding Officer on how best to address this issue at the pct community council meeting. Please keep me informed of any issues that feel are not being properly addressed by the pct or any situations in the community that you feel deserves the Police Commissioner’s attention as well as how this issue is unfolding. Sincerely, Det. Martin Brown
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It seems that the Tree Branch Breaker is collecting his handiwork. There is a huge pile of broken branches within the property area of where he lives.
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MHA » It seems that the Tree Branch Breaker is collecting his handiwork. There is a huge pile of broken branches within the property area of where he lives.
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Uh-uh, not in the light of day. All I need is someone to see me doing that. Nope. You know the address. You take the pic.
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http://gis.nyc.gov/parks/forms/newRequestSummary.do Above is the website address to submit requests for new trees and replacement trees. I have a terribly depressing story to relay regarding 'Crazy Steve'. He was arrested, and then let go. Apparently the guy from LaunchPad on Franklin Avenue took it upon himself to follow Crazy Steve to see if he would break more branches off of trees; Crazy Steve obliged. The guy from LaunchPad -- I can't recall his name -- he sees a cop car and he flags it down. He says something like, 'Hey, that guy over there has been destroying trees for years, and I just saw him do it, and he has ripped off branches off of my tree.' The cop looks him in the eye and says, 'Sorry, there is nothing we can do about it,' and they drive off. The LaunchPad gy is determined and keeps on following Crazy Steve, finally he calls 911 and convinces a cop to come by and pick up the guy. The cops come and put Crazy Steve in cuffs. The cops then look at Steve and think twice. They say to LaunchPad dude, 'we don't know if we can keep this guy.' We'll let you know -- we gotta speak to our sarge.' Later Crazy Steve is seen walking on Classon, across the street from the school between Bergen and St. Marks. He's free. It gets worse: The guy at LaunchPad apparently gets a call from the cops. They are supposed to have a sit down with him to discuss why they did not arrest the dude. They never show up. Coincidentally, there are some cops buying CUPCAKES at a nearby Bakery -- Lily and Fig. The guy at LaunchPad sees them as they are about to drive off in their cruiser and has a conversation with them about Crazy Steve. The cops parry direct questions about doing anything about this guy. THIS is who SERVES and PROTECTS US? Jeffrey, can you reopen my thread dealing with police negligence and misconduct so I can put this there? KWAC, can you not mitigate police responsibility here and be on my side? This is crazy. I know cops have hard jobs, and I know that there are a number of things more pressing than trees, but what of Kelly's and Giulanis 'broken windows theory' (actually it was Dinkins who initiated the project but that's another story)? Why are the police so reluctant to do ANYTHING about quality of life crimes? Is murder and drugs the only thing warranting police concern? Why is it so difficult to have the police do anything about criminal activity?
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MOD HERE: Sorry, no reopening a locked thread Have you considered organizing a neighborhood meeting? As in people in person.(\__/)
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What will a neighborhood meeting do? I am not a therapist. I can only see that being a hallelujah moment and nothing more
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MHA » What will a neighborhood meeting do? I am not a therapist. I can only see that being a hallelujah moment and nothing more
I agree. The only (for now, anyway) thing would be to go to the community meeting, like Det Brown said. I've been to the 71 meeting before- it's actually really good and can be quite productive. Maybe ask the LaunchPad guy to go with you so you're both there as witnesses. C'mon MHA! Walk the walk!
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MHA has been walking the walk more than most. MHA is tired. MHA has a black face and these Longuyland white doods just warily look at MHA's hands when he talks, the way cops do to assess risk. Y'all just don't get it. A frustrated Black guy is either perceived as a threat or considered a potential threat. There is absolutely nothing MHA can do. Some of you white women need to go and say that Crazy Steve makes the street unsafe for you and your fair browed little kin. If anyone will remind y'all of Bigger Thomas it's Crazy Steve. He's big, he's Black and he's crazy. Tell the cops that this big Black crazy guy scares you. That will get results.
