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    1. From Gothamist (link below):

      A 55-year-old Brooklyn woman is in a medically-induced coma at Kings County Hospital after she was run down by a racing cyclist in Prospect Park last week, A Walk in the Park reports. The FDNY confirms that Linda Cohen was struck by a speeding bike on November 3rd just before 3 p.m. She had just left the bridle paths and stepped onto West Drive near the Vanderbilt playground when she was struck by a cyclist going south.
      The cyclist, whose name we have not been able to obtain, remained at the scene and refused medical treatment. Cohen, a long-time volunteer at the park, was reportedly conscious when she was taken to the hospital before being sedated and put in the coma she remains in. Sources tell A Walk that the cyclist was a "bike racer."
      When asked about the sad story, a spokesperson for Transportation Alternatives reminds cyclists that, "Bicyclists should always yield to and look out for pedestrians. Our responsibility to others increases in direct proportion to our ability to cause harm on the street."
      Despite all the concerns about the Prospect Park West bike lane and the danger it does or does not present to pedestrians, clearly the interior of the park can be a rough place too. Earlier this summer a petition was put online that aimed to make the park safer for cars, bicyclists and pedestrians. It was started after another pedestrian was struck by a cyclist in the park and suffered a brain injury. At least in both cases the cyclists were decent enough to stick around. A recent study found that bikes hit more pedestrians than had been previously thought.

      http://gothamist.com/2011/11/09/prospect_park_volunteer_in_coma_aft.php

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    2. whynot_31
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      Might be a windfall for a personal injury lawyer.

      With a little luck and skill, they could get a monetary award from the biker and the Park Alliance.

      If the lawyer worked really hard, they might be able to get rules enforced or some kind of an education campaign for bikers and pedestrians.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Unlike motorists, bicyclists are not required to carry personal injury insurance. Trying to collect a judgment from a bicyclist is likely to be an exercise in futility. Not much incentive, then, for enterprising p.i. lawyers.

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      I don't know the average income of the enthusiasts, but they seem (on average) like they might have more money than the average pokey rider. I suspect the bikers with the ultra light $3k bikes and special outfits might have some assets a lawyer could go after.

      I'm sure a good PI lawyer will research the assets of the biker before they consider taking the case.

      On the other hand, I think a PI lawyer that tried to sue the pedestrian on behalf of the biker would have an uphill battle. I imagine that they'd have to show that pedestrians had no expectation of having the right of way in the park, and/or that this pedestrian acted in a way that caused the biker to have no way to avoid hitting them, and/or that the biker was traveling at a speed that was reasonable.

      ...the press rarely covers trivial civil suits, so we will likely never know if this ends up in court.

      Over the next few months, these accidents will decrease as less people use the park due to winter and then increase again come Spring.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Whilst cyclists are not required to have insurance, many New Yorkers have umbrella policies that augment other policies, such as auto, home etc. If the cyclist had one of these, they might face an aggressive PI suit. The outcome of that will depend on a range of factors including whether both parties were in compliance with the applicable road rules. If a cyclist is riding in the correct direction at a legal speed and obeys all traffic signals, s/he likely has a stronger defense than one who runs red lights, is speeding or is riding in the wrong direction.

      If the cyclist has insurance, the insurance company's lawyers will handle the case. Civil juries in real life are much less inclined to make the big awards that we see in the fictional cases on TV and in the movies.

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      Mods, please change the title of this thread to "A Terrific Personal Injury Opportunity - Prospect Park Volunteer In Coma After Being Struck By Cyclist".

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      bohuma » The outcome of that will depend on a range of factors including whether both parties were in compliance with the applicable road rules. If a cyclist is riding in the correct direction at a legal speed and obeys all traffic signals, s/he likely has a stronger defense than one who runs red lights, is speeding or is riding in the wrong direction.

      Bohuma-
      I would imagine it is very difficult to determine to what degree (if any) the biker is culpable. In other words, I'm not sure there are established methods for determining a rate of speed after an accident, like there are for cars. Likewise, there is a set speed limit for cars in the park (I think it is either 25 mph or 30 mph), but it is unclear to me whether this limit applies to bikes.

