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I went to check out the Brooklyn Gold (277 Gold street) this weekend and I will say that I found the building to be visually appealing, the staff was horrendously unprofessional and disorganized. The views were pretty, and the kitchens and bathrooms were well done (except in one layout) I found the brokers, leasing office, agents whoever they all were to be a complete circus. We went dressed down in jeans and cords but didn't expect the person showing us to be in stretch pants. lol I dunno after that we decided to look elsewhere. Keep in mind a public housing complex is right up the block.
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What's Gold street like? I know the Farragut Houses are down the block, but that's the best way to get to Vinegar Hill and Dumbo, etc. Is it safe to walk down that street at night?
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I rented there in November and they had to be corrected on a number of lease items since they didn't know what they were doing. Now they keep delaying my move-in since the original date because they have no Certificate of Occupancy from the city and I'm stuck with no place to live and my stuff all had to go to storage.Meet me at The Patriot
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Subject: BKLYN gold
Hi, I'm in a similar situation but they have not offered me any compensation. How did you go about doing that? I was supposed to move in on Jan 1, but who knows when that will actually happen!! This experience with BKLYN gold has been awful, and I really hope things take a turn for the better. Good luck, I hope we move in sooner than later! -
Incidently they (Lisa Cohen) told me today that I can't cancel the lease. Considering they couldn't - and can't - abide by their own agreement I find this attitude a little outrageous.Meet me at The Patriot
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uh oh. I signed a lease for feb 1 and am losing sleep at night over whether I will or won't be able to move or not. I don't even know if I should start packing, not to mention whether I'll have a place to live at the end of the month. based on your experiences, I'm thinking this isn't going to happen which is very anxiety inducing!
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thanks for the info piercejames- they are not too accomodating. this whole situation is out of control. kayzi - Hopefully this will be settled by feb 1, but who knows. Did they tell you that they haven't received their CO when you signed the lease? I would have liked to know that when I signed my lease in November. I've been packed up for over a month and have been living a very nomadic lifestyle, so I wouldn't rush on the packing. Let's try to think positive.
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To anyone else that might be reading this and considering the Bklyn Gold building, I have a lovely loft apartment for rent just across Tillary street, next to the Avalon, that's bigger, better value and just as nice as anything this building is offering. And I promise it's available on Feb 1! Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions. I'm not a broker - just an owner that had to move out and would like to rent. Thanks!
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good advice newyork123... FYI don't sweat the uncertainty - I used Dumbo Moving & Storage (718 222 8282) for the move and when I found out I was moving out with no new apt to move into Danny (wonderfully cheerful and accomodating guy) at DM&S offered me 1 month free storage (value 150.00) where my stuff is now. Also the move out of storage - when it does happen - will cost the same as the original move - a very reasonable flat rate of 360..00 plus tip for the 3 excellent movers. I'm staying with friends and the odd hotel when I need a break from mooching. Good luck to all.Meet me at The Patriot
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I talked to Lisa today who said that the owner is confident that the CofO will come through by Feb 1st. My current landlord has thankfully agreed to let us stick around for a month if we need to, so I'm now comforted by the fact that I won't be homeless, but still... it's a pretty stressful situation to have to deal with. I don't know how you've both done it, piercejames and newyork123! I would go crazy!
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Thanks piercejames, you've been more than helpful, because I feel like I'm running out of places to crash! It's also nice to talk to some people in the same boat. Good luck!
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Subject: I AM HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM!!!! UGH BKLYN GOLD!!
I am so thankful to find other people with the same problem. My boyfriend and I were supposed to move in December 19 and we were told they didn't have the CofO and that the move in date would DEFINITELY be Jan2. The holidays were ruined, we had already taken off work thinking we were going to be moving and instead spent the time moving into storage connected to the building. Then it was postponed AGAIN and AGAIN. I asked if they were just picking dates out of the future and finally got the answer I wanted to hear -THEY DON'T KNOW when they'll have the CofO! So I called 311 and was connected to the Buildings Department for NYC, apparently Brooklyn Gold has "A number of Outstanding forms that are preventing them from getting their CofO." I asked them how long this usually takes to resolve and they said "It can either take a really long time or a short while." They weren't able to tell me anything further. We are now homeless, living out of suitcases wherever we can stay, and all our stuff is inconviently in Brooklyn storage when we're staying in Queens. This has been a NIGHTMARE. I didnt even think to ask for the CofO because when you sign a lease that says Dec.19 - one would think it's the truth! I have never been so LIED TO in my entire life! AND I truly do not believe that Feb 1 is going to be the move in date. That's what we were promised for Jan 2 and, as you know, that didn't happen. I say we get a class action suit against them if Feb. 1 doesn't work out. -
Subject: One more thing...
