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That is f*#!@ked up!
Everything I loved about the Slope years ago is now disappearing.
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Fine, but don't blame it entirely on the Nets and Barclays Center.
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I have a solution -
everybody go and buy a couple dozen patties for the holidays.
Help him raise the money he owes the landlord.
Keep him in business by frequenting his establishment.
Once the stadium opens he can start charging more for patties and can make a decent profit.
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i doubt that an arena seven blocks away that's still months away from opening has much to do with it. it's not like businesses are clamoring for the real estate -- there are lots of vacant storefronts on vanderbilt much closer. sounds like unpaid rent is the bigger issue. too bad they couldn't have stayed in the smaller space across the street, which was sufficient for a takeout joint and probably a good deal cheaper. my guess is the space will stay vacant for a while, unless there's another nail salon or cellphone franchise out there.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
IT HAS EVERYTHING to do with the arena, according to the report, landlord Lina Feng wants the restaurant out in order to make way for a higher-paying tenant now that the Barclay's Center arena is nearing completion, although according to court documents filed by Feng Christie's is late; Feng is also the landlord of the building that will house controversial new bar and restaurant, Prime 6. The bar and restaurant made headlines last spring after residents worried about noise from the backyard area and raucous sports fans packing the bar after games at the Barclay's Center, so it is ALL about Barclay's arena....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
While the arena is a factor, it is not the ONLY factor. The area started gentrifying long before Ratner announced plans to build the arena. Plus, the article clearly states that business at Christie's has been slow recently and that the owner is two months behind on his rent and other bills. He enjoyed a good run and was open longer than most posters on this board have been alive. Not many restaurants in NYC can make that claim.
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Everyone thinks that they can make a buck off the arena... so it is the ONLY factor.... is there was no arena the landlord wouldn't be in such a hurry to give them the boot... so you can live in la-la land & ignore was is a blatant fact, it is about the arena!! There is no reason to violate the SLA's 500ft rule in Prospect Heights without the arena 13+ full liquor licenses within 500ft of 6th Ave & Flatbush, why? It is damn sure not for the community.... what these so called 'savvy business/property owners' forget is that the arena will have a liquor licenses too.... so there will be many that will open & more will close....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
I just hope that we don't have a boom, then bust phenomena.
Wherein the businesses and landlords over estimate the arenas impact, and create unrolled, expensive storefronts.
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Everyone wants an easy bogeyman, but the arena is just one small part of an increasingly expensive retail climate in the neighborhood.
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ayinfonyc said:
IT HAS EVERYTHING to do with the arena, according to the reportno. read the article. it has everything to do with the arena according to the owner of christie's, who also said business has slowed and he's two months behind on the rent. you could be right, it may be about the arena, but this article doesn't prove it.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
It's ironic that everyone is so chicken~sh*t to admit that the arena will forever change the landscape of Prospect Heights for the worse unless you're the one that fantasizes about rubbing elbows with someone out of your peer group by a factor of one million.... there were many other developers & locations that the arena could have been built... of course his business slowed so has everyone else.... Businesses owners in Fort Greene and north Park Slope also report that landlords have doubled rent, citing proximity to the arena in new real-estate ads.... go to the CB8 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE and ALL they deal with is new liquor licenses, oh are we the new east village? if there was no arena then the landlords would be more willing to work with someone that has been in the community for 45 years... get it... 45 years.... Christie’s opened in 1966 serving the community.... now we have more wannabe 500ft SLA new sport bar liquor licenses @ Park Pl & Flatbush... hoz that serving the community? NOT!!
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
i don't disagree that AY is fucking over the neighborhood. i just prefer to focus on facts, which they're plenty of, rather than assume everything bad that happens is AY's fault. if you tailor every problem to fit your agenda, then it's just your propaganda vs. theirs.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
Oh, having so many new liquor licenses applications every month the CB8 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE can't deal with any other agenda item is just 'propaganda'? 19,000 'fans' traipsing thru the NAB 220 days a year is just 'propaganda'? Having 24/7 construction for the next 25 years is just 'propaganda'? you are smokin'....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
I feel that the landlord is a total buttplug for making Mr.Hates keep his patty prices at 2 dollars instead of raising them with any common sense.
I also feel that the landlord is a complete slob, I mean look at that awning!!
I think the landlord should have held out a little longer waiting for the Slopers to make there way over for a ground meat pocket after a trip to the co-op.I also feel that the 1000's of new residents just didn't embrace local culture, instead they are flocking to Bark and Brooklyn Larder.
Why go to Franny's when a 2 dollar meal is available? People just don't get it.