      I imagine much of the case would rely on eyewitness accounts.

      Regardless of whether they were working for the biker or the pedestrian, the PI could decide that the "big fish" is the Park Alliance and seek money from them on the basis that they somehow created the conditions which contributed to the accident: poor signage, lack of enforcement, etc.

      In such an instance, the PI would sue the pedestrian (or biker) expecting to get a judgement that would be completely uncollectable, but hope to obtain a collectable judgement from Park Alliance.

      While I'm playing armchair PI, I'm sure some actual PI is already figuring out their best strategy....

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Whynot,

      Your posts in this thread in particular have turned my stomach.

      Just gross.

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      Welcome back.

      Do you think I am casting PI Lawyers in a bad light?

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    10. Terrible terrible news. I feel for the woman and her family.

      In a better world, the bicyclist pays serious consequences.

      Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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      Boygabriel said:In a better world, the bicyclist pays serious consequences.

      Amend that with "if liable," and I'd have to agree.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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      If this biker is determined to have been reckless or negligent, it is important that they face serious consequences.

      Likewise, if the pedestrian is determined to have been reckless of negligent, it is important that they face serious consequences.

      Otherwise, we would risk having outcomes that are less "fair":

      1. All bikers could be punished for the actions of this biker and/or

      2. All pedestrians could be punished for the actions of this pedestrian, and/or

      3. Absolutely no change. We continue to have a situation in which pedestrians and bikers get into accidents with no change in site, and rules are determined by "Might makes right".

      Anyone think our system of courts and enforcement is strong enough to avoid 1 - 3?

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    13. tyroneshoelaces
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      That park is fucking dangerous. Bikers might slow down but rarely stop for red lights. Sometimes I feel like crossing the race track is like playing a game of Frogger.

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      My sister was recently struck on the street by a biker who kept going, and one nearly got me as it's driver was intent on crossing the street ahead of the light. I think it would be great if we were all equipped with hand-sized projectiles you could throw at offending bicyclists (and cars) when they get too close for comfort. If they, say, had a little, non-violent exploding into paint feature you could even hunt them down after they had biked off.

      But you know SOMEONE would abuse them, so that will never work.

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      On a more serious note, it's an awful story. It has to count for something, though, that the biker stopped and stayed with the woman.

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      I'm not sure how much it counts.

      I would imagine that if I got into an accident with pedestrian won my bike, I would wreck and be somewhat injured. In addition to wanting to obtain help for the pedestrian, the biker might not have been able to get back on his/her bike ride away, or needed medical care themselves.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      ^^^ the article states that the cyclist waited for help to arrive and refused medical care for himself. While he may have been injured, I think that it's a fair assumption that he stayed out of concern for the ped.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
    18. If you drive a car you're allowed to claim "I didn't know I hit anyone" and then leave the scene of an accident.

      Just ask the family of the guy who died in Bushwick two weeks ago.

      Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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      DR-
      Welcome back.

      Do you think I am casting PI Lawyers in a bad light?

      No. I think you've contributed to the de-evolution of this board 10,000 times more then I have. Since you asked.

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      I'm not sure how much it counts.

      I would imagine that if I got into an accident with pedestrian won my bike, I would wreck and be somewhat injured. In addition to wanting to obtain help for the pedestrian, the biker might not have been able to get back on his/her bike ride away, or needed medical care themselves.

      Not at all... because that's not what happened according to the story... at all. It's just you imagining things again.

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      WhyFi said:
      ^^^ the article states that the cyclist waited for help to arrive and refused medical care for himself. While he may have been injured, I think that it's a fair assumption that he stayed out of concern for the ped.

      I make that assumption as well.

      ...and I would imagine that his decision to stay around is likely to help him in any lawsuit that happens.

      I.E. The opposing attorney will have one less argument to use to convince the jury that the biker had no regard for the safety of others.

      I wonder if the fact that this pedestrian volunteered for the Park Alliance will influence whether the Alliance takes any action regarding education, markings, signs, etc. to try to change the situation.