We demanded a copy of the lease and they emailed one to us (a BLANK one...not the one we signed) and it says on there that if 90 DAYS have passed and we haven't lived there for some reason or another, the lease becomes null and void. So we would definitely be able to get our money back if this whole process takes longer than 90 Days. Any information that anyone has would be greatly appreciated -
luna1234 - i'm so sorry to hear about your horrible situation, it's a shame your holidays were ruined over this place. Agree with a class action suit against them, and also appreciate the info about the lease (..90 days). i feel like you are telling my story!! I did the same thing - called 311 to hear that awful news (22 outstanding items, and that this process could take "years"), and asked for a copy of the lease and received a blank one. when i called Gold to ask about the "22 outstanding items" the person on the other end simply told me that the nyc dept of buildings has not updated their information. I just don't know who to believe anymore. they are all trained to say the same line: "we are confident that we will get the CofO by this date." I heard it when they told me they were "confident" about the 15th, and they just said again that they were "confident" about the end of february. I emailed lisa today, and received that info. i feel tricked very silly that i keep believing them. i hope we hear good news, and that 2010 will take a better turn for you soon! good luck.
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Oh my god!!!! I just can't believe this is happening to all of us! I had faith in humankind until this whole experience. And yes, she uses the same line all the time! "We feel it is imminent" makes me want to scream!!! Bottom line, it is most likely illegal to have people sign leases without a CofO. Seriously, that lease took us 2 hours to sign and we did not see anything about lack of CofO. I emailed her the other day begging her to understand that this is not something silly, these are people's HOMES we're talking about - the basic need for shelter! She told me to ask my landlord to extend my current lease (as if it's that simple!) and when I told her I couldnt she told me I should find a sublet for 1/2 month but if I found one for a whole month, that would be fine too... When I read that, I felt the scream coming on again... I'm really trying to stay positive and hope for the best. But it's so hard to trust after all these lies:o( I'll let you know if I hear anything else! Good luck to you too!
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Wow, this is all so overwhelming and frustrating. We can keep our fingers crossed and hope, but that's not a particularly good situation for any of us - regardless of the power of positive thinking. When I signed for the Feb 1 lease, I had to sign a form that said that if, for some reason we weren't able to move in at the designated date, it would move the lease start date and end date forward a month. Did you earlier signers not have to sign that form? That was positioned, when I signed it, as an acknowledgement of their still pending CofO, but presenting with the 99.9% guarantee that it would be a "non-issue". Did you guys not have to sign that form?
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I don't remember signing anything like that. IN FACT, I didn't even know what a CofO was until they told us the building didn't have it. If we're not in by Feb. 1 - I think we're gonna have to get a lawyer but the fact that there's more than one of us, gives more power to the situation. I'm just sorry that I even signed the lease because I can't sign a new one and move till I get out of this one.
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same here - never even knew the term Certificate of Occupancy before this ordeal! I agree - this is a legal matter, and you have literally been without a home for months. If by feb 1st we hear the same story, I have completely lost all faith that our move in is imminent. I requested some type of compensation for this INSANE inconvenience, because they never offered it, and I will be getting a $500 Amex gift card to split between me and my room mate (thanks to piercejames). Better than nothing, but certainly won't cover the costs whatsoever. For those of you who haven't been offered the compensation, ask for it. Even if it's tiny it's still something!