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Talked to some folks on Sterling today. Guess the Parks Department has been trying to pay a visit to his apartment. Took some pictures of the carnage at his house, but am I an ignoramus? I can't figure out how to post 'em.
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Posts: 9,622JoshB » Talked to some folks on Sterling today. Guess the Parks Department has been trying to pay a visit to his apartment. Took some pictures of the carnage at his house, but am I an ignoramus? I can't figure out how to post 'em.
Look under "Ask Brooklynian" for instructions on how to post a picture. You will need to upload it into a site like Flickr first. http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30929 -
And if you don't have a Flickr account?
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I use http://imgur.com . Easy to upload, you can check the box after upload to edit the size of the photo down to less than 500px wide to fit here, and it gives you the html tags at the end to paste right in here. There's even an iPhone app or two for it, if ya wanna risk walking around with your iPhone out chasing this guy.
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At 693 Sterling, between Bedford and Franklin. Thank you, Steve.
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oh man....For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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some more photo evidence of what seems to be tree breakers work here: http://umbrooklynborn.blogspot.com/2010/06/tree-is-ripped-off-in-brooklyn.html I submitted a report of illegal tree damage (theoretically punishable by a fine of up to $15k and 1 year in jail) directly to the NYC forestry division. Others can do the same here: http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_permits_and_applications/forestry_service_request.html
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Yeah, I did this too. I saw Crazy Steve on Franklin Avenue today. He was doing his thing. He was scoping out the tree in front of Pulp and Bean. Let's see what happens next.
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The police will not do anything about this guy because they don't care about the neighborhood. Sadly, the only way to get this guy off the street, even temporarily, will be to call 911 and ask for an ambulance for an "EDP" who is "acting crazy" and "might be a threat to himself and others." Once the FDNY bus gets there and the guy refuses to come with them, NYPD will be called to restrain him and facilitate his safe evaluation in the hospital. If he's truly as crazy when talking to others as he is in his behavior, he will be spending some time in the hospital. If this happens to him a few times, he may change his behavior.
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Destruction of a City tree is a Crime, not only that, pruning a city tree is illegal unless licensed or trained as a citizen tree pruner by the Parks Dept. Most Police Officers probably wouldnt arrest this guy if he truly is nuts, but he defenitely sounds like he could use a psychiatric evaluation. If calling the Police doesnt work under Emotionally Disturbed Person guidelines, a Mental Hygiene Warrant may be obtained at Supreme Court in downtown Brooklyn. If that doesnt work, theres always tying him to a tree and flogging him with his branches.
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chances are this guy is already well known to the system. It wouldn't surprise me if he already had an ICM or was served by an ACT team... They may be of some use if we could find out who they were...For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Police for the most part do care about the neighborhood despite what some may think. I personally would go nuts if I found this Nut breaking limbs off of a tree.
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he doesn't seem to be hard to find....For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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King without a crown » I personally would go nuts if I found this Nut breaking limbs off of a tree.
Like I said...jeffrey » I think I know why he wasn't spotted spotting everyone out on midnight rides...
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Wow, now I know what happened to the tree in front of our house.... I also felt terrible seeing the tree I called the Parks Department to plant ripped apart. I called 311 and they connected me to the Parks Department. They came within an hour and made a clean cut of the torn branches. Now I know it is a crazy man damaging all the trees in our neighborhood. Something has to be done....next community meeting is this coming Monday at CNR I believe. Hopefully this issue can also be addressed there.
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KWAC, can anyone get a 'Mental Hygiene Warrant' against another person? (Gonna Google that)
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MHA --> Mental Hygiene Agent
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HAH! LMAO! LOL! I took KWAC's advice and I googled Mental Hygiene Warrant and I found a telephone number (347 296 1262); I called the number and spoke with a lady who asked me to lay out the scenario; I did. She said that one can go to 360 Adams Street Room 575 (This is the Brooklyn Supreme Court) to get a Mental Hygiene Warrant, and that the circumstances I described justify it, in her opinion. She said that the best time to do this is on early mornings on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Here's the thing: I think that other people have done this. In conversation with people about this guy I vaguely recall it being said that he has been picked up and assessed, and he was gone for a few days, but then later, he was back -- that when he is off of his medication he acts this way. I feel like I am just another iteration of Neo in the Matrix. Will there be peace this time? MHA means 'My Heart is African' by the way -- but it WOULD be cool to see some dudes in MHA jumpsuits hall this dude away in a straitjacket!
