Beer hall coming to 4th Ave. in Slope

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whynot_31
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Last night Community Board 6′s permits committee approved a full liquor license for a 4,000-square-foot beer hall at 84 St. Marks Place, off of 4th Avenue. The bar will hold 200 people, have 30 German draft beers, and an indoor grill serving simple, Cologne-style German food. It’s going to be run by the current manager of Der Schwarze Kölner on Fulton Street in Fort Greene. The space, which is all indoors, will be open from 2 p.m. into the evening on weekdays, and from 12 p.m. on weekends for brunch

source: http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/10/a-restaurant-planned-for-84-st-marks-place/#disqus_thread

mmmm, beer and sausage for brunch

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Mamacita
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4th ave is so hot!

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# Posted 1 yr ago
roux42
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Awesome!

# Posted 1 yr ago
nomad
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Yay!

# Posted 1 yr ago
petitchou
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Stadium blowback. Not good for the hood. These giant sports bars are proliferating. Not awesome, IMHO.

# Posted 1 yr ago
jeffrey
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Not a sports bar. Not stadium blowback.

This place would be opening on 5th Avenue (or 7th, some years back before that) if the rent were feasible.

4th Avenue needs to develop neighborhood amenities and have more people on the sidewalks instead of being a desolate strip of iron-gate storefronts.

The traffic will always be there as downtown, area neighborhoods and Manhattan absolutely need major arteries serving it instead of sending big trucks and higher volumes passing through smaller neighborhood streets.

With restaurants it will be more like 1st, 2nd and 3rd avenues in Manhattan. Busy streets but every bit of shopping and restaurants have made those avenues far more attractive and useful to the public and served the massive shift of people in recent decades back to living in cities. If people in all the new apartment buildings on 4th etc. were not offset by more local restaurants, shopping and other amenities people would complain even more about how overcrowded everything has become in the Slope.

But all that is beside the point.

This is not a sports bar. It's a great niche German restaurant that happens to serve a great selection of foreign and craft beers.

Like so many of the interesting places that have improved 5th from desolate barrio to what it is today and exactly the sort of thing that makes this NYC and Brooklyn, not Applebees in timbuktu.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
friscopete
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This is great for 4th. Not a sports bar but what sounds like a traditional Bavarian beer house.
I picked a bad time to stop drinking beer

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Der Schwarze Kölner on Fulton Street in Fort Greene is really nice.

I don't think they even have a TV for sports, but they might. It is hard to look for a TV when you are eating a sausage and drinking a large beer.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
jeffrey
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friscopete said:
This is great for 4th. Not a sports bar but what sounds like a traditional Bavarian beer house.
I picked a bad time to stop drinking beer

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# Posted 1 yr ago
dawnc
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Thanks for the heads up! A really good piece of info. This would back onto my garden so I'm happy to hear it doesn't have outdoor space!( Though I am not aversed to supporting a local bar! ) Of course I can hardly complain. I bought my property 3 years ago because the location was a good balance between nice leafy PS and an up and coming hood on 4th. ( Yes I do remember when 5th Ave was a backstreet! )
Can't help wondering if I should cough up for sound proof glass in the new windows we're planning having fitted. Maybe thats a new post...

# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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yeeehawww!

Also, I want to thank everyone for not calling this place by the wrong name (beer GARDEN).

If it is not outdoors, it is not a GARDEN.

Well done everyone.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
shacked26
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Yeah I think any worries that this is going to be a "sports bar" are misguided. Total German beer heaven is more accurate. Although I am sincerely hoping that during World Cup 2014 they put up some projection screens so you can post up all day to drink good German brew and watch the greatest game in the world. That will be bliss.

# Posted 1 yr ago
DanielJ
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@Boygabriel Technically, Beer garden means any big beer drinking establishment, be it indoors or outdoors. Comes from the German biergarten, which means just that. Think kindergarten.. has nothing to do with kids being in a garden.

But I'm just splitting hairs. Beer hall is a better term for it.

# Posted 1 yr ago
MW11215
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are sure about that? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kindergarten

everything i've ever read suggests open air is key to a beer garden.

# Posted 1 yr ago
jeffrey
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As a matter of draught (sorry, this thread makes me thirsty ), whynot's original post actually mentions it to be a beer hall.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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I stop reading anything after Beer.

Beer (_____?_____)

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
jeffrey
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whynot_31 said:
I stop reading anything after Beer.

Beer (_____?_____)

squirrel!

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Yes, when you say Beer to me, I kind of act like the dogs in the the movie, Up.

for clips: http://youtu.be/bBWrMQVsuak

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
PuckBrooklyn
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My question is this: Does the neighborhood really need this? I recently walked by another big "beer garden" place on 3rd ave around 11th street and it was completely empty. While the bar I was going to, Lowlands, had a great local mix going on.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
tateinbk
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DanielJ
@Boygabriel Technically, Beer garden means any big beer drinking establishment, be it indoors or outdoors. Comes from the German biergarten, which means just that. Think kindergarten.. has nothing to do with kids being in a garden.

But I'm just splitting hairs. Beer hall is a better term for it.

Biergarten absolutely has to do with being in a garden. The definition of garten is garden. Traditionally speaking beer gardens (or biergaerten) occur in outdoor areas in the south of Germany, although it has become more countrywide.

In regards to kindergarten, children grow in Kindergarten, as plants would in a regular garden. Another definition would be chilren's garden.

# Posted 1 yr ago
friscopete
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Spent a bit of time in Munich and the distinction is taken very seriously when it comes to what can be called a biergarten. Must be outdoors, Must brew beer on the premesis and the shade must be provided by chestnut trees. There aren't many traditional gardens left and what we have here are more reminiscent of the beer houses you find during October fest. (which is in September but don't tell anyone because they won't believe you)

# Posted 1 yr ago
dw438
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Hmm.
Madison Square Garden.
TD Bank Garden
The Winter Garden Theater
All indoors,no?

# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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dw438 said:
Hmm.
Madison Square Garden.
TD Bank Garden
The Winter Garden Theater
All indoors,no?

I think you missed the explanation or context.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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PuckBrooklyn said:
My question is this: Does the neighborhood really need this? I recently walked by another big "beer garden" place on 3rd ave around 11th street and it was completely empty. While the bar I was going to, Lowlands, had a great local mix going on.

Time will tell. Beer gardens are doing quite well these days.

How long has the third ave one been open? What time of day was it? is it a good beer garden or a crappy bar in a big room?

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# Posted 1 yr ago
friscopete
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"Beer gardens in Germany developed in the kingdom of Bavaria in the 19th century, during which dark lager beer was predominant. According to a decree by King Ludwig I, this had to be brewed during the cold months, since fermentation had to take place at temperatures between 4 and 8 °C. To provide this beer during the summer, large breweries dug cellars in the banks of the River Isar for the storage of beer, to keep it cool. To further reduce the cellar temperature, they covered the banks in gravel and planted chestnut trees, the leaves of which provided shade in summer."

# Posted 1 yr ago
MW11215
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maybe puckbrooklyn is referring to draft barn. which is crowded some days, completely empty others. incredible selection, but the booths are horribly uncomfortable.

# Posted 1 yr ago
PuckBrooklyn
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Yep, I think that's the place. I just couldn't believe it was completely empty on a Thursday night around 9.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
shekb
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Draft Barn does give off that "how do they stay open?" vibe. The beer selection is top notch, but the prices, particularly with a lot of the food, seem a tad high.

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Now open.

http://www.heresparkslope.com/home/2012/8/8/open-for-business-die-koelner-bierhalle-84-st-marks-place.html

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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