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Last Saturday June 19th starting at about 7:30PM, we had our introduction to summer out-door parties using PA system. The floor in my place was vibrating... Typically the very very loud music continues into early morning hours. We have had the same problem in previous summers. I tried calling 311, was unable to reach an operator. Called the 77th. The music did not stop. I am trying to reach out to as many people as possible who are affected by these kinds of events. In order to make changes and improve the quality of life in and around our homes we need to address this problem as a group. Please respond to this post and let me know if you share the same problem.
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Go to the offender and try a dialog. It probably won't work, but it's worth a try, especially if you have other tenants lined up to complain. Call the landlord / management company of the building. Threaten a building wide rent strike if it doesn't stop, Talk to other people in your building. Odds are they hate it too, but think they're alone and don't know what to do. Many people are afraid of calling 311 or 911 because they don't think it's anonymous and think they'll be labeled a snitch. Call 311. Have your neighbors call 311. Call 911 and say you think there's illicit activity going on. Be creative. Call Marty Markowitz's office. I've gotten a lot help from them. Call your city councilor. Call your state representative. Ours lives on my block. He has pull and connections. Buy earplugs and/or a loud fan.Take the u out of neighbour.
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Call and WRITE to the above. Find out about your local laws.If I don't quite understand you...well, that's all right...if you don't want to understand me...it really doesn't matter.... If we all try to understand each other, well now, just think of what might happen!
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in the meantime, get yourself some high quality noise-cancelling headphones. Wear them with earplugs in, it will make a huge difference for your sanity....
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Subject: didn't u know about block parties before u moved there?
outdoor parties using a pa system are normal for crown heights. didn't u know that before moving there? why are you imposing your values and background on people who have lived there for a long time. don't try and change others' behavior....move! -
Subject: Re: didn't u know about block parties before u moved there?
bklynnyc1 » outdoor parties using a pa system are normal for crown heights. didn't u know that before moving there? why are you imposing your values and background on people who have lived there for a long time. don't try and change others' behavior....move!
This is a tricky one for me. On the one hand I put up with a certain degree of noise from my neighbors because I like a neighborhood where occasionally I can play some loud music on the weekends. But in essence, you're saying "Let people act in a way that's at best oblivious, at worst contemptuous towards their neighbors, because they were here first." And that's wrong. I enjoy most everything about this neighborhood, but we all have our limits on what is acceptable. Every neighborhood is going to have a faction that thinks it's too loud, or too quiet or whatever. But in calling for blanket acceptance of a practice, you're the one coming across as intolerant. The answer lies in the middle ground, people. -
Subject: Re: didn't u know about block parties before u moved there?
bklynnyc1 » outdoor parties using a pa system are normal for crown heights. didn't u know that before moving there? why are you imposing your values and background on people who have lived there for a long time. don't try and change others' behavior....move!
Yeah buddy, criminal behavior was pretty "normal" for this neighborhood too, and acceptance of that criminal behavior was pretty "normal" for this neighborhood too. And guess what? Its not just the new people, not all your long time neighbors are really happy about your super loud parties. Just because you/ve gotten away with it for a long time doesnt mean that its okay, respectful of your neighbors, and great for the neighborhood. Perhaps you could explain why only you should be able to do what you want at everybodies expense. Nobody should be able to sleep, or good forbid take a nap in the afternoon, listen to their own music or tv, or even enjoy their backyard because you wanna listen to your music loud. Who is forcing their "values" on whom? -
Subject: Re: didn't u know about block parties before u moved there?
bklynnyc1 » outdoor parties using a pa system are normal for crown heights. didn't u know that before moving there? why are you imposing your values and background on people who have lived there for a long time. don't try and change others' behavior....move!
What do backgrounds and values have to do with respect for other people's right to some peace and quiet? A lot of things have been going on in Crown Heights for a very long time that aren't necessarily right and people are well within their rights to complain. I'm not saying there should never be any parties, but they should be done in a respectful way. Neighbors should be invited + given a heads up, and they can't happen every weekend or during the week when people have to work. To be cross with the OP for demanding the courtesy and respect they deserve as a neighbor seems silly to me and is reflective of some of the fundamental problems in CH. Lol. "We have been having our parties and how dare anyone complain about it!"[Mamacita said:
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Subject: Re: Very Very Loud Music from 685 Sterling Place
friebs » Last Saturday June 19th starting at about 7:30PM, we had our introduction to summer out-door parties using PA system. The floor in my place was vibrating... Typically the very very loud music continues into early morning hours. We have had the same problem in previous summers. I tried calling 311, was unable to reach an operator. Called the 77th. The music did not stop. I am trying to reach out to as many people as possible who are affected by these kinds of events. In order to make changes and improve the quality of life in and around our homes we need to address this problem as a group. Please respond to this post and let me know if you share the same problem.
