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      Doglover

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      I was in the NSA Supermarket on Washington Avenue between Park and Prospect Place after 8 pm last night when I and some other people noticed that all the meat in the meat section of the store was completely empty. The whole back wall of meat was empty, except the top shelf with processed salamis. It was strange that the next section with the packaged fresh fish along that same wall with the same display cases seemed untouched. I later asked one of the workers what was going on and she said that the refrigeration system broke down and they had to remove all the meat. When I was at the front of the store, I saw and heard one customer talking to the manager, asking him how come all the packages of ice cream she touched in the freezer were soft and melted. He was holding one such ice cream container in his hand, which I assume she gave him to touch for himself. He said that there was a problem with the refrigeration system and they had to shut it down. So, she asked him to discount the ice cream. He said no. She then said that since the ice cream was defrosted, it would all have to be eaten that night and she would not be able to put any of it back in the freezer, because re-freezing something is supposed to be dangerous. It could cause Salmonella. His response was that the best he could do is give her a 10% discount. She said that was not enough of a discount to have to eat all that ice cream that one night. The man standing next to the manager at the front of the store then told the manager to give her a better discount, because all that ice cream is going to have to be thrown out anyway. The manager repeated that all he could do is give the lady a 10% discount. The lady asked him again for a better discount. When he didn't respond, she walked away without buying any ice cream for a mere 10% discount. I don't blame her. It occurred to me today that whole long wall with freezers filled with frozen food must have also defrosted, but because all of them are enclosed and packaged, he hoped that people wouldn't notice a change in color or taste. So, he wasn't going to throw them out too. People are used to looking at meat closely through cellophane to check if it's fresh. But I guess he is betting that the frozen packaged goods must have some kind of preservatives and no change would be detected. But the customers might re-frost things and if you do it more than once, it is a dangerous proposition. I think that this is lousy and dangerous store behavior. It's Saturday. The health inspectors are not working today. He knows that, even if someone reports him, no one on Monday morning will know what happened on Friday and Saturday. How do we spread the word about this? I don't know what this lady is doing about this, if anything, but I know that she is a long time resident, because I have seen her in the neighborhood for many years.

      For years and years, this supermarket was filthy and smelly from the first step inside the store. Everyone in the neighborhood described it as smelly. Complaining to them about the smell didn't make a difference. I was one of the people who complained to the manager about the smelliness for almost 2 years. Several weeks after my last complaint, he came over to me and wanted to know if I was the one called the health department on him. I did not call, but I wish i had. I guess finally some other people did. Once the whole store was completely renovated, upgraded, and the deli section moved, it has at least stopped being smelly. But there is no reason for this. He could discount that whole frozen section and sell it at a discount, if he doesn't want to take the loss of all that food. But he won't take any loss whatsoever. That is lousy, because it is dangerous.

      No matter what the store manager claims, unless you see all the frozen food in the store freezers missing, then you will know the food has not been thrown out. Please spread the word about this and watch the temperature in the freezers.

      Since I am already writing, I would add that at least 90% of the time, the young cashiers at the NSA registers don't ring up the sale item prices at the sale price, but rather at the regular price. Many store regulars know that one has to watch every single item as the cashiers ring them up. Invariably, there is a mistake and they have to call the manager to key the register for a correction to be made. He knows that this practice is rampant at the store, but he does nothing about it. The cashiers do this, if there are no customers behind you or there are 6 customers behind you. Don't be afraid to ask the cashiers to ring up the items slowly, so that you can watch the process, no matter how many people are standing behind you. Letting them know that you are watching them closely does not seem enough to prevent these constant 'mistakes'.

    2. whyfi
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      I don't know that you can legally sell anything if the refrigeration has been compromised. When I worked in a restaurant a million years ago, we had to throw out everything (and it was all logged for insurance purposes) when we had a problem that necessitated an electrical shut off.

      You don't sound as if you're ever going to be satisfied with NSA. Easy solution - Compare Foods is now open a block and a half away.

      ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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      mrsfoil

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      Thanks Doglover for the information, i have always wished that they were more on the mark with groceries. I have to admit I have never been satisfied with the food there and have always avoided the store even though it is in the closest proximity to where I live.

    4. sluggo
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      You can report them to the NYC Dept. of Consumer Affairs. I don't know how effective they are, but at least it will be on the record.

      If I were that lady, I would just not have bought the ice cream, discount or no. Buying food that isn't in the condition it's supposed to be is dangerous, since you don't know what happened when. Maybe it was refreezing again since overnight or something.

      You are right, I have always known about man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy.
      - Dr. Zaius
    5. bkchickie
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      Ice cream isn't one of life's necessities. If I were that woman, I wouldn't have bought it.

      NSA may have cleaned up its act, but I still will only buy non-perishables there.

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      Doglover

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      >I don't know that you can legally sell anything if the >refrigeration has been compromised.

