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About 10 cop cars showed up last night around 6:30 on New York Ave/Lincoln Pl/Eastern Parkway, some helicopter activity later in the night, this morning there are cops on every corner....nothing on the Gothamist crime map. Any idea what's up?
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We have concluded it is protection for a religious conference http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54210For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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Cuz know one else has said it ima just say it. Yesterday I noticed a cop patrolling on Lincoln Place (bet Nostrand and New York) and then later on that evening the same cop was still there. Then I ventured out onto Eastern Parkway (between New York aves & Brooklyn) and I felt like I was in Baghdad. There were elevated floodlights, officers on foot patrol and huge mobile units. For a minute there I thought wow, maybe the NYPD had finally responded to my neighbors cries for increased police presence on the side streets and not just the avenues. Then an officer told me that the only reason that they are out is because it's the International Conference of Shluchim (Orthodox Hasidim Conference). Why is it that the NYPD only responds to the Lubavitcher community requests for increased police presence and the rest of Crown Heights (east of franklin ave) gets bubkas
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They pay more taxes + have more lawyers....[
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...and are an organized community, whereas the rest of the neighborhood has no singular voice that is authorized to speak on their behalf. (there's also those pesky bomb plots against Temples that keep appearing in the newspapers)For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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whynot_31 » ...and are an organized community, whereas the rest of the neighborhood has no singular voice that is authorized to speak on their behalf.
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CLAYFILMS » [quote="whynot_31"]...and are an organized community, whereas the rest of the neighborhood has no singular voice that is authorized to speak on their behalf.
I thought that's what our local elected officials were for.[/quote] Many of BT50's opinions are shared by this writer.... http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=53935 In addition, when the politicians do actually bother to try do anything, everyone in the room already knows that the neighborhood does not have one voice. ...hence, the politicians are ignored. Although those having a religious conference this weekend don't agree on everything either, outsiders perceive them as agreeing on a lot. ...hence when a leader speaks, outsiders listen. P.S. If we all vote on the Working Families line, it might help. The Dems have taken us for granted for decades.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
CLAYFILMS » Why is it that the NYPD only responds to the Lubavitcher community requests for increased police presence and the rest of Crown Heights (east of franklin ave) gets bubkas
This conference has been happening for many many years. This is the first year they have all the police. And there is a good reason for it. -
And what is that good reason? Waiting to hear milesjo?snowboarding, photography, films, art, counter culture, alternative
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SnowboardQueen » And what is that good reason? Waiting to hear milesjo?
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we asked the same question of a beat cop on our block. he said there had been threats made against that specific community and that there was a violent death at the conference last year, so they were beefing up patrols. they're going all the way up to bedford on the EP.
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I (a non-Lubavitcher) attended the celebration after the second day of the Schluchim conference last night and the police presence was formidable. However, I have to say that the NYPD was amazingly "back seat" about the whole thing. A neighbor of mine remarked negatively on the police presence and the closing of EP (as in "why are our tax dollars going to this cause?") and I have to counter (very respectfully) that in a matter of a month, the West Indian Day Parade AND the Panamanian Day Parade took up resources and closed off vehicular traffic. Let us not also forget that Jews are public enemy #1 for many in the world (i.e., the assassination of the schluchim in Mumbai last year) and, unfortunately, in the region, so it is our responsibility as neighbors to do all we can to protect them AND our individual interests in Crown Heights.
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This conference was covered today in the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/nyregion/14chabad.html?ref=nyregion I was at a meeting at the Kings County DA's office yesterday and asked the question of why the HEAVY coverage by the NYPD on Eastern P'kwy. The DAs office replied that that question was an old one and wouldn't be revisited. When will this community unify into that singular voice over the use of policing for "anti-terrorist activity" that leaves the rest of the NYC citizenry short on adequate protection? This issue is a national, statewide and citywide issue as to the disbursement of funds. Remember, the Department of Justice refused NYC any more anti-terror funds just a few months ago. The present police commissioner Ray Kelly has staked his policing policies on Compstat, and doesn't appear to have any plans to re-institute "community policing". When asked about community policing at the June 77th precinct meeting, and at the Nov. 2007 borowide meeting his response was that there weren't enough cops to carry out community policing Community Policing was first instituted under Mayor David Dinkins, and was very successful. Community Policing basically means having cops walking a beat. This would allow them to have direct contact with the populace, and the people would be able to speak directly to an NYPD representative in the street. It would also go a long way towards humanizing the population to the police department. Try writing and calling your US Senators (Schumer & Gillibrand) and whoever your Congressperson is and asking the question about NYC/NYState getting more funding for policing, to replace the police that have been removed from regular city patrol to augment the anti-terror policing in all of the business districts and transportation hubs.
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bklyn50 - I really have to take issue with your comments. You evidently have no idea what it is like to be part of a close nit community, where every person is like a brother and sister. And when your brothers and sisters get brutally murdered by terrorists (yes terrorists, not "militants" like many left wing liberal media would write), in Mumbai, and there are specific threats and risks against our community, then having heavy police presence is a necessity and we are extremely grateful for it, and grateful to live in the wonderful land of the free, the USA.