Follow the suggestions others made. Move. You thought it was cheaper here for nothing? We got rats, roaches, dogs, cats, racoons, drunks, drug addicts, larcenists, murderers, gangs , a corrupt PD, oh, and we like to party. We are the Borg. Adapt or be assimilated. lmfaoEverything you believe to be true, is a lie. -
Subject: Re: Very Very Loud Music from 685 Sterling Place
mantic » [quote="friebs"]Last Saturday June 19th starting at about 7:30PM, we had our introduction to summer out-door parties using PA system. The floor in my place was vibrating... Typically the very very loud music continues into early morning hours. We have had the same problem in previous summers. I tried calling 311, was unable to reach an operator. Called the 77th. The music did not stop. I am trying to reach out to as many people as possible who are affected by these kinds of events. In order to make changes and improve the quality of life in and around our homes we need to address this problem as a group. Please respond to this post and let me know if you share the same problem.
Follow the suggestions others made. Move. You thought it was cheaper here for nothing? We got rats, roaches, dogs, cats, racoons, drunks, drug addicts, larcenists, murderers, gangs , a corrupt PD, oh, and we like to party. We are the Borg. Adapt or be assimilated. lmfao[/quote]LMFAO!!
If I don't quite understand you...well, that's all right...if you don't want to understand me...it really doesn't matter.... If we all try to understand each other, well now, just think of what might happen! -
Well yes its too hot in my kitchens, but thats just the weather. And that will change. Change is ongoing and constant. When the people who want to play their music real loud moved in, they changed the neighborhood., now other people are moving in and yeah the place is changing. what makes you think that since you changed the neighborhood the change stops? Chelsea, the West Village, Carroll Gardens, Prospect Lefferts Gardens, were all places that I lived in and was priced out of. Like it or not it is a natural cycle that you are powerless to stop. And its more Borg than you. O yeah nice song, and I was wearing my bifocals so I could see into the distance and read also . thank you for asking.
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Subject: Re: didn't u know about block parties before u moved there?
bklynnyc1 » outdoor parties using a pa system are normal for crown heights. didn't u know that before moving there? why are you imposing your values and background on people who have lived there for a long time. don't try and change others' behavior....move!
A loud party every now and then is one thing, but if this is going on constantly, until all hours of the morning, it's unacceptable and I don't care who you are. Everyone wants respect but no one wants to give it. (BTW- Slavery was largely normal at one point in U.S. history. Does that mean it should have gone on, unchecked, as a natural and accepted part of life just because it fit perfectly into the value system of a certain segment of society? Hell's no!!!) In order to live together, we each have to respect boundaries. Which means, we all, on every side, will have to be a bit more flexible. All of this puffing up, telling people to move is pointless. It just sounds like an angry attempt at a power play. Defending broken laws (including noise ordinances) and suggesting that people move out of their own homes is not a true representation of power and it's not a full and accurate representation of the feelings of all of the longtime residents. -
Damn... slavery... you do know that slavery never ended. The rules just changed us all into indentured servants to credit and taxes. That's prolly why one was priced out and has to come to the bottoms to try and make the sun shine. Next time you see me smile and I'll smile back.Everything you believe to be true, is a lie.
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Don't call 911 for Noise complaints they only get routed to 311 and defenitely do not embelish to get a faster Police response, that is not only dangerous it is also illegal.
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Me dancin' the roomba as fast as I can.
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Posts: 9,622that Roomba video cracks me up every time. I have a Roomba and while my kittehs have gotten used to it, neither of them wants to ride it. <---exiting thread as I have nothing to add to the main topic (except that nobody should have to put up with shit like that) -
Subject: Noise Issues
Noise issues are definately a problem in the 77th Precinct. We now have a new Precinct Captain who is just getting his feet wet. The previous CO seemingly did not handle noise issues at all. We all have the Constitutional right to PEACEFUL enjoyment of our properties. This does not mean we have the right to impose on others. This is why standards are set at the local level. The Noise Code in the city is great on the commercial side. Enforcement is a joke on the residential side and then the DEP is understaffed on the commercial side. There are 6 inspectors for Brooklyn and Staten Island combined! We DO need to ORGANIZE to have the new CO hear us and be accountable in dealing with noise issues. Our block has been struggling with a music studio putting out low frequency vibrations since 2006! So I have some experience in the matter. The City has no recording equipment! Police officers are not trained properly in how to give out tickets. There are a whole range of issues I am willing to share wth anyone if you contact me. I am willing to offer my house as a place to meet if you would like. For those interested in the unhealthy effects of noise go to http://www.noiseoff.org. This website is a great resource for people who want to get more involved and learn about the consequences of continued exposure to noise -- in particular low frequency vibrations. Please contact me to discuss more offline. Peace to all. -
mantic » Damn... slavery... you do know that slavery never ended. The rules just changed us all into indentured servants to credit and taxes. That's prolly why one was priced out and has to come to the bottoms to try and make the sun shine.
