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While walking my dog early this morning I encountered Fire Trucks, Emergency trucks and police which had blocked off Fifth Avenue from 11 - 12th Street. I asked if there was a fire or some such emergency and was told there had been a stabbing. This resulted in one dead and another hurt. Don't know if it spilled out from a local bar or just happened on the street-- anyone hear anything?
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I'm pretty sure the yelling I heard last night-- which I thought was around 11:30-- was related to this. Sounded like a serious, angry argument, but it didn't go on all that long and I didn't hear any screams of pain or anything like that. It happened by the steps outside the Sleepy's on the northwest corner of 12th and 5th, or at least that's where people are starting to set up flowers and candles. There's also a large piece of white posterboard up with the kid's name, date of birth and today's date of death for people to sign, and a guy with a videocamera that looks like he could be with a community-access news organization. What is it with 12th and 5th? It's pretty quiet here, but of the fewer than 10 murders in Park Slope in the past couple of years, two have been here: http://www.brooklynian.com/~brooklyn/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38933&view=previous&sid=7e6016d48ee07932cb6c43ccfb5f3138
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most people get killed unfortunate by the people they know.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Young man savagely beaten to death by mob in Park Slope attack BY Kate Nocera, Erin Durkin and John Lauinger DAILY NEWS WRITERS Monday, August 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM Nicastro for NewsPolice scour the streets after one man was killed and another stabbed by an angry mob in Park Slope, Brooklyn, early Sunday. Taggart for NewsAlex Santiago with wife, Stephanie. Related NewsOne of Brooklyn's most affluent neighborhoods was the scene of a savage homicide early Sunday when a mob of revenge-seekers clubbed a young man to death with crowbars and a tire iron, cops said. The men that killed Alex Santiago, 22, in the bloodbath on Fifth Ave. in Park Slope then pounced on a 20-year-old, stabbing him repeatedly. The stabbing victim, identified as Jonathan Burgos, was in stable condition last night at Lutheran Medical Center. Local resident Joseph Rivera said he tried to end the slaughter before the group of thugs - estimated by witnesses at about 20 people - could finish off the second victim. "All these guys were just pounding on this kid. I was screaming, 'Stop! Stop!' " Rivera, 43, told the Daily News. "Everyone was just standing around watching like there was nothing going on." Rivera said he was beaten back with punches and pelted with glass bottles as the mob viciously sought payback for what police sources described as an earlier fight with Santiago and Burgos. "I got on the phone to call the cops and one of the attackers threw a crowbar that smashed the window next to me," Rivera said. "I've lived here a long time and I've never seen anything like this." By the time the mob fled about 12:10 a.m., the mortally wounded Santiago - whose wife, Stephanie, is due to give birth next month - was lying near the corner of 12th St., across the avenue from where Burgos was attacked. Santiago, his head bludgeoned, was taken by ambulance to New York Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, cops said. He had five arrests on his record, including busts for felony assault, grand larceny and menacing. Police officials did not reveal a motive for the violence, saying only that it followed a previous dispute, which witnesses said was on Fifth Ave. near 10th St. "There was a huge fistfight," Kaia Ross-Duggan, 24, a restaurant worker, said, describing the earlier clash. She said she saw "one of the same guys who got hurt . . . walking down the street with blood on his face and a baseball bat." Witnesses said Santiago and Burgos were jumped by four men who pulled up in a car and were quickly joined by roughly a dozen others. Santiago's cousin Jessica Vega, 28, said the victim called his wife on his cell phone after the first altercation, claiming he was attacked by people he did not know. "From what we hear, it's over looks - he was looking at them wrong," Vega said. "They told him, 'What you looking at?' and, next thing you know, they were fighting and then they came back with more guys." Vega said Santiago was raised in Park Slope and recently was laid off from a maintenance job at Yeshiva University. "It's wrong, it's childish, stupid," Vega said as Santiago's pregnant wife stood by, too distraught to speak. "I'll remember my cousin being happy all the time - always had a smile on his face," Vega said. "He would have been an excellent father." jlauinger@nydailynews.com Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/08/02/2010-08-02_young_man_savagely_beaten_to_death_by_mob_in_park_slope_attack.html#ixzz0vS5YvDW7
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wow this is so fucked up i can't believe it
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I was buying medicine at Slope Drugs. The customer in front of me asked where the cards were for funerals. When AJ directed her he asked why she needed one. Obviously in the neighborhood people know each other. She said that Mrs. Santiagos's grandson had died. he said.. Oh my G-d! I was there on a mission to pick up renewals on my meds but it took all I had to just not cry. Who cares what was behind this incident... a young life lost is just such a sad thing.