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If community policing was so superior to compstat, then why was the crime rate under Dinkins far higher than it is today? 2000+ plus murders vs. about 450? Yea, yea, I know, Guliani was a fascist, the cops fabricate crime stats, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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A foot patrol of law enforcers is, of course, what this community needs. At the same time, resources MUST go towards anti-terrorist vigilance, especially now that the federal government has announced that trials of 9/11 masterminds will be happening in our area. Why has funding directed towards the NYPD been cut? Several of my acquaintances who were depending on Police Academy entrance this year have been put on hold. We need more personnel, therefore more funding towards the police force. THAT is what our representatives need to hear about.
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Milesjo and others, I don't think anyone is against the provision of security to 770 or any other potential "high profile" targets. After all, those of us who are neighbors are also potential collateral damage if something were to happen. I think that the frustration, is that the level of policing that we saw this past week, never occurs when individual residents of the neighborhoods are targets of crime. When that poor little girl was kidnapped, killed and left in a garbage bag several years ago, no increased patrols. When the gentleman was killed backing his car out of his driveway, no increased patrols. When several women were assaulted on Eastern Parkway by a man groping them as he rode by on his bike, no increased patrol. Its almost as if the police have determined that the deaths by a thousand cuts are acceptable, but potential grand gestures of crime are not. Statistically, we are all more likely to be the victims of these small random neighborhood crimes rather than of the large mass attacks. So while I don't take issue with the police presence, I do wonder why there is not the same response when there are actual crimes committed and deaths that occur in our neighborhood.
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I agree with your comment. Long time residents know who the real terrorists round here are. PS... this board has gone into the humor section of my links.
homeowner » Milesjo and others, I don't think anyone is against the provision of security to 770 or any other potential "high profile" targets. After all, those of us who are neighbors are also potential collateral damage if something were to happen. I think that the frustration, is that the level of policing that we saw this past week, never occurs when individual residents of the neighborhoods are targets of crime. When that poor little girl was kidnapped, killed and left in a garbage bag several years ago, no increased patrols. When the gentleman was killed backing his car out of his driveway, no increased patrols. When several women were assaulted on Eastern Parkway by a man groping them as he rode by on his bike, no increased patrol. Its almost as if the police have determined that the deaths by a thousand cuts are acceptable, but potential grand gestures of crime are not. Statistically, we are all more likely to be the victims of these small random neighborhood crimes rather than of the large mass attacks. So while I don't take issue with the police presence, I do wonder why there is not the same response when there are actual crimes committed and deaths that occur in our neighborhood.
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bklyn50 - I really have to take issue with your comments. You evidently have no idea what it is like to be part of a close nit community, where every person is like a brother and sister. And when your brothers and sisters get brutally murdered by terrorists (yes terrorists, not "militants" like many left wing liberal media would write), in Mumbai, and there are specific threats and risks against our community, then having heavy police presence is a necessity and we are extremely grateful for it, and grateful to live in the wonderful land of the free, the USA.
Please don't presume my heritage. I have lived in this community for just short of sixty years. As a child, I knew what a close knit community was. My family, church, and neighborhood were ALL extended family. And terrorism was some thing that people of African descent knew quite well in this country before my birth up through today. The trick is, now some of the terrorists are coming from within my own community. -
Reply to Jack Krohn: If community policing was so superior to compstat, then why was the crime rate under Dinkins far higher than it is today? 2000+ plus murders vs. about 450? And I guess ten years from now you'll say why didn't Obama do anything about the 10.2% unemployment? The fact is that is you inherit rubbish that has taken years to accumulate, there is no magic to make it instantly disappear. The same would hold true of the crime statistics. The ship of state is like an oil tanker; it takes a lot of energy and a lot of space to make it come to a stop or execute a significant change in direction. Community policing was working during Dinkins tenure. Guiliani used divisive racist tactics to push Dinkins out of office. When Guiliani had accomplished that, he used community policing and Compstat, to accomplish the crime reduction. CompStat originated in the New York City Police Department in 1994, under leadership of Police Commissioner William Bratton and Deputy Commissioner Jack Maple. That didn't stop Guiliani for trying to take full credit for the process, which Dinkins never got a chance to initiate with Bratton. For more info on CompStat see the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompStat/code
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The teenager found in the dumpster was Chantal Petra-Nixon. The young man who was murdered pulling his car out of the driveway was Edward Hunt.
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" Let us not also forget that Jews are public enemy #1 for many in the world (i.e., the assassination of the schluchim in Mumbai last year) and, unfortunately, in the region, so it is our responsibility as neighbors to do all we can to protect them AND our individual interests in Crown Heights." _____________________________________________________________ This statement summarizes why our community had riots years ago. The Jewish community is completely self-centered yet affluent ,powerful and loud enough to get sepcial treatment by the NYPD. THey certainly aren't gunned down on the morning of their wedding day as Sean Bell was. THe police presence is a constant. It may have been noticeably excessive a few days ago but each Sabbath evening (Fridays) you will see the NYPD vans and police on Kinsgton and Eastern Parkway. Every Friday. A Jewish life is worth more than an African AMerican life- that is the subtext of the poster's logic. That is what our elected officials have bought into along with NYPD.
