Uh oh.. with all the drunk fights we have on 4th ave, there is ANOTHER nightclub

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The Psycho-ologist
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I walked by Los Tres Petrillos, tonight and saw that they already had put up signs indicating that it was going to be some type of "gentleman's" style club, barely masquerading as a sports/nightclub. I am saying this judging by the most prominent two pieces of signage which both have women in provocative poses in "nude silhouette/profile" style. I am just afraid that more drunkenness, knife fights and shenanigans will ensue. I have already run across several overdosed and or badly beaten men laying in the streets along 4th avenue, in the last 4 months, when I have gotten up early enough to go to the gym 5:30 am).

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# Posted 8 mos ago
armchair_warrior
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hey it could be worse :p, could be turn into a drunken secret bordello. seriously that sucks man. I'm sure there is ordinance for against strip clubs.

Have a guy friend go undercover and bang to see the insides and call the buildings department fire department etc...:p.

make sure he'll fit in lol.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Is this the place that became Moonlight Diner which is closed for renovations or something?

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# Posted 8 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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Rosita said:
Is this the place that became Moonlight Diner which is closed for renovations or something?

Yes that is the same place. I never saw them do much business as a restaurant, but a strip bar, or at least shady looking nightclub, is guaranteed to bring all sorts of negative traffic to these parts.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
homeowner
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The strip club ordinance in 1995 relocated all strip clubs in NYC to a few areas. One of the neighborhoods that was a recipient of a lot of those places was Sunset Park below 4th Avenue which was zoned for manufacturing, industrial, commercial and had only limited residential areas at the time.

The neighborhoods have changed significantly, but folks shouldn't be surprised if they stumble across the champagne room at an establishment or two.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Well that is certainly an inappropriate addition to the area in light of the recent sexual assaults. And there are several schools located nearby. I think it's time to contact CM Gonzalez and CB7 on this one.
I have seen shady places on 3rd Ave but I did not think they were allowed on 4th Ave.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Here are some key email addresses

CM Sara Gonzalez gonzalez@council.nyc.ny.us

BP Marty Markowitz askmarty@brooklynbp.nyc.gov

communityboard7@yahoo.com

Can you post a picture of the sign here? and/or email these folks with a picture of the sign? I think if we get some electeds on our side we can stop it. I think they are violating something here. I think there is a day care center right nearby too. It is totally the wrong place for this sort of thing for a lot of reasons.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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OK I just went over there. It looks worse than what I imagined.
It's called Bar90Grados (90 Degrees Bar)
There are big drawings of prostitute looking women

A sign says (in Spanish) Come and enjoy the hottest place in New York in the company of beautiful girls.

Location is 1004 4th Ave on the Corner of 39 St across from the TD Bank, between a middle school and an elementary school, and NEXT DOOR to Tita and Tito Day Care Center!
2 Blocks from a 24 hour McDonalds so you know where some of the clientele are going to end up all hours of the night, God knows in what condition.

While I was there I saw two residents looking at it and complaining.
I really think something should be done about this and quickly. I will make my share of phone calls/emails. Would anyone be interested in making or handing out flyers to people in the area with the contact info I posted above, telling them to complain?

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# Posted 8 mos ago
scarlett
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Did you take pictures? I really want to see what "prostitute looking women" look like.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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You are an idiot.

scarlett said:
Did you take pictures? I really want to see what "prostitute looking women" look like.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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Right back at you- so no pics? I have to walk down there?

# Posted 8 mos ago
scarlett
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You even requested a pic of the sign!

# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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Psycho-ologist: I am just afraid that more drunkenness, knife fights and shenanigans will ensue. I have already run across several overdosed and or badly beaten men laying in the streets

Gentlemen's Clubs tend to have pretty heavy security don't they, so couldn't this possibly help the situation?

rosita: Location is... between a middle school and an elementary school, and NEXT DOOR to Tita and Tito Day Care Center!