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Subject: same situationrt
another one of us here! same thing happened to me, but even worse: i asked if they had the cert. of occupancy when i viewed the apartment and was told YES! otherwise, i would have never have signed, as this tends to happen very often with new buildings. i called my realtor out on it, but he assured me that it was the management company that lied to him. either way, at this point, i was lied to by someone, and obviously feel betrayed and don't trust anything they tell me at this point, especially after finding this board. have they offered you anything besides the gift card, such as free storage or anything? ---another frustrated renter of 277 gold -
I'm really glad there's this forum, it's making me not feel as lost! We were given 1 free storage room in the building around the block because we couldn't cancel the moving van with such short notice. We were also offered the Amex gift card(500) - that is it. Clearly- Brooklyn Gold is a terrible business. I found the apartment on Craigslist and they had to pay a broker fee to the person who listed the ad. I'm sure they had to do that with all of you. So they've already dished out tons of money AND they are losing an insane amount of money every month not having the apartments occupied. This is what they get for being too eager, getting leases signed before it was legal. I just received the following email from them: "I don’t have any news yet, I actually am hoping to have the good news this week, we have gotten some positive indications. Unfortunately I cant go into further detail." Of course, after everything that's happened, I don't trust this one bit. But I've given them till Feb.1.
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Another one here...my girlfriend and I signed a lease back in November with a move-in date of Jan 30, but after reading all the posts here it looks like that might not happen. My lease at my current apartment ends on Jan 31st, so I'll be homeless if I can't move in on the date we agreed on when I signed my new lease for 277 Gold Street. I can't believe a company would be so horrible to have so many new tenants sign leases if they weren't absolutely sure they would be able to start moving people in. I guess I have 2 more weeks to figure something out if the concierge doesn't have my key when I try to move in 12 days from now. - yet ANOTHER frustrated renter of 277 Gold
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Subject: Same Issue
Hi all, I have been having the same issue. I was supposed to move in early January and they have pushed it to Jan. 15th and now February 1st. I also went to the DOB website, which shows 22 outstanding items needed for their certificate of occupancy. I read the lease and did not see anything regarding a delay in move-in on anything I signed. Kayzi- Can you provide some more information regarding this extra form you had to follow regarding the 90 day occupancy issue. I do not remember signing this form and also find it fishy that they did not want to provide a copy of the lease on the day we signed. I feel a little stupid in not requesting this form; just proves you can't trust a soul. On another not, I am now consulting my lawyer regarding this issue and we should all work on finding others who are in this situation. The storage and $500 card are just not enough compensation for severely alternating lives. If anyone cannot afford legal help, you can get free legal advice the NYC regarding housing situations. Just dial 311 and they will give you the information and address of the downtown Brooklyn office you need to visit. I am now "confident" that February 1st is a phantom date and will doing everything in my power to make them remedy this situation. Good luck to all! -
Before signing the lease, we asked for a copy to review beforehand. According to the copy I have (which should be exactly like the paper copy we signed), there's an inability to move in clause which states: 6. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO MOVE IN A situation could arise which might prevent Owner from letting You move into the Apartment on the beginning date set in this Lease. If this happens for reasons beyond Owner’s reasonable control, Owner will not be responsible for Your damages or expenses, and this Lease will remain in effect. However, in such case, this Lease will start on the date when You can move in, and the ending date in Article 2 will be changed to a date reflecting the full term of years set forth in Article 2. You will not have to ay rent until the move-in date Owner gives You by written notice, or the date You move in, whichever is earlier. If Owner does not give you notice that the move-in date is within 30 days after the beginning date of the term of this Lease as stated in Article 2, You may tell Owner in writing, that Owner has 15 additional days to let You move in, or else the Lease will end. If Owner does not allow You to move in within those additional 15 days, then the Lease is ended. Any money paid by You on account of this Lease will then be refunded promptly by Owner. While it's debatable what's within the Owner's "reasonable control", it's comforting to know that we only have to wait 45 days before the lease is null and void instead of 90 days as someone else posted earlier. I'm curious to see if the Management office will even attempt to contact us to inform us they don't even have the C of O and don't anticipate obtaining it until after our lease start date. I think they have an obligation to inform all potential tenants ahead of time to allow for ample preparation; if I have to wait to find out until Jan 30th, they are going to be extremely sorry for their lack of consideration.