Yep, I went all the way to slavery... Although I don't totally agree with your sentiment. I do hold fast to the belief that it was slavery, prolonged disenfranchisement, both physical and mental abuse, and its resultant affect on Black and browned skinned peoples in the U.S. that has caused the un-level playing field that has led us to a situation wherein many people in our country and very own community continue to suffer from poverty and other societal ills. They lack money and power and are often pushed around or simply get ignored. So yes, for some people, times are still more than hard - but nowhere near as hard as for those who experienced actual factual slavery. Indentured to credit and taxes...Nope. Only in as much as we go beyond our means to purchase crap that we really don't need just so we can feel like we're being accepted by those who find us most unacceptable. And I'm sorry, but I like smooth roads, public education - when it works, and clean water running into my home - not to mention green space, pay as you wish at museums, and transit fares that are still below $3.00 per trip. Taxes have their place. With that being said - loud parties lasting until who knows when are not a right. Again, people want respect, but they don't think they should have to give it. It's called common courtesy. Blow out your eardrums if you want, but leave mine alone. -
Hey Friebs, I live on your block, on the Park Pl. side and have heard loud music coming from that building and from the salon at 733 Franklin, and sometimes from my neighbors. I approach people and ask them to turn it down when I know who they are, but in this neighborhood, people act like it's their god given right to blast music. Anyway, if you are interested in joining up to contact our councilwoman and congresswoman about this problem, you can message me. It's definitely something that needs to be changed about this neighborhood.
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Speaking of which, is anyone else hearing the realllly loud music coming from JS Studio, 733 Franklin right now? It is ridiculously loud.
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Yes, and still going strong after 2am. I'm surprised that the building's owner, who has a baby, is letting them keep it up so late. Maybe they're out of town?
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I am so confused as to attitude and "attitude" -- I am not sure who is right and who is wrong. When I was young...er, I was oblivious to others. Not intentionally in many cases but just in my own hormonal "this world is mine for the taking" type of way. Another part was anti-authoritarian, another part was a lack of empathy. I also thought that because this was "New York" that it was normal to be who you are and wildness and anti-conformity, which includes many people's perception or rudeness was the rule rather than the conception. I grew up in a small town, had general supervision, etc., so I wasn't as "bad" as many. Now, getting older, I realize that, like every where else, I live in a community of singles, families, individualists, news makers, news breakers, homeowners, renters, home...less and business owners. We are Stalinists, Communists, patriots, idiots, regular guys, feminists, anarchists, Zionists, pessimists, opportunists, artists, musicians, teachers, stock brokers, down-on-our-luckers, and on and on. I respect you but just don't know what to complain about or keep silent about any more.If I don't quite understand you...well, that's all right...if you don't want to understand me...it really doesn't matter.... If we all try to understand each other, well now, just think of what might happen!
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Yeah, Ridonkulous, I'm guessing they must have had an opportune evening to have a party. Because who just has a party on a Sunday night? Ugh. Anyway, I emailed Letitia James about it. She's looking into the police response.