This location is going to probably lead to some pointed questions to parents from kids. I know any number of NY-ers that grew up in a pre-Guliani NYC (St. Marks place in the 80's anyone?) and we all have survived to be mostly well balanced people. Heck, in my childhood you could still see actual prostitutes instead of just pictures of prostitute-looking women.

rosita: Well that is certainly an inappropriate addition to the area in light of the recent sexual assaults.

I would love to see evidence that strip clubs have any impact on sexual assaults. Or any correlation at all.

Did you take pictures? I really want to see what "prostitute looking women" look like.

I'm so with you there Scarlett.

As a side note, I'm not sure why I am so defending the presence of a strip club except that maybe puritanical, sanctimonious responses make me gag.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Why don't you invite them to your neighborhood?
I have seen real live prostitutes too. That is not the point. I don't care about the "statistics" about strip clubs/rapes, I am talking about disrespect towards women and children in a mostly people of color, family-heavy neighborhood and I am getting sick of it.
Around the corner from my house is a little so-called taco place that has featured scantily clad waitresses and only seems to have male customers, that get heavily drunk and wander out into the street, bothering kids and women doing their laundry next door, urinating and worse in public. There have been shootings and stabbings, at least one death, because the customers get into fights over the attentions of the "waitresses". Who knows how many of these women have been human-trafficked.
God forbid anyone should talk about "morality" and I'm so sorry it gets you upset. Why don't you focus on the topic as opposed to throwing labels at people.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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Rosita,
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. It sounds like they are fully zoned for it, maybe if people from the community came to them nicely they could work with the area and, say, cover up the prostitute looking women during school hours? But getting a group together with pitchforks seems pretty reactionary.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Could you please stop insulting me because you disagree with me? Thank you.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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Rosita,
It was never my intention to insult you. I am sorry.

You do realize that you called Scarlett an idiot and then are complaining about my insults to you?

Either way, I really did not mean to insult you.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Idlewild
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Actually, strip clubs usually keep a very tight grip on security and bedlam. Especially since they have to go through hoops and hurdles to open, and even more red tape to get a liquor license. After all that, they're pretty much under the microscope of the local civic groups and politicos, so they know not to fuck u, or they will be set upon like a falling brick wall. And ironically, whether Rosita intentionally or unintentionally pointed out, human trafficking is a big problem with a lot of businesses. Mostly restaurants and illegal prostitution which usually occur in the ethnic specific neighborhoods (for the latter).

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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It was the context in which that person made their remark that I felt was really stupid, was trivializing the whole issue.
The mod warned me. But that is how I felt.

tateinbk said:
Rosita,
It was never my intention to insult you. I am sorry.

You do realize that you called Scarlett an idiot and then are complaining about my insults to you?

Either way, I really did not mean to insult you.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
curlygirl
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I think it's grand that people who live in Crown Heights are telling us how fine and dandy it is to have a strip club down the street. Sure, it's legal. Yes, it may be safe. But do you want one down the block from you? No, not theoretically, practically? Really? And, since you're not from the area, you probably don't know this location: it's in a really prominent location, not tucked away in an industrial wasteland. 24-hour diner seems appropriate for the location. Strip club? Ugh. I don't want that as a defining presence in my neighborhood, sorry.

Rosita, I'm with you. I walk by there pretty often, and I'll be happy to take a picture, contact Sara Gonzalez and the CB 7, and let them know what I think.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Thanks a lot. I found a different email address for Sara Gonzalez so maybe the one I posted above was wrong. It is sgonzalez@council.nyc.gov. Her phone is 718-439-9012. I would urge you to share the email addresses I posted above with any of your neighbors that might be concerned. I emailed CM Gonzalez, BP Markowitz and the Community Board. I think it is best to first email then follow up with a phone call. Be sure to send your contact phone number in yr email bec they usually like to get back to people via phone.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Also if you know anyone who lives on that block and is upset they can contact NY1 because that would make an interesting story for them. They have a helpline.
ny1foryou@ny1.com, phone 212-379-3599.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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tateinbk said:

Psycho-ologist: I am just afraid that more drunkenness, knife fights and shenanigans will ensue. I have already run across several overdosed and or badly beaten men laying in the streets

Gentlemen's Clubs tend to have pretty heavy security don't they, so couldn't this possibly help the situation?

rosita: Location is... between a middle school and an elementary school, and NEXT DOOR to Tita and Tito Day Care Center!