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and another here... I was suppose to move in on Jan 30th... but after reading all the postings I am really concerned now. I checked with the leasing office and of course no real answer. "We are optimistic for next week and confident about your move-in date". blah blah blah I already have scheduled the movers and furniture delivery as well as cable etc. I highly doubt that Jan 30th will work. It seems there are some serious problem that they cannot fix it. Also I think it's really shady that they deny a copy of the lease as well as provide their tenants with updates and more important sufficient notice. This is all very frustrating... especially since they keep showing apartments and having people sign leases.
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might be time to contact one of those silly "Shame on you" media segments. Channel 5?I am told one can respect the beliefs of others, without ratifying them.
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I too feel stupid for not getting a copy of the lease I signed, and have learned my lesson to *never*, ever be the canary in a coal mine again. I know new buildings pretty typically have delayed openings and are slowed in getting their certificates for various reasons. The leasing office told me that the C0fO had been denied in December because of a faulty boiler -- the heat wasn't working, so they couldn't let the Jan 1st tenants move in. That had been fixed, and it clearly had since it was scaldingly hot in the leasing office while I was there, and he said that it was now just a matter of getting the paperwork cleared through the Department of Buildings. This was on January 2nd. I wonder if there are this many of us on this board alone, how many displaced (or soon to be displaced) tenants are there out there? @friction123 -- I'm embarrassed that I don't remember more about the form I signed. But basically it was a short 1 page form that said something to the effect of the language cited above. It agreed that if the landlord were not able to have tenants move in on the agreed Feb 1st lease start date, that the lease terms would move forward to March 1st. I wish I had the paperwork in front of me, because I can't remember the exact specifics otherwise. Did anyone else sign this form?
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Ok, here's a copy of my Construction Rider that states the 90 Day thing I spoke about earlier. ALSO, interesting point I didn't read...they have the right to charge us an annual rent increase since it's a new construction. I should have taken the lease home and read it thoroughly:o( CONSTRUCTION RIDER This is an agreement between the Tenant(s) named above and Brooklyn Tillary LLC as Landlord for the above referenced unit. We are offering this apartment on a future-ready basis. If, for any reason, the current construction work is not completed in the above referenced apartment by the commencement date of the lease, Tenant(s) agrees and acknowledges that the Landlord will modify the lease term to reflect a new start and ending date, The new start date will be commensurate with the first date the Landlord deems the apartment complete and available for move in purposes. Owner will give You notice (which for this purpose includes oral or electronic notice) of the date that You can move in. The Landlord, Managing Agent and all outside agents and parties shall be held harmless from any and all inconveniences, damages, costs and expenses incurred by Tenant(s) related to the above circumstances. However, in the event that any delay in the new start date of the lease exceeds ninety (90) days from the original commencement date of the lease, Tenant(s) may give Landlord thirty (30) days notice that Tenant(s) intends to cancel the lease and Tenant(s) shall be relieved and discharged from the lease. TAX BENEFITS RIDER #1 TO LEASE (SECTION 421-A REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW) IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 421-A OF THE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW AND SECTION 2522.5 (e) (2) OF THE RENT STABILIZATION CODE, THE PARTIES CONFIRM THAT YOU WILL BE CHARGED A 421-A MONTHLY RENT INCREASE. THIS SEPARATE MONTHLY CHARGE COMMENCES ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE FIRST LEASE OF THE FIRST TENANT TO TAKE OCCUPANCY OF THE UNIT. ON EACH ANNIVERSARY DATE THE 421-A CHARGE WILL INCREASE AN ADDITIONAL 2.2% (CUMULATIVE- NOT TO EXCEED 19.8%) OF THE INITIAL RENT OF THE UNIT'S FIRST TENANT. IT IS AGREED AND UNDERSTOOD THAT UPON RENEWAL OF THIS LEASE THE LANDLORD MAY IN ADDITION TO THE 2.2% INCREASE SET FORTH HEREIN, OBTAIN IN ADDITION, ANY OTHER LEGAL INCREASES AS PERMITTED BY THE RENT STABILIZATION LAW, THE RENT STABILIZATION CODE AND THE RENT GUIDELINES BOARD. THE TENANT AGREES TO PAY SUCH 421-A 2.2% INCREASES COMMENCING THE FIRST DAY OF EACH ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE INITIAL LEASE FOR THIS APARTMENT. The Anniversary Month For Your Unit Is: The Initial 421-A 2.2% Monthly Charge: $0.00 Your Current Monthly 421-A Charge Is: $0.00 Your 421-A Annual Increase Is 2.2% of $__3612____________
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Thanks Luna. That's the same form I was referring to.