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It's horrible incident...I was so surprised that it happened on 5th and 12th st., such a busy (relatively) street....and it was still early as Sat. night. So many people must have been around but even that did not stop the attack, apparently.
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So, the deceased was from the neighborhood? Regardless of where he was from, this was very unfortunate, indeed. Funny thing, I'm almost without fail at 12th St and 5th Ave on Saturday nights. (No need to mention the bar here.) Man..."If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
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MichaelKeys » So, the deceased was from the neighborhood? Regardless of where he was from, this was very unfortunate, indeed. Funny thing, I'm almost without fail at 12th St and 5th Ave on Saturday nights. (No need to mention the bar here.) Man...
the deceased was living in sunset Park -
gretch » It's horrible incident...I was so surprised that it happened on 5th and 12th st., such a busy (relatively) street....and it was still early as Sat. night. So many people must have been around but even that did not stop the attack, apparently.
Apparently there were a lot of people involved in this murder. Unless you can get your own impromptu mob going or have a firearm you can brandish to intimidate people into stopping what they are doing, you're better off calling 911 and moving on. It sucks, but there it is. -
Have been in the area two times, first on Saturday morning, then today morning, There is a very strange feeling around. Today I crossed 12th and 5th, close to noon and there were small groups of old men just hanging around and talking, Obviously the subject of conversation was the murder, for I could gather a few phrases then and there. Same situation in other intersections. Youngsters seem cautious and on their toes. Even in stores (many 99c, a few discounters, Mandee, etc.), there is a weird ambiance. People seem to be nervous and waiting for something. Maybe some sort of retribution, maybe something else. I heard someone speaking about employees from TIPSTERS coming to the zone and talking to people. The area is predominantly Puerto Rican, with a small touch of other Hispanics. A few years back the Botanicas, ethnic restaurants and other similar stores catering to Hispanics could be found even around Berkley. Now one needs to go all the way to 8th to find a Botanica and even after 8th many ethnic restaurants have closed.. As soon as one crosses 9th street the nature of the businesses changes. The more one advances, the more the place gets similar to Sunset Park.
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I hope they arrests people who are responsible to the crime...
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Subject: 12th street
gretch » I hope they arrests people who are responsible to the crime...
I lived on 12th street for over 20 yrs and it is not a hispanic area. It is racially mixed, initially being polish and irish catholic. Now very mosaic, middle class to affluent. The block consists of Irish, itialian, polish, , mexican, puerto rican, wasp,black, grenadian, people who are also, straight, bi, homosexual, catholic, baptist, agnostic, athesist, jewish, muslim,prostetant, etc. ........and we all get along. Mostly old skl neighborhood people with a lot a new people due to genetrification. The person who got killed lived in sunset park and he knew other people on the block. Regardless of anything, this is a sad situation and upsetting that a life was taken.. We all hope the people who did this get arrested and helped. Its quite sad..........
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Subject: Re: 12th street
sweettalk » I lived on 12th street for over 20 yrs and it is not a hispanic area. It is racially mixed, initially being polish and irish catholic. Now very mosaic, middle class to affluent.
Sure. What real state agency you work for?
After 9th street the gentrification slows down. You can walk into any store and hear Spanish being spoken with the accent of Puerto Ricans. The groups around - still this morning - are of mostly Puerto Rican people. Yes, there may be other groups in the area, but its predominant population is Hispanic/Puerto Rican.