This location is going to probably lead to some pointed questions to parents from kids. I know any number of NY-ers that grew up in a pre-Guliani NYC (St. Marks place in the 80's anyone?) and we all have survived to be mostly well balanced people. Heck, in my childhood you could still see actual prostitutes instead of just pictures of prostitute-looking women.

rosita: Well that is certainly an inappropriate addition to the area in light of the recent sexual assaults.

I would love to see evidence that strip clubs have any impact on sexual assaults. Or any correlation at all.

Did you take pictures? I really want to see what "prostitute looking women" look like.

I'm so with you there Scarlett.

As a side note, I'm not sure why I am so defending the presence of a strip club except that maybe puritanical, sanctimonious responses make me gag.

I am not sure about what you are saying. The patrons have to leave that club eventually, and while the immediate perimeter of the club may be safe, these men leave the place drunk, and possibly hard up. I know from living in Jackson heights/corona where there were a lot of these "night clubs", that knife fights, cops being called and drunken lewdness, urine, vomit, prostitution are sure to follow.

Also in regards to your "idyllic childhood" were places like this didn't bother you: I don't know if you are a woman, but nothing makes a lone woman walking home at night feel more unsafe than cat-calling drunken men, or hard up men beeping at them in slow moving cars. Places like this are sure to attract men that do all sorts of stuff like that.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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curlygirl said:
I think it's grand that people who live in Crown Heights are telling us how fine and dandy it is to have a strip club down the street. Sure, it's legal. Yes, it may be safe. But do you want one down the block from you? No, not theoretically, practically? Really? And, since you're not from the area, you probably don't know this location: it's in a really prominent location, not tucked away in an industrial wasteland. 24-hour diner seems appropriate for the location. Strip club? Ugh. I don't want that as a defining presence in my neighborhood, sorry.

Rosita, I'm with you. I walk by there pretty often, and I'll be happy to take a picture, contact Sara Gonzalez and the CB 7, and let them know what I think.

YES!!!! This area is NOT an industrial wasteland. That is 2nd and 3rd avenue. This is on FOURTH AVENUE a busy thoroughfare with TWO elementary/Jr high schools within 1 block and MANY residential buildings surrounding the club. This is a block MANY young women will have to walk on in order to get home from the train station at night.

It is highly unfortunate and I will be contacting my assembly man and community board.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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Idlewild said:
Actually, strip clubs usually keep a very tight grip on security and bedlam. Especially since they have to go through hoops and hurdles to open, and even more red tape to get a liquor license. After all that, they're pretty much under the microscope of the local civic groups and politicos, so they know not to fuck u, or they will be set upon like a falling brick wall. And ironically, whether Rosita intentionally or unintentionally pointed out, human trafficking is a big problem with a lot of businesses. Mostly restaurants and illegal prostitution which usually occur in the ethnic specific neighborhoods (for the latter).

Sorry Idlewild but I will respectfully disagree with you. The clubs protect their IMMEDIATE VICINITY nothing else, yet they draw bad patrons who wander round the corner, urinate, vomit, harass women, etc. I lived in Corona with similar problems. Once the patron's leave the club and the sidewalk of the club, the owners of the club are NOT liable, however, they are complicit in bringing the dangers to the neighborhood. Think about how many Lower East Side residents living on side streets a few feet away from bars and clubs complain about the patrons wandering down the block and then peeing, or passing out on their stoops. The bars don't care because its not on their immediate premises, so it's NOT their fault.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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As someone who has lived around the corner from a smaller but similar place for 10 years, I can say that all of that is going to happen in the area that surrounds this bar. I am getting sick and tired of how Sunset Park gets dumped on.
< The patrons have to leave that club eventually, and while the immediate perimeter of the club may be safe, these men leave the place drunk, and possibly hard up. I know from living in Jackson heights/corona where there were a lot of these "night clubs", that knife fights, cops being called and drunken lewdness, urine, vomit, prostitution are sure to follow.