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Well considering that there were about 60 pages of legalese requiring initials and signatures not to mention a dozen or more riders that override the lease proper agreement - combined with the BG lease agent Micheala scrambling around like a headless chicken trying to figure out what lease amount (Gross, Net Effective, Rent Stabalized/Controlled) to insert in the various parts of every form it's a wonder any of us has any idea at all what's going on.Meet me at The Patriot
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I think the compensation needs to be stepped up. $100 a day was offered to Avalon Fort Greene residents when they're move-ins were pushed back. I guess we all chose the wrong block. It is clear they are not going to have this CO by February 1st. I would have been fine with stating that the problem could take awhile. The nerve-racking issue is the short notice they are giving, as of it is easy to just sublet and find a place to rest in NYC; I guess Lisa does not have that issue in Long Island. The DOB is a small NYC department and is ill equipped to provide quick turnarounds on issues such as this one; and that is assuming Brooklyn Gold is not the reason for the bottleneck! ______________________ "Knowledge will give you power, but character respect"
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what a joke. this just keeps getting worse and worse. i checked in and still nothing today. i have been offered free storage and movers from storage to bklyn gold whenever it might be ready...did anyone else get this offer? are you getting this in addition to the gift card? we should all be demanding the same thing...and more. as for the ones that are consulting a lawyer, there is nothing we can do, right? besides wait it out...my lease also says 90, not 30 days, before a refund comes.
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Free storage should be taken with grain of salt. It costs them a whopping $1 to store your stuff for one month and not much more thereafter.
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What bothers me most is that I've tried looking for other places and none come close to the price range that Brooklyn Gold offers for a 2bed 2bath w/ washer dryer. Maybe that's why they act so nonchalant about the whole thing...because they know they can easily get other tenants. To give all this up after going through the whole search and signing is really bothersome. Then I remind myself what a nightmare this is and how much I hate them and their phony weekly doses of optimism...
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Well it's good that we are at least writing about it and giving some warning to those considering the place. When you google "BKLYN Gold" this message board is the 7th hit, and hopefully people who are debating this place will do some research first. There is no way I'd sign a lease if I read some of the things we've been saying. Until they give us our homes, long live the trash talking.
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This is on Brownstoner today, too. http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2010/01/delays_at_bklyn.php
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What a hot mess. I'd call 311 and file complaints. If they are this bad now, how will they be as a management company and landlord? luna, the prices are fairly good no doubt. if the prices on their site are accurate, you could move 20 blocks East and pay almost $1000 less. And non-management company landlords who treat you as a person and don't raise the rent as a matter of course. That is if you are not committed to the area and you don't care about the pool.
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hi all - I signed a lease for BKLYN Gold back on November 18th, with a scheduled move-in date of November 30th. While they originally did tell me (thanks to my broker being insistent) that they didn't have the C/O yet they expected it within the week that I signed and all but guaranteed that I would be moving in on the 30th. Needless to say, its now almost February and they still will not let me move in or give me a reasonable timeframe as to when the C/O is going to go through. This process has been extremely frustrating and Lisa & company over at BKLYN Gold have been extremely unhelpful (and forgetful....). All in all this has been an extremely frustrating experience and I have learned my lesson. I also did a bit of research and the management company that runs the place, Lalezarian (or however you spell it... it's Lisa's family's company) has a bit of a shady history in Long Island. Wish I had looked this stuff up beforehand.
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I'm curious to hear how various individuals are being compensated as a result of this inconvenience. From what I've read so far, it sounds like the following is standard: - $500 AmEx gift card - free storage next to Bklyn Gold - moving fees from storage to Bklyn Gold apt on move-in date Is anyone else getting something additional (e.g. free rent, hotel room, etc)?