      Such efforts (even if largely ineffective) might help the Alliance show that they are trying to minimize the number of pedestrians - bike accidents.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      i agree..change the title, so other members aren't misled about the sickening turn this thread has taken.

      let us all hope the park volunteer recovers quickly and fully.

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      I'm sure everyone hopes that something good comes from this tragedy.

      Personal Injury lawyers might hope even more than most.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Frankly, whynot, I hope your persona on this board is not representative of the work you do in helping people and their struggles with mental health issues... I pray to god it isn't

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      Don't make me send the whole class to the school councilor for evaluation

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      Mamacita said:
      Don't make me send the whole class to the school councilor for evaluation

      Fear not, this case will be evaluated by our civil court system. It is known for being quick and fair [/sarcasm]

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Official Public Meeting Announcement

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      On Wednesday, November 16 at 6 pm in the Prospect Park Picnic House, Prospect Park's Road Sharing Taskforce will come together to discuss how Park users utilize the Park Drives, with everyone's safety in mind. All are welcome to attend this public meeting. Everyone using the Park must be aware of the safety of others, particularly on the Park Drives. The Prospect Park Road Sharing Taskforce was created to examine how the full range of Park users (runners, walkers, competitive cyclists, recreational bikers, etc.), use the Park Drives.

      For more information, contact Eric Landau, Vice President of Government and Community Affairs, Prospect Park Alliance, at (718) 965-8953 or elandau@prospectpark.org.

      Directions to the Picnic House: Enter the Park at 5th Street and Prospect Park West, follow the path next to the Villa, down the stairs and across the drive to the Picnic House.

      Taskforce Members include:

      * Department of Parks and Recreation (Prospect Park Administration)
      * Department of Transportation
      * Fellowship For The Interests of Dogs & Their Owners (FIDO)
      * JackRabbit Sports
      * Kissena Cycling Club
      * New York Police Department (78th Precinct)
      * Office of Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz
      * Office of NYC Council Member Brad Lander (39th District)
      * Park Enforcement Patrol
      * Prospect Park Alliance Playground Committee
      * Prospect Park Community Committee
      * Prospect Park Senior Residence
      * Prospect Park Track Club
      * Transportation Alternatives

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Announcement made today, November 14th, two days prior to the contentious meeting schedule for November 16th.

      Prospect Park Administration and the NYC Department of Transportation (DOT) are taking steps taken to ensure the safe enjoyment of the Park Drives by everyone. In an effort to slow cyclists at crosswalks and remind them to yield to pedestrians, DOT has introduced a pilot program on Prospect Park's West Drive between Center Drive and Wellhouse Drive (map):

      Orange traffic barrels have been placed along the drive, narrowing the right lane of vehicle/cycling traffic into one lane.

      The narrower travel lane is expected to both slow traffic and alert drivers and riders to the upcoming pedestrian crossing.

      In addition, signs have been posted to alert cyclists that the intersection of West Drive and Wellhouse Drive (near Vanderbilt Playground) is a pedestrian crossing, as well as to remind pedestrians to use the crosswalk.

      This week, DOT will be placing a high visibility crosswalk at the intersection.

      NYPD is planning roving enforcement of yield-to-pedestrian laws as well.

      Emily Lloyd
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      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      ugh. This is planned during the DOE's parent-teacher conferences. I hope someone reports back!

    30. Seems like a good move (the safety area)

      Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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      An article on the Nov 16th mtg:
      http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2011/47/dtg_parkrules_2011_11_25_bd.html

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      As expected, lawsuits are beginning to be filed by Personal Injury Lawyers.

      This first one was filed this week pertains to a pedestrian- biker accident that happened over the summer.

      The main target: The Parks Department and the NYPD.