The quantity of phone card businesses, 99c stores and check cashing places around also points out to a different economic makeup than the one you mention, Again, as gentrification has advanced, these business have migrated further in 5th avenue and 4th avenue. -
the problem with 12 street is there are many multi family dwellings in which the landlords cant get out the welfare recipients that have ruined the neigborhood for years. In the late seventies there was gang activities and all kinds of violence here...
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The thing I find intriguing here is the lack of attention paid to this rare and tragic event by the Park Slope Paper. I guess their "cutsy" way of covering crime stories just didn't work in this case. Nonetheless reducing the whole story to the 2nd item on the Park Slope Police Blotter seems a little ridiculous. After all when was the last time a mob murder someone in Park Slope. What happened to the old newspaper adage: "If it bleeds, it leads" Is Gersh Kuntzman trying to cover up the n'hoods woes? Does he run a newspaper or a PR firm? Here's what Gersh wrote (or should I say, buried) in the Park Slope Paper: "Gang banged A murderous, revenge-seeking mob clubbed a 22-year-old man to death and stabbed another man at around midnight on Aug. 1 on Fifth Avenue. Witnesses said that the murder victim, Alex Santiago, was near 12th Street when about 20 savages pounced and fatally beat him with crowbars, a tire iron and glass bottles. The other man was stabbed in the melee. Cops said that the homicidal perps had a vendetta against Santiago and the stabbing victim that stemmed from an earlier dispute, which occurred on Fifth Avenue near 10th Street. No arrests have been made. Cops said that Santiago has a long list of prior arrests, though it is unclear if he did anything illegal that provoked the current incident. His widow, Stephanie, is due to give birth next month. "
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I think you're confusing the Park Slope Paper with an actual newspaper, when in fact it's more like a print version of a blog. There is no actual journalism there.
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Carnivore » I think you're confusing the Park Slope Paper with an actual newspaper, when in fact it's more like a print version of a blog. There is no actual journalism there.
I'm not sure what the distinction is between the electronic edition of The Park Slope Paper and the printed version. As far as I can tell they have the same articles and share same editor and publisher. Do you really believe the printed edition has as level of journalistic integrity lacking in the electronic edition? I guess you've heard by the way that The Park Slope Paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Given the level of journalism evident in the NY Post, one can't expect much from the PSP. -
Capt. Planet » [quote="Carnivore"]I think you're confusing the Park Slope Paper with an actual newspaper, when in fact it's more like a print version of a blog. There is no actual journalism there.
I'm not sure what the distinction is between the electronic edition of The Park Slope Paper and the printed version. As far as I can tell they have the same articles and share same editor and publisher. Do you really believe the printed edition has as level of journalistic integrity lacking in the electronic edition? I guess you've heard by the way that The Park Slope Paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Given the level of journalism evident in the NY Post, one can't expect much from the PSP.[/quote] No, that's exactly what I was saying. I don't expect journalism from any version of the Park Slope Paper. It doesn't sound like you do either. So why the surprise about the coverage? It's like complaining about a building newsletter's election return coverage. -
look at the bright side... the victim in this case was clearly a criminal with no desire or inclination to change his ways.. he will never commit another crime and with any luck those responsible for his demise will do 25-life somewhere far away
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my goodness, this man was a human being.......be compassionate. See, all you gentified freaks miss that! Yeah ,all points made clear, criminality, nationality. I think you all need a dose of religion and understanding what it really means to be born in Brooklyn. Truth is you all keep coming here.........must be something you like and not too afraid of. Let this rest, families are mourning, no one really knows what happened , NYPD still looking into it. NY is about diversity..............I think we should be looking at the bigger picture here, like where are police on foot, why did 20 people stand around and do nothing, did anyone call NYPD and what was their arrival time? And BTW, cultural diversity is a prerequiste for living in Brooklyn,so deal. A neighborhood just doesnt get better b/c you moved in. Take a vested interest in your community boards, block assoications, etc and make a difference, like the people who have paved the way for you to be have done.
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Truth!
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Yeah, I'm gonna reserve judgment until this has been cleared up. An incident of this magnitude is, after all, an aberration in this nabe, so..."If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
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20 witnesses and no arrests yet?
