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a broken promise over atlantic yards jobs
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Questionable construction materials, lies (he calls them promises), noise, rats, traffic clogging construction practices... yup, sounds like another "Quality is A-1" Ratner production
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Screw everybody involved in this debacle.
What gets me the most is that scams like this will be perpetrated on the city over and over and over again.
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GO NETS!!!!!
Why attack God? He may be as miserable as we are.
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as goes bruce
ergo the nets
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Construction jobs and contracts are all about bidding, political favors, personal relationships and of course unions. I'm not taking a stance on unions here but the fact that local workers aren't working on that site has nothig to do with them getting into the union.
Out of state contractors regularly underbid local companies all over the US. That being said no one should make claims about how many local jobs will be created from a contract. Of course "they" all do. We the public should be aware of this and simply discount such estimates.
This is unfortunately business as usual. Fortunately, no matter what your opinion when complete the arena will provide hundreds of jobs for locals that span a wide spectrum of skill level, educational level, skill level, and pay grade.
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rezist said:
Construction jobs and contracts are all about bidding, political favors, personal relationships and of course unions. I'm not taking a stance on unions here but the fact that local workers aren't working on that site has nothig to do with them getting into the union.Out of state contractors regularly underbid local companies all over the US. That being said no one should make claims about how many local jobs will be created from a contract. Of course "they" all do. We the public should be aware of this and simply discount such estimates.
This is unfortunately business as usual. Fortunately, no matter what your opinion when complete the arena will provide hundreds of jobs for locals that span a wide spectrum of skill level, educational level, skill level, and pay grade.
Hear! Hear!
Why attack God? He may be as miserable as we are.
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One is a sucker if one believes that the above suddenly does not apply due to a CBA.
One can have a community benefits agreement, and have it mean different things to different people.
Profit still rules
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.....whether we like it or not
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Whether we like it or not, this project is at least four years late due to community opposition, lawsuits, pickets, protests, etc. etc.
Now you want to know where the jobs are?
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the mirror is quite clear
some call us the opposition
but no one wants to call us who we are
the residents
as predicted years and years ago
fcr's would never keep their promise
to create of local jobs
because they simply never had the intention
that is where the jobs have always been
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Had they simply said:
We are going to build an arena with public money, and it will generate huge profits for the developer
I would have respected and believed them.
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However, they said:We are going to build an arena with public money, and it will give your community jobs, affordable housing and ponies that lay golden eggs.
and because of that I did not believe them, and I questioned the intelligence of those who did believe them.
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I remember reading lots of improbable promises made by the developer... but "ponies who lay golden eggs"? That one I do not remember reading. Do ponies generally lay eggs?
Then again, perhaps I'm reading WN's comment a bit too literally?
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If it makes you feel any better, Ratner (who expertly and consistently plays the part of "the jackass" in this story) was forced produce
a golden egg for Daniel Goldstein.Making it among the few promises kept.
Mr. Druid- Can we get some artwork?
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That ringing in my ears - this an echo chamber? Or a hall of mirrors? Some fun house!!
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Did somebody say "fun house"?
....a sampling of some of Karl's prior work:
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it all plays like some weird sci-fi movie
but you can't make this story up
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that dull echoing thud is not construction
it's bertha lewis
beating herself over the head
with rev. herbert daughtry
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If Jesus Christ himself had come down and miraculously built this arena overnight, employing only local labor creating tons of high-paying jobs, all without a dime of public money and without raising a single particle of dust, 99% of the posters on this bulletin board would still oppose it.
It'll be interesting to see how this all turns out. If this arena and its environs become the social hub of Brooklyn in era of rising gas prices because somebody had the foresight to build on top of the boro's biggest mass transit hub, who will take the credit? As they say, success has a thousand fathers. I'm sure many on this blog will be telling their grandchildren how hard they fought for this project against the crowd of short-sighted locals.
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i don't think jesus
evoked emminent domain to rid the residents
while playing three card monte with public funds
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You seem to confuse " being against an arena", with "being against an arena built with public funds, for a private entity".I have no such confusion.
...but I will resent paying high prices to see shows in an arena I have already paid for.