      Brownstoner » The Post reports that a woman hit by a bicyclist in Prospect Park last summer is suing the city for $3 million. The suit alleges that the Parks Dept. and the NYPD are “negligent, careless and reckless” when it comes to enforcing traffic regulations in the park. The woman, Dana Jacks, was hospitalized for 25 days following the accident. Over the summer, Jacks also filed a lawsuit against the bicyclist, who countersued, saying Jacks was “unlawfully outside the crosswalk.” The lawsuit comes as the city examines traffic calming in the park.

      Yesterday the Daily News reported on a community meeting about the issue in which some said that cars should be banned from the park and others said cyclists are “out of control” and don’t obey traffic lights. Two weeks ago another pedestrian was hit by a cyclist in the park and is still in intensive care.

      Source for quote: http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/11/lawsuit-filed-over-bicycling-accident-in-prospect-park/#disqus_thread

      Post article about lawsuit: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/woman_hit_by_cyclist_sues_city_for_yVemflYASFEfGAXBMWPoNM#ixzz1e3q1HcX7

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    33. Perhaps lawsuits will force the city (especially elected officials) to devote as much efforts to bikes and pedestrians as they did to street planning for cars for the past, say, 60 years.

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      Maybe. ...but such a lawsuits would be far more complicated, and I imagine it would be harder to collect damages.

      In the suit by the pedestrian, I expect part of the "compensation" to be in the form of better signage and enforcement.

      The Tristate Transportation Campaign and Transportation alternatives are the major advocates behind paying more attention to peds and bikes. So far, they have not felt strong enough to file any major lawsuits on behalf of a suit of peds and bikes, but they do have a sympathetic DOT Commiss at the moment.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Honestly Whynot,

      WTF are you talking about?

      What lawsuit? What qualifications do you have to make such statements? WHAT LAWSUIT? The one you imagined?

      Also, since we all know you have no idea as to the specifics of the case... specifics as in: those things that actually matter in a courtroom... how do you know or why would you imagine that "it would be harder to collect damages"?

      Seriously where are you getting this? My guts tells me that you just believe your own misleading posts.

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      DR-

      This lawsuit, the one I link above that was filed this week:

      Post article about lawsuit: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/woman_hit_by_cyclist_sues_city_for_yVemflYASFEfGAXBMWPoNM#ixzz1e3q1HcX7

      I'll try to type slower.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      Sorry... I don't read your posts.

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      I'm actually surprised when anyone does.

      I suspect the changes discussed at the mtg will be deemed too little to late, but the changes might allow the Parks Dept to cast itself in a way that reduces or eliminates its exposure.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    39. whyfi
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      I just hope that, at the end of the day, it's not just a blanket vilification of cyclists. Yes, there are some a-hole cyclists but they're far outnumbered by pedestrians that (seemingly) don't feel that they need to be accountable for their personal safety. The education needs to go both ways.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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      I think it would be amazing if cyclists/bikers would obey the law and stop at red lights. I have never seen this happen in PP. It would also be great if pedestrians would obey the laws that apply to them as well, however I have seen thousands of peds. over the years doing just that.

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      Did she cross at the light?

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      rezist said:
      I think it would be amazing if cyclists/bikers would obey the law and stop at red lights. I have never seen this happen in PP. It would also be great if pedestrians would obey the laws that apply to them as well, however I have seen thousands of peds. over the years doing just that.

      In the new PPW bike lane, cyclists are required to yield to pedestrians not stop at the red lights. I do that.

      Now that you got me thinking of it. I yield to pedestrians more when I am on my bike than I stop at red lights when I am walking.

      Don't get me started
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      WhyFi said:
      I just hope that, at the end of the day, it's not just a blanket vilification of cyclists. Yes, there are some a-hole cyclists but they're far outnumbered by pedestrians that (seemingly) don't feel that they need to be accountable for their personal safety. The education needs to go both ways.

      ...if this case actually makes it to court it is going to be interesting to watch, especially re: how much attention is given to the relative roles of the biker and the pedestrian.

      By suing the city, the atty will need to show that the city did not do an adequate job protecting the pedestrian.

      ...a job that has a pretty blurry description.

      In its defense, I expect the city to try to minimize its liability by arguing that the pedestrian was not crossing in the correct place, and it did all it could to stop such crossings.