The landlord is right to make way for another place like Prime6 because that place was not only welcomed by the surrounding community but it has been completely accepted. Hat's off to you Mr.Hayes. Your protest mechanism is one I hope more people use, don't pay your rent and the landlord will certainly perk up and start paying attention.May want to read story about Grimaldi's pizza. The landlord in that case called an 80 year old man to ask if he would like his old space w a new lease. The story originally unfolded as if the landlord was a money grubbin' asshole, turns out he just wanted to paid on time.
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People love to cast landlords in the role of enemy.
....Ratner is just a very successful landlord.
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ayinfonyc said:
Oh, having so many new liquor licenses applications every month the CB8 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE can't deal with any other agenda item is just 'propaganda'? 19,000 'fans' traipsing thru the NAB 220 days a year is just 'propaganda'? Having 24/7 construction for the next 25 years is just 'propaganda'? you are smokin'....you're making my point. these facts do nothing to prove or disprove the assertion that christie's was forced out to make room for a higher paying, ay-friendly venture. in this case, there was at least one other factor, which may well have been the main factor, which you choose to ignore.
the larger point is that you do the neighborhood, and those of us opposed to ay, no favors by building your argument on questionable claims, especially when there are so many real ones available.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
@ whynot_31
People love to cast landlords in the role of enemy.
....Ratner is just a very successful landlord.well hell yes when your on corporate welfare... if NY state taxpayers wasn't his anchor tenants he'd be defunct....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
@ SJ;
so what's your point? it's not questionable, it what was written in the article & that's what this thread is about....
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“She’s trying to kick me out,” he said. “I don’t think it’s worth the stress; it’s killing me. I’ve had so many sleepless nights.”The dispute is the latest evidence that small businesses may have trouble staying open near the arena, where the Nets will play basketball next season (if there is a season).
Businesses owners in Fort Greene and north Park Slope also report that landlords have doubled rent, citing proximity to the arena in new real-estate ads.
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
ayinfonyc said:
The dispute is the latest evidence that small businesses may have trouble staying open near the arena, where the Nets will play basketball next season (if there is a seasonThis dispute is the latest evidence that landlords like to have the terms of their leases upheld.
In your strenuous reach to attribute this to AY, you're making yourself look like an irrational idiot. People don't like to support irrational idiots or the causes that they attach themselves to. In other words, you're not doing yourself any favors.
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@ WhyFi.... I didn't write the article... I agree with it... I don't give a flying F-k if you agree & you don't speak for everyone else.... & I'm NOT asking for your sorry a$$ support... people with YOUR IRRATIONAL IDIOTIC ideas why the tax payers keeps getting screwed with these unprofitable arena projects... at least the taxpayers in Long Island weren't stupid enough to vote for more debt to build another arena for the Islanders....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
And here I thought we could all just get together for a beef patty.
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i desist.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
I'm aware that you didn't write the article - it's not particularly well-written, but it's still better than I think you can manage. Maybe if you would calm down for a moment, you could compose a coherent thought.
Again - no information has been provided that shows that back rent ISN'T the primary motivating factor of this dispute, given the fact that the owner admits he's well behind.
I think that I'll follow the lead of Smokin' Joe - you're clearly not a person to be rationalized with, so I'll just let you hang yourself with your nonsensical ranting.
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I wonder what will go in that space next....
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I agree with you, WhyFi, that ayinfonyc is irrational. It's this overzealous approach that caused the DDDB crowd to fail so miserably in the first place.
WhyNot, I was wondering the same thing. I guess time will tell.
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Jack Krohn said:
I agree with you, WhyFi, that ayinfonyc is irrational. It's this overzealous approach that caused the DDDB crowd to fail so miserably in the first place.WhyNot, I was wondering the same thing. I guess time will tell.
DDDB was going to fail, regardless of whom kept their head and who didn't. AY had the full backing of City, State & Fed. Even the US Supreme Court found in favor of Eminent Domain, no matter what the reason. Now, as far as Christie's goes, the neighborhood is changing. The rents have been sky-rocketing for a while. I'm surprised they lasted this long. Hopefully, the owner will find another place to open shop. Hopefully, he'll have enough cash to buy the property he's setting up shop in so he won't have to worry about paying rent and can actually put collect additional pocket change. I guess this leaves Benoit Barber Shop on Park Place (by Carlton) as the last of the OGs.
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whynot_31 said:
I wonder what will go in that space next....Szechuan Gourmet or a dim sum place like Pacificana
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/szechuan-gourmet01/Who are we kidding, bring on the Olive Garden!