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BCODSNPKSLOPE how DARE YOU alex santiago was a good man. a good friend. he wouldve been an amazing father to his unborn son. you have NO RIGHHT WHATSOEVER TO TALK ABOUT MY FRIEND LIKE THAT. i hope you BURN IN HELL YOU ASSHOLE RIP ALEX 10.25.87 - 08.01.10 BANG BANG 11st STREET GANG <3 "man i love my team" love you my brother may you rest in peace fat boy <3 always in my heart whoever did this, if the cops dont get them they still have to face god on their dying day & i hope God spits in their faces & tells them to burn in hell
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Now what, I take my lay post back. Whlever you are, think what you want.. say what you want. At the end of the day, you were never lucky enough to meet alex. He was and always will be one of the most amazing people i've been blessed to know & have in my life. His life was taken too soon due to violence & hate, over something that went too far. You can say whatever you'd like, yes he made mistakes, but you're not perfect either. Think what you want, but maybe it's best you keep your negative opinions to yourself. He has a family, a wife, and friends who one day may stumble upon this & feel more hurt due to your ignorance. Imagine how his parents feel, having to bury their own son. Alex may you rest in peace my love, always in my heart. I'll never forget you. Bang bang, the crew will never be the same without you. I know you're shining down on us from heaven, I hope the view is beautiful. I love you & I'll be seeing you my friend because the seperation is only temporary, well all be together again someday.
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sweettalk » my goodness, this man was a human being.......be compassionate. See, all you gentified freaks miss that! Yeah ,all points made clear, criminality, nationality. I think you all need a dose of religion and understanding what it really means to be born in Brooklyn. Truth is you all keep coming here.........must be something you like and not too afraid of. Let this rest, families are mourning, no one really knows what happened , NYPD still looking into it. NY is about diversity..............I think we should be looking at the bigger picture here, like where are police on foot, why did 20 people stand around and do nothing, did anyone call NYPD and what was their arrival time? And BTW, cultural diversity is a prerequiste for living in Brooklyn,so deal. A neighborhood just doesnt get better b/c you moved in. Take a vested interest in your community boards, block assoications, etc and make a difference, like the people who have paved the way for you to be have done.
Yes he was a human being and in that respect its bad.. however this human being was a criminal who had been arrested how many times for what crimes? I was actually born in Brooklyn and have watched as this neighborhood was almost destroyed by criminal elements through the seventies and eighties.. Ive watched the lower economic people destroy our beloved brownstones and tag up and destroy the once middle class nice SAFE neighborhood ...do you remember all the gang activities back then I sure do The big picture is we are all entitled to be able to walk down the streets without having to be victims of crime or have to watch this kind of thing take place because of gangs.. People who tried to call NYPD and tried to intervene were set upon by these hooligans... this is why the one survived... and you are right cultural diversity is a prerequisite for living here... being uncivilized is not and rioting and being a criminal and being in several gang fights in one day is not civilized. The neighborhood is definately better for myself and others like me moving in here.. we work we pay taxes and allow the leeches of society to collect their governmental handouts and to get subsidised rent and new stuff when they destroy all the stuff we gave em in the first place.... We support small businesses with our hard earned cash and spend a hell of alot more than those who live off others backs... -
fpassionee » BCODSNPKSLOPE how DARE YOU alex santiago was a good man. a good friend. he wouldve been an amazing father to his unborn son. you have NO RIGHHT WHATSOEVER TO TALK ABOUT MY FRIEND LIKE THAT. i hope you BURN IN HELL YOU ASSHOLE RIP ALEX 10.25.87 - 08.01.10 BANG BANG 11st STREET GANG <3 "man i love my team" love you my brother may you rest in peace fat boy <3 always in my heart whoever did this, if the cops dont get them they still have to face god on their dying day & i hope God spits in their faces & tells them to burn in hell
Supposing you are legit - and you sound it, I believe - the police will be interested in checking up the "11th street gang" you mention. A call to the precinct first thing in the morning is de rigueur now. Good night, gang chap. -