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I blame jesus for mandels
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/iphone/#define?term=Mandels
Before anyone accuses me of being anti-jesus, I wish to point out that I blame Marty and Bertha for far more than mandels.
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Rarely am I jealous of Nassau County, but I envy how the citizens got to vote on whether they wished to use public money for a new sports arena.
They voted "no".
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That made me so happy.
Wang is a jerkface.
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The people who will run Barclays Arena were likely happiest of all those in Nassau voted the referendum down.
On this aspect the Capt and I agree:
The Arena will be booked every night, and tremendously succe$$ful.
If I were the developers, I would think that I got a steal on an awesome location.
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I would think that I got a steal on an awesome location.
I would damn hope so.
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What's missing from the controversial development site? Not just the jobs and housing, says this writer, but the independent monitor required by the community benefits agreement.
lots more here
http://www.citylimits.org/conversations/150/an-independent-monitor-for-atlantic-yardsFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
A lot of people also seem to believe hockey is missing.
http://thebrooklynink.com/2011/11/07/34537-islanders-to-brooklyn/
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jobs are here, you just had to be part of the unionized labor pool years in advance of the dig. A couple of flag waivers. The guy in a wheelchair selling bottled water is one I have never seen in NYC construction history. Guys on Atlantic are effective in securing the sandwiches and coffee from across the street. As the iron workers get a little further concrete and Qdeck will follow. Deck electricians will again point to the correct locations for boxes that devices can be mounted on. This is skill void design.
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Karl the Druid said:
I blame jesus for mandelsMy son is a bum. He never calls me on my birthday.
Why attack God? He may be as miserable as we are.
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jz seems occupied
http://www.businessinsider.com/is-jay-z-trying-to-profit-from-occupy-wall-street-2011-11
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Ask James Caldwell of BUILD where the jobs are. BUILD went through hundred of applications to get some 30 people trained and hired by Ratner. It ain't easy turning folks from unemployed into skilled tradesmen and women.
Sorry for the pro-Ratner banter.
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Remember, only the people who believed this project would make unskilled people, employed at high paying positions are suckers.They were foolish enough to think a CBA would change the world, and be abided by.
Pay attention, Ratner isn't the enemy!
PS. If affordable housing is ever built, only the most savy, credit worthy, together members of the poor will get them, and some people will claim that the most needy are not being served.
Everyone else will state: Um, why did you expect that they would be?
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BTW, isn't it great when people think there is an enemy? They focus all of thier attention there, while the machine is able to function undisturbed.
Myth: Ratner, the board of education, the criminal justice system and social programs will magically fix all of societies ills.
It will be great.
Don't get left behind....
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now jz is unoccupied
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/jay_occupy_shirt_yanked_from_rocawear_5Z3nvjyJK2opIpck4MLsfK
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millions of ratner dollars made
and 30 jobs created
is this the new math?
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The names of the teachers and students constantly change, but the math is always the same.
Marty Markowitz = Homer
Ratner = Mr Burns
Karl = groundskeeper Willie
Whynot = Milhouse
Meanwhile, the citizens of Springfield (Brooklyn) think the local nuclear power plant (government) is competently run.
The show goes on.....
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People got jobs, they just didn't get paid. We will know more tomorrow:
Council Member James, State Senator Velmanette Montgomery, South Brooklyn Legal Services, Clergy and Community to Hold Press Conference in Support of Brooklyn Residents Persuaded into Participating in Deceptive Atlantic Yards Training Program
Press Conference This Tuesday, November 15, 3:30pm at 67 Hanson Place and South Elliott place - in front of the District Office of Council Member James
Federal lawsuit to be filed against Forest City Ratner Companies LLC, and others for damages based on unpaid wages and false promises
(Brooklyn, NY) A group of Brooklyn residents who participated in a job-training program negotiated as part of the Atlantic Yards project plan to file a federal lawsuit against the Atlantic Yards Development Company LLC, Brooklyn Arena LLC, Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development, Forest City Ratner Companies LLC, Bruce Ratner and others.