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@nearnostrand - I hear what your saying about the whole disenfranchisement theman's kept us down thing. That's past. Enough of us realize what has happened, but we still wanna play the card. Now and tomorrow, we're all indentured. It's color blind now, we all be in da same bag homie. The freedom to spend out Cash is being restricted day by day. Your nothing but a number now. Your freedom to be free? That's going out the window e'ryday. Chip Chip away. @em555 Keep quibbling about mundane quality of life issues. Are you calling your senator about whats going on in the Gulf? Afghanastan? Iraq? Did you call about the Patriot Act? NAFTA? ACTA? or any of the REAL quality of life issues? We are kept too caught up and stressed out to care about what the kucf is going on outside the comfort of our four walls floor and ceiling to care about what is going on outside of them. Just keep the damn music out so we can be in peace. Go read the articles about police corruption in the village voice that plagues this city. Have you noticed the state of the economy? Then rationalize, do you think Po Po gives a hoot about you and some loud music? I wish you luck on your journey. Remember what they say, music calms the savage beast. I'll still smile when you see me
With that, I'm not beating this horse anymore.Everything you believe to be true, is a lie. -
so mantic, on the one hand, you're telling me to call my representatives about big national issues, and on the other you're saying it's not worth complaining to my local reps about the police, because they are hopelessly corrupt. which is it? take action or don't? obviously doing something about "mundane quality of life" issues isn't mutually exclusive from speaking out on the national and global problems. being engaged locally often translates to being engaged nationally and internationally. a lot of things seem mundane in this world. blow out preventers, tariffs, military equipment. it's all pretty mundane stuff unless something goes wrong with it.
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em555 » so mantic, on the one hand, you're telling me to call my representatives about big national issues, and on the other you're saying it's not worth complaining to my local reps about the police, because they are hopelessly corrupt. which is it? take action or don't? obviously doing something about "mundane quality of life" issues isn't mutually exclusive from speaking out on the national and global problems. being engaged locally often translates to being engaged nationally and internationally.
What I am saying is if we payed attention to the larger things in life, the smaller things would become inconsequential as we would all have a common interest. We would not bickering amongst each other as we are doing here.a lot of things seem mundane in this world. blow out preventers, tariffs, military equipment. it's all pretty mundane stuff unless something goes wrong with it.
None of those things are mundane. What brought us to the point to which we needed such things?
I'm not telling you not to, I'm just telling you what it is, as I know it. By all means exercise your rights. Get a history of reports going. However, a cop once told me after three times going to a site, and they don't hear anything they wont go anymore.
Go read the Police Tapes series, and get back to me on how you feel about what I've said then.
http://www.villagevoice.com/search/index?keywords=police+tapes&x=22&y=19Everything you believe to be true, is a lie. -
em555 » What I am saying is if we payed attention to the larger things in life, the smaller things would become inconsequential as we would all have a common interest. We would not bickering amongst each other as we are doing here.
I would think peace of mind and the ability to get a good night's sleep would be much higher on someone's list than the Patriot Act. Which would you fight for first, the right to privacy or the right to a good night's sleep? And in any case, the two things are totally unrelated. There are zoning ordinances and laws that keep construction workers from using jackhammers on your block at 2 in the morning. Why? Because people deserve the right to peace and quiet. Regardless of what other issues are out there or how low of a priority noise complaints are for CH's cops, complaints about endless house parties with PA systems are legitimate.[Mamacita said:
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For everyone who had to get up at 6:30am Monday morning to go to work, it wasn't mundane to get 3 hours of sleep. Have a party, have a party in your back yard with music. But don't bring in professional equipment with a DJ and sound board and play at top volume outside until 3:30. And if you're the owner of the building, who happens to also be planning kid's day a month from now, it seems hypocritical to not let the neighborhood kids get decent sleep on a school night. An excerpt from Garret Keizer's new book on noise (follow the link for the full story): "To say that noise is a relatively weak issue because it is less momentous than world hunger or global climate change is to make an incomplete statement. Noise is a weak issue also because most of those it affects are perceived, and very often dismissed, as weak. The ones who dismiss them, in addition to being powerful, are often the ones making the noise. . . . " http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/books/excerpt-the-unwanted-sound-of-everything-we-want.html
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I am not writing Obfuscated code here. The mundane was referencing the examples quoted in the text. Kindergarden dropouts, the lot of you. Off with your heads.Everything you believe to be true, is a lie.
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I gotta vote with the kinder-kind here. Blasting music on a worknight seems a bit inappropriate. I walked by the hair salon at 1 am and I was taken aback at the volume. And, there were only a handful of people there. Maybe someone should consider speaking to the proprietor, and the property owner, and letting them both know know of the penal code violations that are probably in violation. It's not hard to find them; go to http://www.nyc.gov and use their search engine. Also, if that doesn't work, contact the better business bureau. I for one have been jarred out of sleep by a group of ragamuffin types who live in an adjoining building at 4 in the morning blasting alternatively, dancehall, Youtube clips of what seems to be Crips rhetoric, and their own responses in porn chatrooms. I am all for a 'this is Brooklyn' ethos, but still, there is a level of inconsideration that whether deliberate or unconscious exemplifies a certain degree of disrespect we have for our neighbors. I wish there was some sort of sonic device that could shoot sound like a laser beam to my neigbors who cause me to wake up at ungodly hours. It would be the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent; Is there an app for that?