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Here's the thing: I think that other people have done this. In conversation with people about this guy I vaguely recall it being said that he has been picked up and assessed, and he was gone for a few days, but then later, he was back -- that when he is off of his medication he acts this way. I feel like I am just another iteration of Neo in the Matrix. Will there be peace this time?
Peace? Doubtful. But we could at least get the guy evaluated again, and perhaps move the process along. Here's more than you ever wanted to know: The process often begins with a family member or citizen filing for a mental hygeine warrant (as described above), but can also be started via a 311 call to Adult Protective Services (APS). http://www.nyc.gov/html/hra/html/directory/adult.shtml Experience has shown this writer that APS is the slower, and less reliable of the two options.... Regardless of which method you choose to pursue, the person is then brought (often repeatedly) to the hospital for evaluation, and each time the hospital gets to decide whether he meets the stringent criteria for a involuntary hospitalization. Even if he is admitted as a result of this process, even more stringent criteria must be met in order to hold him involuntarily beyond 72 hours or for any significant length of time. [translation: Chances are that tree branch breaker will be back, perhaps with some monitoring, but he'll be back] More frequently, such folks are not admitted as an inpatient. In those instances we can atleast hope that the ER visit, and the offer of outpatient services is consistently recorded.... Once there is a pattern of ER visits and/or admissions, someone (landlord, family member, mental health worker, MD, etc) can argue that the guy should be brought into Civil Court and mandated services as per Kendra's law. http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/kendra_web/khome.htm While Kendra's Law has helped make the process easier, it is still lengthy and difficult. If Steve the Tree Branch Breaker gets this far in the process, he would receive an attorney thru either the Legal Aid Society or Mental Hygeine Legal Services to help defend his interests in the process. These "defense attorneys" are very good at what they do: Steve is likely to be released into the community, perhaps with little or no mandated monitoring. http://www.courts.state.ny.us/ad4/mhls/mhls_default.htm Basically an ongoing, harmful pattern of refusing voluntary mental health treatment must be shown in order to get the court to mandate services or meds. An even higher standard must be met in order to convince the court that a person should be hospitalized for a long period against their will. So, once a pattern is established, the guy is usually mandated to receive services from either an ACT team or an ICM program in combination with a clinic: http://bi.omh.state.ny.us/act/team_directory?p=team-directory-listing&c=New%20York%20City http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/dmh/oas.shtml#3For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
All true, whynot, but if people keep putting him through this process every time he gets caught breaking trees, he may find another hobby.
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People yelling "Steve, leave that tree alone. Go home Steve!" ...might change his mind as well.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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whynot_31 » People yelling "Steve, leave that tree alone. Go home Steve!" ...might change his mind as well.
Daver said he remembers this from a while ago- Apparently, Steve responds to when people tell him to STOP. So...I guess if you see him doing it- tell him to stop. From his past actions, he does."...you can choose the rain....but I choose the sun..." - N. Costa -
Alright, everyone. Let's pass a bunch of these out 'round the neighborhood...
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I gotta say for the record that I'm outta gas. This is exhausting. It's counterintuitive. I would think if a person like Steve commits a crime, and is caught, he/she is arrested for the crime. If he/she is accused and is given due process, then that person could then (with the advice of counsel) plead an insanity defense. The court would then ask prosecution to either settle for some alternate charge taking insanity into consideration, and said person would then be processed as such, no? But the police REFUSE to arrest this guy. What is that about? I feel as frustrated as when my computer refuses to work; when it does not compute. This does not compute. How do the police know he's mentally disabled? Have they subjected him to testing? How do WE know? Steve reminds me of a character from 'The Known World', a crappy book by Edward P. Jones. In essence, he may be 'crazy as a fox' crazy. How crazy is he? I've seen this MFer go to the store and buy food for christ sakes! Maybe he has a tree fetish. Seriously. Isn't it the duty of a trained professional to determine he's mentally incompetent? Steve is a canary in the cage, if you ask me. I doubt if his tree fetish was exhibited on Park Avenue he would be a free man right now. But we are the 'unwashed' relatively speaking, and the consequence of his actions don't affect the lives of the Park Avenue crowd. The fact that the police do not want to bother with Steve says something about what the city will expend its resources on. It's very dispiriting.