Also in regards to your "idyllic childhood" were places like this didn't bother you: I don't know if you are a woman, but nothing makes a lone woman walking home at night feel more unsafe than cat-calling drunken men, or hard up men beeping at them in slow moving cars. Places like this are sure to attract men that do all sorts of stuff like that.

It's so hard to be a saint in the city.

# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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Dear Psycho-ologist,

In my response to you I was simply looking for the most optimistic response in relation to the situation you brought up. In suggesting that gentlemen's clubs tend to have good security it really was my intention to find the only silver lining.

in regards to your "idyllic childhood"

I was unaware I called my childhood idyllic, I was simply pointing out that it is possible to around less than ideal situations and come out unscathed.

While being catcalled is certainly not nice and the honking is beyond obnoxious, there are times when I have felt far more unsafe when there is absolutely no one around. The presence of security/doormen even if the bar is shady, have given me a feeling of a little more security than no one. I see that you feel differently.

I understand as well that I have shown a bit of hypocrisy. I accused Rosita of showing a reactionary response that seemed a bit like "gather your torches and pitchforks and kill the Beast". Her response (seemed to me) to revolve around her distaste for the way the place looked and the profession rather than the safety issues you brought up. My hypocrisy came in my own reactionary response to her posting.

I have been accused of being insulting when I did not mean to. The idea has also been expressed that since I live in an entirely different neighborhood I should say nothing on this topic. Due to this, I bow out. I honestly wish you the best of luck in getting this business removed.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Not to beat a dead horse, but in my posting I mentioned the proximity of two schools and a McDonald's and I expressed concern for the safety and security of young people and women in the area.
Thank you for your humility. In the future I suggest you not judge a person you do not even know. And I will be so bold as to say that you (and others on this board) have NO IDEA what it is like to live in this neighborhood. We are the dumping ground of Brooklyn, not just in this sense but also with a bus depot and other facilities that give off pollution, unsafe street crossings where children walk every single day and so forth. One gets tired of complaining, of trying to explain, but it becomes a way of life.
It is fine to have an opinion but it is more respected if you do your research first.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
scarlett
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Um, ahem......... you totally judged and insulted me and you don't know me. Pot? Kettle.

While I wouldn't venture a guess at percentage, I do know for a fact that not all exotic dancers or strippers also hook, so calling the (alleged) paintings on the new club "prostitute looking" is insulting and judgmental of those dancers.

I agree that this geographic area may not be the best location for a strip club, but your treatment of people in this discussion leaves something to be desired.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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Sorry you feel that way. I don't even know where to start.
1. I did not say any dancer or stripper was a prostitute on the side. I ventured an opinion, based on past experience that this kind of place attracts prostitution.
2. If you had bothered to actually look at this place, you would have seen that the pictures outside the bar are drawings, ie not real photos. How can you be judgemental of a cartoon? I cannot convey how it looks without a camera, which I don't have. Which is why I asked someone with a camera to take a pic so pics could be sent to the elected officals and Community Board. Then you made your comment about wanting to see what "prostitute-looking women" looked like. Which I felt was a silly and trivializing comment. Sorry I INSULTED you!!! Sorry I INSULTED CARTOONS!!! I am so sorry!! BUt I do not like being trivialized. Don't you have better things to do?
Obviously there is no chemistry between the two of us. I am a pretty blunt person when it comes to certain things, I keep it real. Some can handle it, you cannot. I guess not everyone is for everyone in this world. So I will ignore you from now on.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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Rosita said:
You are an idiot.

No personal attacks or I'll have to lock & delete the thread.

Thanks

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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I have gotten a response from CM Sarah Gonzalez' office requesting more info about the place. All I could provide was the address and the phone number from the old menu when it was a restaurant. If anyone knows anything further, i.e. who the owner is, or if they know someone who lives on that block, please contact her office. The person who wrote to me is Miguel Hernandez, email mhernandez2@council.nyc.gov

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# Posted 8 mos ago
eng
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Cell phone pictures of the establishment windows taken yesterday, there is a phone number.