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There was a banquet for 4,000 Sunday eve at the armory on Bedford at Union: http://lubavitch.com/news/article/2027590/U-S-Military-Armory-Is-Transformed-for-Chabad-Banquet.html All Sunday Union was blocked off with dozens of NYPD cars and vans, tons of cops and even some mounted police. Late in the eve the armory was lit up inside with flashing lights and orchestral music was blaring. Quite an event..."The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
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brooklyncitizen » " THey certainly aren't gunned down on the morning of their wedding day as Sean Bell was. .
But they are gunned down when moving their car for alternate side parking. Remember the gentleman who was killed a couple of years ago near Utica by a stray bullet?.... -
brooklyncitizen » A Jewish life is worth more than an African AMerican life- that is the subtext of the poster's logic. That is what our elected officials have bought into along with NYPD.
pretty much. i'm all about providing resources in the form of law enforcement when there is a clear and present threat of violence. i'm just saying the outpouring of cash and resources for the Jewish residents of Crown Heights is clearly disproportionate to the amount of city cash & resources spent on policing the rest of the community. that's all. I'm saying there was a man (a sanitation worker i believe) shot in point blank range on his way to work on Lincoln Pl & New York about a year ago. Since then the block association has begged the NYPD reps who come to the meetings for an increased police presence on that corner. Or at the very least for the broken streetlights to be fixed. I haven't seen a beat cop on (the corner of New York & Lincoln) EVER in the afternoons or evenings until this conference. -
CLAYFILMS » I haven't seen a beat cop on (the corner of New York & Lincoln) EVER in the afternoons or evenings until this conference.
I'm pretty sure there were a few cops there for the Caribbean parade. -
CLAYFILMS » i'm just saying the outpouring of cash and resources for the Jewish residents of Crown Heights is clearly disproportionate to the amount of city cash & resources spent on policing the rest of the community. that's all.
Reminds me of the joke of the Jewish man during World War II who was sitting on the train reading a German newspaper. The most vial anti-semitic rants were contained on every page of the rag. A fellow passenger turns to him and asks 'why are you reading that trash?'. He turns to his fellow-passenger and tells him 'to me, everything about being a Jew is perfect. We own the banks, run the economy, and are all rich!'. You may friend, CLAYFILMS, are living in la la land, and should take your anti-semitic leanings elsewhere. -
okay..i guess i'm just hallucinating. i just imagine that crown heights/central brooklyn residents are terrorized by crime everyday and when asked for increased police presence are told that the city has no money and has to cut back. but somehow money magically appeared to pay for 24/7 policing over the past 5 days in this neighborhood. and carnivore..the west indian parade is a one day parade..the same amount of policing goes to every major parade in the city. i'm not anti-Semitic...i'm just calling it as i see it. i've lived in this community for over 30 years. FYI..A woman mugged on the corner of Sterling & Park Pl in broad daylight. But unfortunately for her there was no Lubavitcher event happening on that block during that time. http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54430
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CLAYFILMS » okay..i guess i'm just hallucinating. i just imagine that crown heights/central brooklyn residents are terrorized by crime everyday and when asked for increased police presence are told that the city has no money and has to cut back. but somehow money magically appeared to pay for 24/7 policing over the past 5 days in this neighborhood. and carnivore..the west indian parade is a one day parade..the same amount of policing goes to every major parade in the city. i'm not anti-Semitic...i'm just calling it as i see it. i've lived in this community for over 30 years.
I would bet that the costs of policing that one day parade, the biggest event in the city each year by far, exceed anything put into the past few days for this conference, which seems to be under a quite legitimate threat. You can't expect the NYPD to maintain that level of expense every day with their limited resources. -
this might be my last post on this topic. carnivore..the west indian day parade is probably the largest parade in Brooklyn but by no means is it bigger than the macys day parade or saint patricks day parade. and i have no idea how much $$ was spent for 24/7 policing for 4 days..but i'd venture that it might surpass the cost of 24/7 policing for a day-long parade..but maybe i'm wrong but honestly that has nothing to do with why i brought up this question. and maybe i haven't made myself clear and i apologize for that. i'm not mad at the NYPD seeking to protect the Lubavitchers against a clear and present threat of danger. i'm just frustrated at the inability of the 77th precinct to "find resources" to police the residential areas of central brooklyn on a consistent basis. they have a history of being extremely reactionary (ie huge towers along nostrand/franklin aves and random "sweeps" AFTER someone is murdered) but never proactive (ie beat cops walking throughout the community) when it comes to community policing.
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Well, if its the corner I'm thinking of, they have police presence 27/7/365. It's the threat of sudden violence between the two sects of Hasidim from what I understand. It is, quite frankly, bullshit. IMO."...you can choose the rain....but I choose the sun..." - N. Costa
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