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Anyone know anything about the accident or fire at Grand Army Plaza tonight?
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Not sure about that one, but the rioting over on Nostrand Avenue & Snyder Avenue is pretty crazy.
Riot
approx 100 juveniles involved, all MOS to wear helmets. the group is marching south. Brooklyn north and south task forces and riot squad en-route. they are marching IAO the 67th PCT. some are armed with sticks and bats and looting is being reported.
Nostrand Avenue & Snyder Avenue
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 9:02 p.m.
http://gothamist.com/map/http://rt.com/usa/brooklyn-riot-police-protesters-127/
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They are protesting a shooting of a 16 year old by police, early Sunday morning.
Shooting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/nyregion/16-year-old-killed-by-new-york-police.html?_r=0Response:
Large Crowd
Level 1 in regard. large group throwing bottles at MOS, units staging at Nostrand and church
Nostrand Avenue & Church Avenue
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 8:47 p.m.Larged Crowd
BROOKLYN: (67 PCT) *LARGED CROWD* E 53RD ST X CHURCH AVE. PCT RPTS THE CROWD IS NOW HEADING N/B NOSTRAND AVE TOWARDS SNYDER AVE, ESU O/S REQ AVIATION, LEVEL-1 MOB CSALLED. (C) [MNS12]
53rd St & Church Ave
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 8:54 p.m.Riot
at E40 th & church avenue - store owner locked herself in the bathroom for safety requesting help. large group in her store
Nostrand Avenue & Snyder Avenue
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 9:34 p.m.Riot
67 sgt has 1 under ifo of 5113 church ave. Requesting a cage car. As per the 67 sgt. There are 2 different groups. Currently one group is on e52 and church and the other is on nostrand and church. A serious assault is reported at new york avenue & tilden. A gathering is present as 55th & church.
Nostrand Avenue & Snyder Avenue
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 9:37 p.m.Brooklyn *Riot/Protest* in area of 67pct. Numerous angry people protesting a police shooting. Some are armed and damaging vehicles/anything in their way. ESU & Riot teams responding. Areas include Snyder Ave/E 52 St & Church ave
Source: Breaking News Network
If this is what Spring looks like, it could be a very long summer in the 67th Pct.
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Yes, I have a bad feeling the developing conflict between the youth and the ESU will make tomorrow's news. Those interested in listening to this unfold can go to:
http://scanct.com/
Find NYPD SOD (special operations division), then click on Flash.If there becomes lots of conflict, you'll hear about it.
While you wait, you'll hear about all of the regular NYC emergencies: heart attacks, pedestrian accidents, EDPs, etc.
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Tonight might not end up as badly as I feared:
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The NYC council man is going to lead the group from e55 and church to synder. Make right on synder to e52 to drop off flowers.
Church Avenue & East 55th Street
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 9:46 p.m.Riot
67 sgt advises he has approx 50-60 protesters who are orderly at this time. There is another group of approx 20 protestors on e55 & synder heading to this presently-orderly location. The councilman who is assisting is reported to be Charles Barron.
Church Avenue & East 52nd Street
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 9:56 p.m.....a long night ahead for Councilman Charles Barron.
Photos: NYC Firewire, Gothamist
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Street shrine at site of shooting:
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
Riot
The councilman is Hakeem Jeffries, not Charles Barron.
Church Avenue & East 52nd Street
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 10:00 p.m.
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Yes, as of around 10:40 PM, 1010WINS/WCBS is reporting Councilman Williams as well:
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Angry Brooklyn residents threw bottles, and left a drug store employee violently beaten Monday night, as they marched to the scene of this past weekend’s deadly police shooting, 1010 WINS reported.The NYPD dispatched officers in riot gear to respond, and one person was arrested for disorderly conduct.
Dozens of officers stood guard in the aftermath of the protest. Police said it started peacefully, but then took an ugly turn as the crowd started to disperse.
The crowd of about 20 teens and other residents gathered at Nostrand and Synder avenues, outside the 67th Precinct police station, 1010 WINS’ Sonia Rincon reported. Some people screamed, and rocks and bottles were thrown, over the police-involved shooting Saturday of 16-year-old Kimani Gray.