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Soon we'll have enough people in this forum to go picket in front of Brookyn Gold. The story thickens with every post... I had originally asked them for hotel or some type of per diem to pay rent elsewhere. I was told that was completely out of the question. We also asked for another free month and were shot down. Though Lisa has been generally communicative, I feel as if I'm being treated inhuman, with indifferent responses, like this isn't a big deal and I should just deal with it. I wish I had the freedom to start looking for a new place to live but if I find something else, I can't even sign a lease because I already signed with Brooklyn Gold!
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You posted you could get out of it after 90 days and no occupancy. "We demanded a copy of the lease and they emailed one to us (a BLANK one...not the one we signed) and it says on there that if 90 DAYS have passed and we haven't lived there for some reason or another, the lease becomes null and void. So we would definitely be able to get our money back if this whole process takes longer than 90 Days. " And waiting around until March 15 does not sound like an appealing plan at all. Is what they are doing really legal? Is there no other way to get out of the lease based on all of this? I hope you find an answer soon. I cannot imagine being in such limbo and dealing with such frustrating situations. What does 311 say about it?
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I really can't live this way till March 15. Feb.1 is lawyer time.
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It's getting more and more absurd. The compensation that they offer for this nightmare is ridiculous. What upsets me the most is the denial of the facts from their side and their unwillingness to provide us with our signed leases. There must be a way out. And they keep on having people sign new leases... I hope this blog will help to make people aware of this company and the way it treats its tenants.
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I signed on Nov. 18th, and on that same day I asked them to email me a copy of the same contract as well. I just looked over that contract again and it is identical to the one that I asked for last week - the construction rider and everything else is still in there.
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We went to sign our lease and the sales agent was so damn rude...we walked across the street to the Avalon. Reading these stories...thank God. That was in December. I can't believe they aren't allowing you guys to move in. Found out the Brooklyn Gold was trying to get a higher deposit than advertised by telling people they don't have good credit. That whole scenario is a sham. About 8 of the people who were in the sales office at Brooklyn Gold that day live in the Avalon with us...they will never believe this story. Sorry this is happening, you guys should call Channel 7 News or something. This is real life, not a game.
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doesn't seem to be the first time this is happening to that developer: http://curbed.com/archives/2006/10/18/just_looking_for_a_casa_to_call_home.php sounds familar?
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I found this article in the New York Post dated Jan 14th with the following quote from Lisa Cohen: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/residential/down_shift_iyhd516RZ6sroIISLxQxSN “We’ve had a tremendous response,” says Lisa Cohen, a manager with Lalezarian Properties, which is opening BKLYN Gold, a two-building, 512-unit rental complex on Gold Street. Studios start at $1,825, one-bedrooms at $2,220 and two-bedrooms at $2,860, with incentives including five months’ free rent on a 24-month lease. The leasing office has been “opened for two months and 1,100 customers have come through. We’ve gotten over 100 applications,” Cohen says. I wonder how many of those 100 applications have led to signed leases. There haven't been any comments posted yet on this article about how Brooklyn Gold has been pushing back their move-in dates due to a lack of CofO. I wonder if the New York Post might be interested to learn about this.
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I think NY Post should know about that "success" story as well.
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NY1 does a segment where they help individuals who are in trouble - it's called "NY1 for You": http://www.ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-news-content/features/ny1_for_you/. They have conducted many investigative studies on complaints from viewers and appear to help push things along or resolve them completely from the public pressure. Need Help From NY1 For You? If you'd like "NY1 For You" to look into a problem, call our 24-hour helpline at 1-212-379-3599 or send an email to ny1foryou@ny1.com. Anyone else interested in making this a public issue? I think there's power in numbers and a higher likelihood of a response from NY1 if there are a lot of us who contact them.
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BTW Lisa Cohen is the daughter of Frank Lalazarian the developeer and Cohen is her married name. I suggest you all start asking for Lisa Lalazarian & refer to her as Ms. Lalazarian when you call her just to rattle her up. You might mention they did exactly the same thing - promise when there was in fact no CofO and tenants were prevented from moving in - in 2006 at another of their new constructions 155 West 21st Street in Chelsea. It appears their regular marketing practice is to rent the entire building out whether it's ready to go or not - and TO HELL with the people who agree in good faith to sign and pay up front (in cashier's checks I might add).Meet me at The Patriot
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