puply » [quote="fpassionee"]BCODSNPKSLOPE how DARE YOU alex santiago was a good man. a good friend. he wouldve been an amazing father to his unborn son. you have NO RIGHHT WHATSOEVER TO TALK ABOUT MY FRIEND LIKE THAT. i hope you BURN IN HELL YOU ASSHOLE RIP ALEX 10.25.87 - 08.01.10 BANG BANG 11st STREET GANG <3 "man i love my team" love you my brother may you rest in peace fat boy <3 always in my heart whoever did this, if the cops dont get them they still have to face god on their dying day & i hope God spits in their faces & tells them to burn in hell
Supposing you are legit - and you sound it, I believe - the police will be interested in checking up the "11th street gang" you mention. A call to the precinct first thing in the morning is de rigueur now. Good night, gang chap.[/quote] you might be taking this a bit literally- it's not uncommon to use the term "gang" in a non-literal (or is it an *actually* literal) term. IE calling your friends from the street you grew up on on the "Main Street Mafia" doesn't necessarily mean you're a part of organized crime. That said, one of my close friends went to elementary, middle and highschool with the deceased and is pretty broken up about the whole thing so I will say RIP on her behalf. Shes a third generation sloper (still living in the same brownstone that her grandparents grew up in) and apparently knew this kid and his family fairly well. "Gang" member or not...many, MANY of us have a checkered past which might make us look unfavorable in the public eye...this kids family and friends are grieving. Lets make an effort to not make it worse, shall we?whoa hey whoa hey whoa -
Carmen » [quote="puply"][quote="fpassionee"]BCODSNPKSLOPE how DARE YOU alex santiago was a good man. a good friend. he wouldve been an amazing father to his unborn son. you have NO RIGHHT WHATSOEVER TO TALK ABOUT MY FRIEND LIKE THAT. i hope you BURN IN HELL YOU ASSHOLE RIP ALEX 10.25.87 - 08.01.10 BANG BANG 11st STREET GANG <3 "man i love my team" love you my brother may you rest in peace fat boy <3 always in my heart whoever did this, if the cops dont get them they still have to face god on their dying day & i hope God spits in their faces & tells them to burn in hell
Supposing you are legit - and you sound it, I believe - the police will be interested in checking up the "11th street gang" you mention. A call to the precinct first thing in the morning is de rigueur now. Good night, gang chap.[/quote] you might be taking this a bit literally- it's not uncommon to use the term "gang" in a non-literal (or is it an *actually* literal) term. IE calling your friends from the street you grew up on on the "Main Street Mafia" doesn't necessarily mean you're a part of organized crime. That said, one of my close friends went to elementary, middle and highschool with the deceased and is pretty broken up about the whole thing so I will say RIP on her behalf. Shes a third generation sloper (still living in the same brownstone that her grandparents grew up in) and apparently knew this kid and his family fairly well. "Gang" member or not...many, MANY of us have a checkered past which might make us look unfavorable in the public eye...this kids family and friends are grieving. Lets make an effort to not make it worse, shall we?[/quote] I don't think this is being taken too literally at all. At the memorial on 12th st. there is a sign posted giving notice of the funeral services and asking the mourners to respect the family's wishes by not being flashy with the color red at the funeral. -
BCODSNPKSLOPE.... wow. You really are a piece. How would you (as the victims family or friend) like to read such judgments from some heartless prick on an internet forum. And love the tirade against "lower income people", classy. I hate the fact that a kid is dead over such a trivial situation, now he will never be a father to his child. So sad. Wish the family/friends of the victim the best in recovering from this.
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sweettalk » I think you all need a dose of religion and understanding what it really means to be born in Brooklyn.
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Look man, say what you want. All that important is that those who DID know him, knew the real him not what everyone thinks he was. Were not a gang you moron, that's all I'm saying to this. You need to learn how to keep your horrid opinions to yourself. If you got killed & your family or friend was reading some horrible irrational comment about you how do you think they'd feel? Grow up man, you really need to.
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