      Likewise, the city will argue that the biker did something that was against the posted rules, like not give the right of way to a pedestrian or travel at a speed that was unsafe. Maybe they will try to define the biker's actions as "racing".

      The city will try to paint itself as doing the best it can, and everyone as ignoring the rules, despite them being clearly posted, regularly enforced, and easily understood.

      Let's see which side the court finds convincing....

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    44. whyfi
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      rezist said:
      I think it would be amazing if cyclists/bikers would obey the law and stop at red lights. I have never seen this happen in PP. It would also be great if pedestrians would obey the laws that apply to them as well, however I have seen thousands of peds. over the years doing just that.

      You *shouldn't* expect to see anywhere near the same number (or percentage) of cyclists and pedestrians displaying strict adherence to the traffic laws and it has nothing to do with cyclists being dicks, it has to do with humans being humans.

      When discussing whether or not someone is following all the rules of the road, we can really distill it down to stopping, slowing, yielding. Think about what this means depending upon the mode of conveyance - for walkers, it means almost nothing. For runners, it means a little more. For fast moving cyclist, it means a heck of a lot more. "It," is the amount of strenuous effort necessary to get back up to speed. The same person that, while walking, stopped and politely yielded to the crossing stroller is far less likely, when on a bicycle, to do the same. Maybe they'll think that it's still a safe bet to speed up a little and pass in front of the stroller. If not, maybe they'll slow a little, instead, and pass behind the stroller. What they're not going to do, though, is come to a dead stop when they think that there's a safe alternative, whether or not their actions strictly adhere to the letter of the law. The problem, of course, is that some people show poorer judgement than others which can result in close calls or, sometimes, collisions. (Another factor, of course, is the action/judgement of the person that they're crossing paths with. Ride a bike long enough and you'll find that you don't care which decision [forward, stop or back] someone goes with, just as long as they make a decision and stick with it. One time, as I was riding down Broadway, I came upon an elderly gent crossing against the light [I was the only traffic]. He saw me from about a half-block away. If he would have kept walking, I would have passed 6-8 feet behind him. Instead, he was struck with analysis paralysis and he started shuffling side-to-side, back and forth, back and forth. It was comical - I was far away and not even going particularly fast, maybe 15-ish MPH, but after an eternity of him shuffling and me slowing while trying to counter, I had to come to a dead stop to avoid hitting him.)

      Anyway, the point of this long-winded explanation is this - let's get over this us/them schism wherein you cite precedence and pretend that pedestrians are more virtuous than cyclists, because it's just not true. We're all the same assholes, it's just far, far more inconvenient for assholes on bikes to hide it.

      Now, as to whether or not the signals in the park make sense at a given time of the day... nah - another time.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
    45. whynot_31
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      passed out today in park by parks staff:

      (hold ctrl and press + to enlarge)

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    46. whyfi
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      I'm glad that they addressed pedestrian rules and responsibilities, too.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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      It it really the law that bikes must stop at red lights when the park is closed to car traffic??

      In Central Park there are signs at every crosswalk saying "YIELD" to pedestrians, not stop.

      I documented these signs for the Prospect Park Safety Committee this summer.

      Signs that work in Central Park

      Those traffic lights in Prospect Park should be switched to blinking yellow (yield) for the roadway and blinking red for the crosswalk (stop)during the non-car hours of Prospect Park.

      Don't get me started
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      Don't get me started
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      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-cyclists-continue-rip-prospect-park-unsafe-speeds-crackdown-article-1.983227

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    50. whyfi
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      ringrunner said:
      It it really the law that bikes must stop at red lights when the park is closed to car traffic??

      In Central Park there are signs at every crosswalk saying "YIELD" to pedestrians, not stop.

      I documented these signs for the Prospect Park Safety Committee this summer.

      Signs that work in Central Park

      Those traffic lights in Prospect Park should be switched to blinking yellow (yield) for the roadway and blinking red for the crosswalk (stop)during the non-car hours of Prospect Park.

      Stop trying to inject sense in to the situation.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.

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