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Boygabriel
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Ratner Arena: Good for the community!

http://www.streetsblog.org/2012/01/06/how-to-make-your-own-free-parking-by-the-atlantic-yards-site/

How to Make Your Own Free Parking Near the Atlantic Yards Site
by Ben Fried

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tTriNHzPL80

Via Norman Oder at Atlantic Yards Report, here’s a variety of parking scofflaw that we’ve never come across before on Streetsblog.

In the video, an early morning car commuter, presumably someone working on the nearby Barclays Center arena project, apparently decides that the last parking space on this block of Pacific Street (between Sixth Avenue and Carlton Avenue) is too small to accommodate his SUV, so he makes his own free parking by uprooting a No Standing sign. Oder says the vandalism and flouting of parking regs is symptomatic of the un-monitored violations around the Atlantic Yards construction zone, including trucks double-parking and idling.

This isn’t the first time that Atlantic Yards workers have torn out this particular No Standing sign, thereby adding about four or five illegal on-street spaces, according to Atlantic Yards Watch. In fact, the maker of this video predicted that the sign “would be destroyed within one day of installation again,” and he was right.

And you thought placards were the ultimate in free parking entitlement.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
jml
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That's great. I'm assuming the police will do nothing. I'm going to follow his lead and take down the no parking signs on my block too.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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I mean, it's something that crosses everyone's mind.

But few people are actually jerks to that degree.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
tateinbk
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I think a number of people are jerks to this degree, they just lack the upper body strength to actually follow through.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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You guys have funny associations. What's this got to do with the arena?

# Posted 1 yr ago
ayinfonyc
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for the 3rd time within 6 weeks the sign was destroyed; New No Standing Sign installed destroyed in less than 24 hrs by Barclays Arena/FCR construction worker. Read what was posted:

http://www.atlanticyardswatch.net/node/476

# Posted 1 yr ago
Karl the Druid
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suggestion:

a mo' standing sign will encourage standing

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# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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eastbloc said:
You guys have funny associations. What's this got to do with the arena?

ayinfonyc said:
for the 3rd time within 6 weeks the sign was destroyed; New No Standing Sign installed destroyed in less than 24 hrs by Barclays Arena/FCR construction worker. Read what was posted:

http://www.atlanticyardswatch.net/node/476

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# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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Hilarious. Yeah, why don't I read the baseless conjecture on an anti-Atlantic Yards web site? There's no evidence there whatsoever that this person is a construction worker.

And even if they were, what's that got to do with anything? If they worked at a local pizza joint, would you be shaking your feeble collective fist at that business?

# Posted 1 yr ago
ayinfonyc
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HELL ya I would, I don't care what kind of business it was if the workers continued to shit on the NABE! This is not a "isolated incident"....

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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Well, enjoy tilting at your windmills, then.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Karl the Druid
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mo' standin'
just sayin'

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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tateinbk said:
I think a number of people are jerks to this degree, they just lack the upper body strength to actually follow through.

This site needs a feature that will allow me to "like" posts like this one

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Drano
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And even if they were, what's that got to do with anything? If they worked at a local pizza joint, would you be shaking your feeble collective fist at that business?

I, for one, would seethe with impotent rage. Lousy pizza joints.

Seriously though, I hope somebody gets arrested for this sooner or later.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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It would be Ratner himself if some here had their way, I'm sure.

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Others merely envy Ratner.

Others think this is part of the never ending struggle

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For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
GoodNeighborPS
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Hilarious

I love Brooklyn!

# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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eastbloc said:
It would be Ratner himself if some here had their way, I'm sure.

Crazy how people get mad at man who gets rich off ruining their neighborhood with empty promises.

The nerve of some people.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
bill c
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if they follow the money trail in the kruger corruption case this might get interesting. article about that in today's ny times, although mostly focusing on yonkers development.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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bill c said:
if they follow the money trail in the kruger corruption case this might get interesting. article about that in today's ny times, although mostly focusing on yonkers development.