      I don't think you can either, but I suppose you can if no one knows about it. I realized later that as long as he gave someone only a nominal discount on one item or two, it would not be considered an acknowledgement of a problem. A 10% discount is given if the outside package of something has been banged up. As long as nothing is sold at "fire sale" prices, there is no evidence in the store's registers or computer system of there having been any unusual problem. As long as City inspectors or the NSA franchise company do not find items with scanned bar codes of frozen food in the system with extremely low prices, he can deny that there was a real problem or minimize the problem. Denial and avoidance seemed to be his goal, because he seemed to avoid taking any loss whatsoever. I asked my neighbor who needed some items to let me know what she sees. She brought back a very bad report this morning. So, I went to see it myself. Most of the meat in the wall of meat is still missing, but a little bit of meat (about 15%) is now filled with meat. I don't know if it is new meat or the old meat refrigerated elsewhere and brought back. The packaged fresh fish right next to the meat looked God-awful. Every section in the pieces my neighbor and I saw today have dark brown lines all along the edges, including where the fish meat touches the fish bones. Those fish steaks should have definitely been thrown out. Other fish packages have skin on them, so you can not see what the inside parts look like. Every single shelf in every single freezer case with enclosed packages of frozen vegetables, prepared food, ice cream, etc., look completely filled, exactly as they always do. There is no way that anything was thrown out. Remember that supermarkets don't get food deliveries over the weekend, so there is no chance that the store threw anything out. I would have bought some orange juice, but was afraid that all the open juice-dairy cases might have also been effected. I would say I would not buy any refrigerated items for at least a month in that store. The manager always gives you the third degree if you ever return a refrigerated item, because it was bad. He treats you as if you deliberately ruined his food and just want to have something to complain about. When you return bad or outdated food to other supermarkets, they dutifully apologize and just let you take a replacement; it's an easy, quick transaction. Not here.

      >You don't sound as if you're ever going to be satisfied >with NSA.

      I have no idea why you wrote that. If the manager/owner is doing this, then it follows that he is must also be doing a lot of other bad things. This NSA is the closest supermarket to me. Their upgrade 2 years ago has made a huge difference in the quality of the food. I hope to still be able to shop there, but it means that I should make sure to buy refrigerated items elsewhere, so I don't get effected by the next hidden refrigerator failure. It also means that we all need to check all expiration dates carefully. E.g., sometimes the milk from NSA turns bad before the expiration date on it.

      >Easy solution - Compare Foods is now open a block and a >half away.

      I just learned about this new store. Some great prices.
      Just temporary to encourage you to try them or a continuous policy? But they are no as convenient.

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      Doglover

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      >You can report them to the NYC Dept. of Consumer Affairs. I >don't know how effective they are, but at least it will be >on the record.

      I did call 311, but nothing will happen until at least Monday.

      The lady did not buy the ice cream. Since she explained the danger of re-refrigeration to the manager, I doubt that she would have returned to buy it after it re-froze.

      >Ice cream isn't one of life's necessities. If I were that >woman, I wouldn't have bought it.

      Again, she did NOT buy the ice cream. She left the ice cream in the manager's hand and went to pay for her other food.

      >A may have cleaned up its act, but I still will only buy >non-perishables there.

      Agreed, but their prices are not so great in that department.

      Please spread the word about this matter, because that is the only way to deal with this right now.

    8. booklaw
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      Doglover, you have described a supermarket and a manager with nothing but contempt for their customers. Even after they fix their refrigeration problem, there are likely to be other consumer-unfriendly aspects of the way they do business.

      If there is indeed another, far superior (See this thread) supermarket just a couple of blocks away, wouldn't it make sense to switch?

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      PragmaticGuy

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      Well...you're smart enough to write a fairly coherent post but apparently not smart enough to stop shopping at a store you have so many complaints about. If this place is the dregs as you suggest, why do you continue to spend your hard earned money there?

    10. ghostinthemachine
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      In January of this year, I was shopping at NSA for ingredients for a pudding pie. When I was looking at their Cool Whip selection (which was lacking), I saw a brand I had never heard of and picked it up because it was Fat Free. It felt weird in my hands. I turned it over and looked at the expiration date, and it read Oct 2006. I kid you not. HOW could something actually be in the freezer unit for that long. HOW??

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      Although my other examples are not so extreme, one must be careful about expiration dates at NSA. They've gotten considerably better, but items that don't move so fast (like soy milk or any thing vegetarian related) could possibly be past its date.

      I know I should shop there less frequently, but it's so close to my apt, that it's difficult to make the switch. I do, however, avoid most frozen items. In the past, I've had too many issues with the food tasting like freezer.

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      mishaps

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      I did call 311 on NSA onc, before the renovation - I may be the person you got accused of being, actually, so I'm sorry you had to deal with that. When I did call, I learned that it is only actually illegal to sell expired-date baby food. If you sell grown-up food that expired a year ago, it's a case of buyer-beware.

      Since the renovation I've occasionally been willing to go there for quick grocery runs - thanks for the reminder that I should walk the extra three minutes to Compare every time.


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