Rocks were thrown at the windows of the police station, while garbage and bottles were thrown in officers’ direction, police said.
The crowd then headed toward the scene of the shooting, in front of a home on East 52nd Street, in East Flatbush, Rincon reported.
During the march crowd members rushed into a Rite Aid at Albany and Church avenues around 9:20 p.m., and assaulted a worker inside the store, police said. The worker was taken to a nearby hospital with a head injury, and is expected to recover, police said.
Once the crowd arrived at the scene of the shooting, emotions remained tense, 1010 WINS reported. However, City Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-45th) and Gray’s sister appealed for calm, and the crowd complied.
Some group members laid flowers at the scene, and eventually everyone went their separate ways.
WCBS 880 reported that by 9:50 p.m., the situation had calmed down. There were no reports of arrests or injuries. Police told WCBS 880 the melee was a “disorderly gathering of people” rather than a riot.
Police told WCBS 880 there were no reports of injuries or damage to property.
The one person accused of disorderly conduct was arrested at Snyder and Rogers avenues, police said.
On Saturday, plainclothes officers from the Brooklyn South Anti-Crime Patrol were walking East Flatbush when they came upon a group of young men standing in front of the home on East 52nd Street, according to police.
Police said at one point Gray pulled a gun from his waistband and turned toward the officers, 1010 WINS’ Glenn Schuck reported. Officers responded to seeing the gun by opening fire, police said.
Gray was pronounced dead at Kings County Hospital a short time later, police said.
Police said a loaded Rohm’s Industry .38-caliber revolver was recovered at the scene.
Gray had been arrested three times since October, police said.
Clearly, we are getting different versions of this story as it evolves. Here's a version from The Post, as of 10:40 PM:
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“They poured in here like 40 or 50 of them. They pulled the registers off the counters, they flipped over everything. They punched me in the face. Several of them did, not just one [person.] It was insane,” said the store's manager, Lorenzo Evans.At least three other people were bleeding from the face after being assaulted in the store, the sources said.
The crowd went wild on the blocks surrounding the 67 precinct station house near Church Avenue and East 55 Street, cops and witnesses said.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/riot_erupts_in_flatbush_q2fUH9LyVEHuphF6VUXhPP
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The night does not appear to be over....
Riot
MTA supervisor requesting PD in regard to a MTA bus with broken windows.
Nostrand Avenue & Church Avenue
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 10:34 p.m.Riot
a CVS is reportedly damaged at 4102 church avenue, and another bus with damage at 41-13 church ave.
Church Avenue & East 46th Street
Brooklyn, NY
3/11/2013 10:51 p.m.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
On Monday night, the violence just a few blocks away from where Gray was shot had ended by about 10:15 p.m., but the crowd remained for at least another hour, until organizers announced that the protest was over for the evening and would resume the following day.
The next demonstration is scheduled to begin at 8 p.m. Tuesday at East 55th Street and Church Avenue.
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Seems to me like the cops should arrange for a few water cannons to welcome the next round of demonstrations.
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More on last night: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/wild-confrontation-breaks-brooklyn-candlelight-vigil-16-year-old-shot-cops-article-1.1285755
Water cannons have a bad stigma and history attached to them.
The mainstream media isn't reporting it as such, but last night seems to have been a well-intentioned demonstration that went awry. As a result of last night, I suspect responsible parents will conclude tonight will not be constructive either, and try to keep their teenagers home.
Calls for rabble rousers are spreading on Facebook and Twitter, and I have no doubt that a few will show up tonight to "f' with the police" and generally entertain themselves.
The police will likely have a few quick strike teams ready to take out groups who decide to "wild", a phenomena that occasionally happens...
Ah, Spring.
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I just drove down Church from Ralph to Utica and it was full on RMPs. I'm sure they're expecting more trouble. Frankly, I think this will be ruled a "good shoot" and I can't see where the cops are going to get in trouble for it. Where were this kid's parents while he was busy getting arrested the last few times and why is it that the community is blaming the cops for doing their job.