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I did enjoy it when they started playing Bryan Adams covers, which seemed out of character
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Were they reggae-fied versions of Bryan Adam songs? Jamaican music culture does that a great deal. You should hear the reggae version of Tracey Chapman's 'You Got A Fas Car'; genius.
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I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
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Ridonkulous » I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
LOL!! Lack of sleep does alter lucidity and perception... Mantic, it's much easier to fight the good fight after a good night of sleep. Can we agree on that? The hated Mayor Rudy had a couple of things right. One of them being a crackdown on quality of life crimes. It's hard to be fully productive when the simple seems of your life are constantly being pulled at. -
Adopt a corner of your block, a corner of your district, a corner of your county, a corner of your state a corner of your region, a corner of your country, a corner of the world. It could be rocks or guitars or rivers or schools or genital mutilation. Shout it from the rooftops. And if this isn't your bag...try to listen and maybe spread the awareness. Go for it! Noise, no noise. Teach your children: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/fashion/27StudiedEmpathy.html http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/empathy-in-the-mailbag/If I don't quite understand you...well, that's all right...if you don't want to understand me...it really doesn't matter.... If we all try to understand each other, well now, just think of what might happen!
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em555, did you ever hear anything from Tish James? Did she have any advice on how to handle this if it happens again?
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Agreed nearnostrand. I think the reason folks appreciate where they live is because of the 'quality of life' that they can afford. I don't think that we need to pay top dollar for peace and quiet. Peace and quiet and respect for your fellow man, woman, boy and girl, is what ought to separate us from the lower animals. When respect is lost, then we live like the rats that scurry about. I am near exhaustion dealing with the constant indignity of swirling garbage, garbage-filled mouths and overflowing garbage that abuts where I live. I wish that there was a Giuliani-like Leviathan that would roam the streets and put the fear of economic reprisal into all the wrongdoers. In a conversation with a white-shirted police officer whose surname is O'Keefe a few weeks ago. I pleaded with him to do something about Crazy Steve. I pointed out the damage to the trees that C.S. hath wrought. This guy looks at me and huffed that he wasn't gonna arrest a guy for breaking a few branches while there are murderers and rapists and drug dealers about. But I guarantee you, the last thing rapists, murderers and drug dealers are concerned about are what must be as subtle as nuance to them: the quality of life crimes. After all, don't we see the breaches of social protocol that common criminals engage in constantly? I don't know about you, but the weed sellers in my neck of the woods are constantly urinating in dark corners, littering habitually, and all in all making life miserable for those who are not. If the cops focused on quality of life crimes, I bet you they would halt a number of the more egregious offenses, such as late night noise on a weeknight. If building inspectors made rounds to business they could effectively police business code violations that so many of these grungy bodegas flout every day. I've read commentary hear from those who argue that police officers have bigger fish to fry, but quality of life crimes are small fish that fry so easily, and so quickly, I don't understand why cops don't do it more often. I see cops standing in front of bug-filled plexi-glassed bodegas and I ask myself, you mean to tell me you can't call in potential health code violations? You can give the man a citation for the garbage spewing in front of his door? Even if the charge doesn't stick, you can't just do that to make attempt to police the behavior? I'm on the outside looking in -- obviously -- and it's easy to critique what one has little understanding of the mechanisms of.... But still....
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nearnostrand » [quote="Ridonkulous"]I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
LOL!! Lack of sleep does alter lucidity and perception... Mantic, it's much easier to fight the good fight after a good night of sleep. Can we agree on that? The hated Mayor Rudy had a couple of things right. One of them being a crackdown on quality of life crimes. It's hard to be fully productive when the simple seems of your life are constantly being pulled at.[/quote] Yes, we can. Mess with my sleep, I'm knocking on your door.Everything you believe to be true, is a lie. -
Ridonkulos-Haven't heard back from Letitia James. I just emailed her again, and told her other people are having the same issues. I actually paid a visit to the owner the night they were blasting music to ask him to turn it down. This was around 10 p.m. He was telling me I was the first one to complain (who knows if that was true) and then tried to invite me to their Sunday night party. He finally promised he would turn it down, but he clearly did not. I think whenever they make noise, we should call 311, call the local precinct, and call/email Letitia James. I have also talked to a cop who was utterly indifferent about noise. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry, but I wonder... After all, there are police who stand on Franklin Ave. near Sterling or St. John's. Why shouldn't they try to stop noise violators who are mere steps from where they're policing?
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