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Um, good luck with that argument, but it doesn't reflect the present reality of how criminal law or the mental hygiene laws are written or enforced. In other words, you are describing a world that is different from the one we live in. [whether the world you are describing would be better or worse, is an issue I will leave for a different day]. That said, I will put the following opinion forward: In reality, the public was lucky to get Kendra's law passed, and it was subject to huge controversy. (as alluded to above, Kendra's law is still very problematic when it comes to implementation) http://community-2.webtv.net/stigmanet/KENDRASLAW/ Jails and prisons should not be the largest providers of inpatient psychiatric care, but -sadly- they are. While the police are required to bring such individuals to the hospital for evaluations as described above, they are given very few incentives to arrest a person in the above circumstances. Sadly, both jails and psychiatric hospitals both have revolving doors. ....about 10 years ago, we didn't even have ACT teams.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Just got hit in the last hour or so over by Sterling/Underhill...he's out there somewhere.
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Like I said, 'unwashed'.
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Very informative answers, whynot. If anyone is interested in reading further on the subjects of involuntary commitment, criminal justice and psychiatry, and the repercussions of untreated mental illness, try the following titles: "Crazy" by Peter Earley "Crazy in America" by Mary Beth Pfeiffer "The Insanity Offense" by E. Fuller Torrey
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Agreed, MHA, there are some very discouraging aspects to this situation. I haven't given up hope yet though- i think we can collectively raise attention to the level where something gets done. But we're not there yet. In the meantime, if you want to help counter some of Steve's actions, Prospect Heights Community Farm (St Marks btwn Vanderbilt and Underhill) is hosting a tree care day tommorow afternoon, which includes mulching, plantings in tree beds, and - unfortunately - pruning activities to address some of the half broken branches Steve has left hanging from trees. All are welcome to join - I believe we are starting around 1pm. I know its a little disheartening to expend efforts to clean up after someone else's unpunished crimes, but I generally believe that raising awareness of the neighboorhood trees will give us more voices against Steve, and any other vandals that follow in his footsteps. I'll be there - although only half-useful since I got hit by a cab while biking on Vanderbilt yesterday, and now have a broken hand. If you can't make that event, there's another on June 12th.
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Arches - ouch!For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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I saw Crazy Steve today. He stood on Franklin glaring either at an overhead tree branch, or two women with a baby in a carriage. I was on my cell phone, and I stood about 10 feet away from him because I didn't know if he was going to make a move and harm the tree, or the two ladies and the baby. Either way, I was gonna confront the situation. He looked at me, and I at him and he must have seen my resolve because he walked away talking to himself. At his leave I turned to the two ladies and said, "Be careful of that guy." The both said in unison, "I know!" They began to talk about him glaring at them, and their thoughts were, 'why is he looking at us like that?' I pointed out the tree damage he has caused, and the police indifference and one of them said, "And if he ends up hurting someone then they are going to step in." I agreed. I don't have a camera, or a good camera phone. It's my hope that someone with either can surreptitiously take a picture of Steve. If we can pass it about to other sites, then we can create a way of monitoring this guy.
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Because of this thread, I reported this to the Dept. of Parks back on May 3rd and 4th. The information listed at the beginning of this thread was given to key personnel. Action should have followed. The person in charge of Brooklyn has changed; I will apprise him of the original message and let him know that the arborcidist is still active. p.s. arborcidist; is that a word? Maybe it is now.