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I would not make the leap that this is "the community blaming the cops for doing their jobs".This is a relatively small subset of the community (young men) who is mourning and believes that the police should be able to cope with someone who points a gun at them, without ending their life.
“Police are supposed to be trained to disarm a child, or disarm anybody if they have a gun,” said one of Gray’s cousins, who did not give her name.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/what_this_kin_say_teen_killed_gun_a9z4sBBWtgI4liHCq3mURI
The reality of the world is different than their beliefs.
I.E. If you point a gun at a police officer, the officer will quickly conclude their life is being threatened, and take immediate steps to defend their life.
In most situations, the officer will shoot you until you are no longer a threat. This means that they will literally shoot AT (and INTO) you, until you are unable to continue to use your gun against them. In the majority of cases, this means you will be shot until you literally fall to the ground.
As a result of this process, there is a high probability that you will die.
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Point an illegal gun at NYPD cops while being black? What did he expect to happen
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Is this about the legality of the gun and hue of the person holding it?
I think if I (a 44 y/o white guy), was confronted by police on the street and then pointed a weapon at them that I carried as per a concealed carry permit, I would be likely be now dead as well.
Depending upon my pasty hue and the legality of a handgun to "save me" in such a situation seems a really bad idea....
This is about teaching youth how to make constructive, thoughful decisions.
...Youth who are angry and sad.
..Youth who may not have not had role models who are constructive OR thoughtful.
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I read on some NY Post thread that his friends explained that it "wasnt his gun, he was holding it for a friend". Oh, well that explains it.......
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To Whynot....right, they're in mourning so this calls for a riot. I'm tired of hearing all the excuses. The 1977 blackout called for a riot. Hurricane Irene called for a riot and looting in Coney Island. And for what reason did they attack the poor guy in the Rite-Aid. Oh, I forgot, they were in mourning. If people want sympathy they have to act like people, not like thugs.
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I agree, rioting isn't a productive or acceptable option.
I actually don't think youth who engage in violence are looking for what I would call "sympathy". They are looking merely to express their anger, and they have no constructive outlet for it.
In my mind, this begs two questions:
1. Can society create ways for people of limited skills to effectively express and control their anger?
As you point out, experience tells us that the least skilled of us predictably will become violent when frustrated, confused, or simply feel that things are beyond our locus of control.
2. Although last night's attempt to let people productively express their anger and sadness by having a march and demonstration didn't seem to work, should the authorities let people assemble again tonight?
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I suspect more than a few NYPD members and community leaders are looking up at the weather and thinking to themselves, "hopefully this rain will cause people to stay home tonight". (Tuesday 3/12/2103)
Some are trying to use the precious time provided by the rain as a chance to stem what could become a growing crisis: http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Let-s-Empower-Our-Community--Attend-Our-Youth-Empowerment-Seminar-SATURDAY-.html?soid=1102557709761&aid=y0XGLH9wY5g
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1102557709761-492/STATFlyer2.pdf
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Daily News » In light of the violence and at the request of the dead teen’s family, a second vigil that had been scheduled for Tuesday night was cancelled.
Still, dozens of protesters gathered and marched down Church Ave. to the 67th Precinct stationhouse chanting and carrying signs that read “Stop Killer Cops Now.” While cops said that one person was arrested, the demonstration remained largely peaceful and dispersed without further incident.
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I'm all for stopping killer cops. Who in that demonstration was for stopping "killer kids?" I wonder.
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I think everyone is against killing that is preventable.
...we just have disagreements about whether specific killings are preventable, despite having access to the same information.
People tend to believe what they want to believe, and dismiss any information that contradicts their beliefs.
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Day 3:
Gotham Gazette » Wednesday saw the third day of protests in Flatbush following the shooting death of 16-year-old Kimani Gray on Saturday. Gray was shot seven times in the front and back of the body by New York Police Department officers. Police officials say Gray brandished a handgun and pointed it at them. A number of community members have voiced skepticism of the official police account. Protesters clashed with police yesterday at 54th Street and Church Avenue. It isn't clear how many were arrested. The shooting has only heightened tensions in a community where police are aggressivley pursuing gangs.
Text and links from Gotham Gazette
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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