The suit seeks the recovery of unpaid wages as well as damages based on false promises. The plaintiffs are represented by South Brooklyn Legal Services (a program of Legal Services NYC) and Emery Celli Brinckerhoff & Abady LLP.
WHO: Elected Officials, Clergy, Lawyers, and Plaintiffs
WHAT: Press Conference to Announce Lawsuit against Atlantic Yards Development Company LLC and others
WHEN: Tuesday, November 15 at 3:30pm
WHERE: 67 Hanson Place and South Elliott Place in front of the District Office of NYC Council Member Letitia James
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"BUILD President James Caldwell did not reply for a request for comment in time for publication."
http://www.observer.com/2011/11/suit-forest-city-broke-union-promises/
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Even the Wall Street Journal is covering this mess
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nice photo..about 2 months old the contents even older. No jobs if you were not already in one of the unions...10 or 15 years ago. Everybody hold still jobs are very near just serving stuff inside the building constructed by workers making 50 plus benz Maybe Magic or Jzee will put out more cash to have a job or 2 that pays and has benefits
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What makes us think we could force any entity to hire the most unqualified, the most unconnected, the most problematic of our society?
The idea that we could force someone else to solve our collective problems is a pipe dream indeed.
The good jobs will continue to be held by those with the connections, and power to get hired. After all, how difficult is it to assemble a theater of precast seats using modern equipment.... ?
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an article published today on the missing jobs:
http://thebrooklynink.com/2012/02/29/42154-where-are-the-barclays-center-jobs/
Gib Veconi, the treasurer of the Prospect Heights Neighborhood Development, points out that although the developers may have promised jobs for Brooklyn residents, they may not be legally bound by their words. “There’s no question that lots of commitments were made in speeches, presentations, and promises,” Veconi said. “But when push came to shove, and the documents were signed, few of the public commitments that were made really made it into the documents.”
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today's ny times "corrections" listing noted that a recent article had referred to the barclay arena being built in "downtown brooklyn" but actually it was located in prospect heights and park slope -- though close to downtown brooklyn. the correction noted that this same error had occurred in numerous articles in 2011.
It had also occurred in every single article about the arena from 2003- 2012.
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Although we likely did not need to invest massive amounts of public funds in order to have an arena built by a private developer, it happened anyway.
Now that the arena is practically open, there is no sense in not enjoying it.
....after all, why should only others get to enjoy something that we all paid for? The transaction is done. Enjoy the games and shows; the time for symbolic protest has passed. It is time to move on.
That said, we should ensure that proponents of using public funds for private profits are forced to state this as their primary motive.
No doubt, they will attempt to point to the arena as being the sole cause of the area's resurgence. If they are able to do this, they will get away with similar wastes of public funds in the future.
We should constantly remind people that public funds played a role changing the area, but that the area surrounding the arena was prospering nicely before the project was approved. We should constantly remain people that only a fool would have not been interested in building an arena at this location, regardless of whether it was heavily subsidized.
We could use stats like this, which show increasing subway ridership (a close correlate to increasing economic activity), prior to the arena's approval and construction.
Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn (DDDB) may not get the credit or the blame, but its members can take some solace in knowing that one of the arena's main supporters, Carl Kruger has begun serving prison time for bribery in an unrelated case.
Likewise, DDDB can take some solace in knowing that Bertha Lewis is no longer in charge of an organization that allowed her (and others) to state that public funding for an arena would magically address the complex array of problems faced by NYC's chronically unemployed poor people.
Karma is a bitch.
While merely being "the enemy of my enemy" may not be enough of a basis for a friendship, it is enough to bring a smile to my face.
...an even bigger smile would come if this caused people to question those who promise easy solutions to complex problems.
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But the biggest smiles will be saved for when the monster truck rallies come to the arena!!! It'll be even better than seeing Rush perform live.
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I have no word on when Rush (the band), or Rush (the idiot) will perform.
However, Barbara Streisand is coming!
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Rush (the band) performs at Barclays on 10/22/12 @ 730pm. Show is preceded by a poety reading by our own Karl the Druid (if he's not booed off stage).
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I think you are right, Karl is unlikely to sell out.
....One of the many ways he is unlike Bertha.
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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