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Hi all, Was all the damaged trees on Eastern Parkway between Classon and Franklin the same guy? I couldn't tell it if was wind damage or a person pulling down branches. Thanks
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Same guy. Lives at 693 Sterling Place. Name Steve. Same guy over and over.
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I stood about 10 feet away from him because I didn't know if he was going to make a move and harm the tree, or the two ladies and the baby.
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i know... it's sad... i took lots of photos the morning it happened. take a look at http://abouttimeboutique.blogspot.com/2010/06/tree-attacker-in-crown-heights.html ... it's awful. we called the police. there is nothing we can do... i have a feeling it will continue....@CCThePR on twitter
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I had a conversation with a lady who is one of the superintendents taking care of a building on Sterling Place. She told me that this past weekend she had an encounter with Crazy Steve that easily surpasses my previously reported one involving his weird gaping at the two women and the baby on Franklin Avenue. She said that he was standing nearby a tree that he had earlier maimed on Sterling. It's the tree on the northern side of Sterling Place closest to Bedford Avenue. She might have said something to him to the effect of, 'You better leave that tree alone,' or something like that. She was about to enter into the building facing the newly planted tree. She said that he turned towards her and, motioning with her hands to the sides she said that " he was steppin' to me," in a threatening way. When she said this I registered shock on my face and then she said, "Yeah, it's a lucky thing I had my hammer on me," Which she held forcefully in her hand; and upon seeing it he backed off. She then said rather scarely, "Whenever I see him I have this awful feeling in the pit of my stomach,'' and she rubbed her left side. "I feel like something absolutely horrible is gonna happen because of that guy." We played out awful permutations of what she meant: He could attack someone; he could react to someone who either taunts him, or makes attempt to stop him from mangling a tree; or lastly, he hurts a child. It's weird. Sometimes I feel as if I am living in a parallel universe and we are all characters in Harper Lee's 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. I felt this sensation strongly after starting the thread dealing with 'Birds and other forms of Wildlife' and I described hearing a bird in a tree making varying calls; someone said that the birds which do that are mockingbirds, and I said in response, how apt. Crazy Steve is our Boo Radley. Instead of leaving little toys for the girl protagonist in the cubby holes of a tree, he breaks tree branches, and indeed, kills some of the trees; maybe we are Ms. Lee's first draft. I share the sentiment of the superintendent. I too think that something awful might happen. God forbid, something awful happens to someone because of him; that would be horrible, but not surprising. My conscience would feel appeased because I will think to myself, 'Well, I was a responsible citizen. I tried.' God forbid something happens to STEVE though, and I will feel that somehow, collaterally at least, I am partly to blame. After all, I started the thread, the dots were connected by folk reading my initial comments and adding their own stating essentially, 'Yeah, that happened to me too!' That's really scary. Suppose, may the gods forbid it, the cops are called because of Steve, and they do their 'police freeze' schtik, and then he gets snuffed out in a hail of you-know-what? Oh dear Gods, NO. I thought of this as I walked towards the Franklin Avenue train station yesterday. A familiar red-on-white oversized Michael Jordan t-shirt came into view; Steve. He was doing his hand gesture thing, which looks like he is trying to solve a very complicated quadratic equation without the benefit of paper. I eyed him skeptically as I always do when we walk pass each other. His hands fluttered. I watched them carefully. They suddenly stopped. His left hand shot a thumbs up gesture. Shocked, I made eye contact. There was a softness, a glimmer of sadness, then a look of pain. The forbidding mask suddenly reappeared, as did the fluttering hands. We passed.
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There are a lot of Steves in the world. I don't think you should have any worry about somoene reading this thread and then being violent to him. ...such people use things as excuses for violence they were going to committ anyway. It's a cop-out ...people have blamed video games, twinkies, TV, heavy metal, etc. for being violent. We've provided lots of ways to deal with Steve. Granted, none of them are particularly effective, but I can't imagine any sane person going after Steve. Very few people will go to jail for a tree ...most of them seem to gravitate toward Washington State or Berkeley http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/10tree.htmlFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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