# Posted 8 mos ago
scarlett
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I can't see the drawings of hookers. Field trip is in order.

# Posted 8 mos ago
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scarlett said:
I can't see the drawings of hookers. Field trip is in order.

if you happen to sample :p the merchandise give a review here.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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Scarlett, if you go on a field trip, would you please bring back pictures of the drawings of hookers? I know that would make me very happy.

# Posted 8 mos ago
scarlett
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Oh good - Brownstoner did my homework for me.

# Posted 8 mos ago
whynot_31
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indeed.

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/09/gentlemans-style-club-opening-in-sunset-park/#disqus_thread

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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whynot_31 said:
indeed.

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/09/gentlemans-style-club-opening-in-sunset-park/#disqus_thread

Those are "prostitute looking" women? C'mon. Those caricatures are right out of an early 1960's fashion magazine. Strictly lounge lizard stuff. You'll see more skin and provocative imagery on family sitcoms. Ho's?! More like hostesses. PG at that.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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I was responding to Scarlett. She wanted photos, and I was stating "yup, Brownstoner has gotten some for you"

I agree with you, the advertising says to me that this is a place you could meet a woman who is showing her figure, but such images and attire can not be reliably associated with prostitution.

Case in point: The Soca dancers who performed in the recent West Indian Day Parade; many are employed as nurses and city employees.

Conclusion, a woman's attire is sometimes a lousy way to determine their occupation. If you make the wrong assumption, you may get slapped.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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I'm just responding to the Prostitute Looking Women thing in the first post, not you specifically W31. It doesn't mean I'm judging the book by its cover. But, if you (the OP) bring up a subject as part of your argument, be prepared to have it scrutinized and be very prepared to back it up.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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I just hope everyone is very careful in deciding whether they should offer the women that go to this club money.

....such a decision could end very badly.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
armchair_warrior
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whynot_31 said:
I just hope everyone is very careful in deciding whether they should offering the women that go to this club money.

...such a decision could end very badly.

speaking from experience hey :p.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
whynot_31
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AW-
I understand that there are places where one is less at risk of guessing wrong, but other dangers are present.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
tateinbk
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I'm so disappointed in the prostitute looking women. You see ladies less covered up on the streets in NYC on a Friday or Saturday.

Does it seem like they will offer breakfast and lunch? Not being a strip club frequenter I wouldn't know, but is that usual? Or is the sign offering breakfast just a devious front for illicit night time activities?

# Posted 8 mos ago
curlygirl
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The awning is old. Tate -- at the CB meeting, we'll suggest that the owner of this business relocate it to Crown Heights, where the residents will be welcoming to such an establishment.

# Posted 8 mos ago
Rosita
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If you don't read Spanish and you don't live in Sunset Park you do not understand the kind of place this is.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
whynot_31
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Don't we have to wait to see if they do something illegal before we ban them?

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# Posted 8 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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Its nice for some folks to sit around and mock women who are concerned about a gentleman's club opening. Its even better when some of the posters don't have to LIVE around here or walk through the detritus, associated with these places. Im the OP and I KNOW that I specifically expressed concerns about the CLIENTELE that may be attracted to this type of place and the things that those clientele would do AFTER they left the establishment and went to their cars, or drunkenly walked home, but I guess no one actually READS anymore before they flame folks for judging, but who am I to judge those who judge my post without reading it.

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# Posted 8 mos ago
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Idlewild said:
Those are "prostitute looking" women? C'mon. Those caricatures are right out of an early 1960's fashion magazine. Strictly lounge lizard stuff. You'll see more skin and provocative imagery on family sitcoms. Ho's?! More like hostesses. PG at that.

It's Hilarious that you can't seem to get the thrust of my post even if its in the title (CLUE): Uh Oh with all the drunk fights we have ...another nightclub

Which do you think is my main concern? The fact that the club may or may not be legal, if the women that will work there are prostitutes OR the worry over the kind of clientele that will come to the place?

Hmm, I wonder which group I mentioned most during my post? Hmm ... the mysteries astound do they

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# Posted 8 mos ago