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Mama-
The location is kinda small for anything like the Olive Garden. Maybe an Olive Garden Express?There is a double brownstone located on Prospect Pl, near Vanderbilt that I have been eying for a while. It presently has a Haitian Baptist Church in it, but is unused most days of the week. If I had the cash, I'd make the congregation an offer and they could purchase a much lager church closer to where their members now live. I'd then divide it, renovate them and sell them. The buildings are presently painted yellow, but a little sandblasting would take care of that....
Anyone remember when the Haitian Times newspaper used to have its office on Vanderbilt, near where Milk Bar is now? ...they have now moved to Flatbush Ave.
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
@ WhyFI : you started this sh*t by posting... "you're making yourself look like an irrational idiot. People don't like to support irrational idiots or the causes that they attach themselves to. In other words, you're not doing yourself any favors"... I was just posting my opinion.... now you act like a above it all pompous a$$h-le... overzealous? I am going to advocate for what I want & it's not going to be taxpayer subsidized arena & 33 story buildings in a residential NAB & then tell me to live with the negative impacts... PM me & let's meet @ 4:30am or read about the how wonderfully the arena workers treat the NAB @ http://www.atlanticyardswatch.net
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
All I know is that I have been gorging myself on Veggie and Beef patties since i read this.
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I wonder if they will still be open when we have Festivus.
It would be a suitable food: A shrinking message board, one of the last area dive bars, and disappearing cheap eats.
Ah, change, here you come again.
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ayinfonyc said:
@ WhyFI : you started this sh*t by posting... "you're making yourself look like an irrational idiot. People don't like to support irrational idiots or the causes that they attach themselves to. In other words, you're not doing yourself any favors"... I was just posting my opinion.... now you act like a above it all pompous a$$h-le... overzealous? I am going to advocate for what I want & it's not going to be taxpayer subsidized arena & 33 story buildings in a residential NAB & then tell me to live with the negative impacts... PM me & let's meet @ 4:30am or read about the how wonderfully the arena workers treat the NAB @ http://www.atlanticyardswatch.netThat site seems pretty one-sided -- almost as if someone who had already made a foregone conclusion was looking only for evidence that supported it. Hmm.
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Even is "someone" did make that foregone conclusion; if the Barclay's arena construction workers/contractors complied with the law & the ESDC, our elected officials did their jobs properly & held Forrest City Ratner accountable for violations then the site would have no content... if you went to the meetings & listened to the vast amount of elaborate promises made by the ESDC & FCR then live in the reality of today’s construction impacts, it's easier to post comments then to actually know what the local community deals with 24/7/365... what's posted on the site is a small amount of what the community deals with... ask the CLEXY block association over 1 mile east from the arena what the traffic impact is from arena trucks rambling thru their NAB to get to the BQE (the site has that info)... I find most comments still associate those speaking out today with the past detractors... how many of you actually live in the arena NAB? Many of arena supporters in my NAB are now pleading for someone to do something... the impacts are more than just the construction…. Like the DWI Arrests Nearly Tripled in East Village Last Year from the amount of ‘new’ full liquor licenses issued, DNAinfo Report Finds... So the type of business that migrates into our NAB may or not have a negative impact… there are those that support the arena and some at all cost to anyone & those that don't....
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
ayinfonyc, are you saying that there were 3x as many DWI arrests because of the increase in liquor licenses issued in the East Village?
I have attended a couple of meetings for construction overview and community board meetings and the general feel is that noise and many of the things that are associated w liquor serving establishments is not wanted in the area. -
I attend the CB8’s Housing & Economic Development committees; ALL the EDC deals with is new liquor licenses issues. There is no reason to violate the SLA's 500ft rule in Prospect Heights without the arena; like 9~13+ full liquor licenses within 500ft of 6th Ave & Flatbush. An example of what’s coming; the owners of the east village Sunburnt Calf opened the brand new sister BK Calf on Vanderbilt, there has been community complaints that this bar serves unlimited liquor events, if they do that violates the liquor laws… so how’s 19,000 arena fans having access to unlimited booze in the NAB? So I do care what businesses are in my NAB & voice my opinion @ the CB8 meetings…. So, when an article on Christie’s predicament is posted & I post my opinion & then other posters want to depict opposing opinions as ‘some of those nefarious arena haters!’ it does an injustice and is an insult to all of the residents that have to endure an arena’s impacts….
Read for yourself, that is what was reported by DNA Info:
Sep 12, 2011 – The amount of DWI arrests in the East Village jumped more than 140 percent last year, and 600 percent since 2001 (read below some highlights
You can read entire article here: http://tinyurl.com/75rytlm
The shocking statistics showed the neighborhood's 9th Precinct arrested a huge 141.4 percent more suspected drunk drivers in 2010 compared to the year before. That's 140 incidents compared to 58. The increase was even more eye-popping when compared to previous years. Since 2008, arrest numbers went up 204.3 percent. Since 2001, the rise has been an amazing 600 percent. That surge comes as the rest of the city saw DWI arrests decline by 7.4 percent since 2009, and 11.5 percent since 2008. Some familiar with the East Village's situation cited ramped-up police efforts and the ever-increasing amount of nightlife establishments as reasons for the massive spike. Drunk driving arrests have surged in the East Village in recent years. "To me it shows enforcement," said Community Board 3 district manager Susan Stetzer, who works closely with the police precinct. "These are very scary statistics because this is no longer quality of life — this is life and death."
Read more here: Does The SLA Not Care about Community Boards Anymore
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
ayinfonyc said:
Even is "someone" did make that foregone conclusion; if the Barclay's arena construction workers/contractors complied with the law & the ESDC, our elected officials did their jobs properly & held Forrest City Ratner accountable for violations then the site would have no content... if you went to the meetings & listened to the vast amount of elaborate promises made by the ESDC & FCR then live in the reality of today’s construction impacts, it's easier to post comments then to actually know what the local community deals with 24/7/365... what's posted on the site is a small amount of what the community deals with... ask the CLEXY block association over 1 mile east from the arena what the traffic impact is from arena trucks rambling thru their NAB to get to the BQE (the site has that info)... I find most comments still associate those speaking out today with the past detractors... how many of you actually live in the arena NAB? Many of arena supporters in my NAB are now pleading for someone to do something... the impacts are more than just the construction…. Like the DWI Arrests Nearly Tripled in East Village Last Year from the amount of ‘new’ full liquor licenses issued, DNAinfo Report Finds... So the type of business that migrates into our NAB may or not have a negative impact… there are those that support the arena and some at all cost to anyone & those that don't....And none of this has anything to do with a guy being a few months behind on his rent. Start another thread or, better yet, a blog that no one will give any thought to. Oh, you already did.
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It does have everything to do with it; he was quoted & this thread is: Christie's patty closing after 45 years - (Thanks to Nets?) if he doesn't pay his rent he needs to get evicted... so you think this is only about late rent some others don't....
I didn't start the blog just contribute...
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"The owner of a cheap neighborhood favorite will close his restaurant after 45 years in Park Slope and Prospect Heights, citing a landlord-tenant dispute fueled by a nearby sports arena.Paul Haye, who runs Christie’s Jamaican Patties on Flatbush Avenue and Sterling Place, says he’ll close by January, claiming his landlord — who last spring welcomed embattled sports bar Prime 6 to the neighborhood — gave him the boot in order to collect higher rent from a new tenant, now that Barclays Center is closer to completion.
http://atlanticyardswatch.net
Atlantic Yards Watch is a community-based initiative to protect the health and livability of neighborhoods impacted by Atlantic Yards and the Barclay's Center. -
I see no problem with a landlord seeking as much rent as possible for his/her property.
I do not care why a landlord believes s/he can get more $ than in the past.
I hope Christie's finds a neighborhood in which it can sell its trademark inexpensive food and still pay rent; It does not surprise me that such a business model will no longer work in PH.
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It does not surprise me that such a business model will no longer work in PH.
How about Washington Ave. -- CH side of Washington that is....
Border hopping..
Was on PH/PS Border
lets go to PH/CH border
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I'm pretty bummed to read this news. Their coco bread is my 3 year old's favorite. I hate it when a good place goes down.
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I hope he moves to Nostrand Ave...his patties are delicious and cheap.
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Nostrand already has the only good steak and cheese place around, (Syd's Sandwich) and the best wings (Super Wings), so the addition of Christie's could form a trifecta.
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It does not surprise me that such a business model will no longer work in PH.
How about Washington Ave. -- CH side of Washington that is....
there already is one there, 3Cs, and it's better than christie's.
"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait." -
3D'S does have some banging patties.
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CLAYFILMS said:
3D'S does have some banging patties.+1
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You shall be missed Christie's. I've been going to get your awesome patties since way back when, before you even moved to this current location.
Today's lunch (saved the second for later
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Mamacita said:
You shall be missed Christie's. I've been going to get your awesome patties since way back when, before you even moved to this current location.Pish - as if that was a long time ago, you whipper-snapper... and stay off of my crack vials!
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I spoke with the owner today. He said the landlord thinks she can get more money because of Atlantic Yards.
He does admit to owing money, but this is partially because the landlord surprised him with five years of a real estate tax bill. He did admit that he could have been charging more, so he's going to try to work things out. It's not over till it's over.
I was ready to start a campaign to save Christie's, but he said to wait a bit until he speaks to the landlord again.
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