Here's more on Kruger.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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Boygabriel said:
Crazy how people get mad at man who gets rich off ruining their neighborhood with empty promises.

The nerve of some people.

The neighborhood still seems all right to me.

Why don't you just admit the truth -- that you're jealous of a man's success, and will for this reason rationalize any way to pillory him and his associates?

# Posted 1 yr ago
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Eastbloc, are you so committed to no-holds-barred capitalism that you are willing to countenance fraud (i.e. Ratner's) as a way of increasing one's fortune?

Ratner promised first-class architecture by a preeminent architect, and then, once he got the necessary approvals, he substituted cheaper and drabber designs by a far less renowned architect.

He promised jobs for the local community, jobs which never materialized.

He promised affordable housing... Don't hold your breath.

He literally bought off the opposition by funding a phony community group to support his positions.

One doesn't need to rationalize to pillory Ratner.

The opinions I've expressed here are my own... i do not speak for Brooklynian.com.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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If it is legally fraud, that is a matter for lawyers and judges (not bloggers) to decide. Otherwise, I just call that a change of business plans.

But wait, wasn't this thread about parking? It should have been, except BG threw up (no pun intended) that epithet about "Ratner Arena: Good for the community!"

I'm sure the community, which in my experience has always before prided itself on model vehicular etiquette, is shattered by that parking incident.

Damn you, Ratner!

# Posted 1 yr ago
booklaw
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fraudulent misrepresentation
Definition
Instance of false statement where (1) the party making the statement is aware that it is false or disregards the possibility of it being false, (2) the party making the statement does so to induce another party to enter into a contract, and (3) the other party enters the contract as a result of the statement and consequently suffers a loss.

http://www.businessdictionary.com

In this case, New York City, Brooklyn, and Prospect Heights in particular, are the "other party".

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Did those of us who never believed Ratner suffer a loss?

Is it always bad thing when one's world view is affirmed?

Things like AY make feel less crazy and paranoid everyday, and thus more zen.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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What is the loss that was suffered by the city as a result of the fraud?

There's enough people on the hate-AY bandwagon that I'm sure if anyone had a smidgen of a court case it would have been heard by now.

As it stands, it sounds like sour grapes to me.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Karl the Druid
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less grapes

mo' standing

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# Posted 1 yr ago
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whynot_31 said:
Did those of us who never believed Ratner suffer a loss?

Is it always a bad thing when one's world view is affirmed?

Things like AY make me feel less crazy and paranoid everyday, and thus more zen.

I hate when I am deep, but forget to type words. I fear my flaws will prevent me from ever getting my own bumper sticker.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
booklaw
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The loss? People lost their homes! Traffic around Flatbush, Fourth Avenue and Atlantic Avenue has been messed up and will only become more so once the Barclay Center becomes operational. Ditto subway service. We're stuck with a huge eyesore of a stadium in the center of Brooklyn, and the city gave out huge tax abatements under false pretenses. I call that a bunch of losses.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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I do not feel such losses because I am the only person on the face of the earth that has no illusions of controlling my surroundings. This attribute allows me to simply wonder why others like democracy, and other forms of self expression. Hence, the arena meets my expectations.

Returning to the mind I actually live in, I think those of us with a proper music education would agree that a tribute to Pink Floyd or The Smiths would be a suitable first event for the arena.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
mrs whynot
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If Whynot gets a "like" button, can I get a "sigh" button. As in, I sigh when Whynot (who for those of you are thoroughly dense, I live with) writes:

whynot » I do not feel such losses because I am the only person on the face of the earth that has no illusions of controlling my surroundings. This attribute allows me to simply wonder why others like democracy, and other forms of self expression. Hence, the arena meets my expectations.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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I, for one, am looking forward to the Jay-Z concert.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
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It will be excellent

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# Posted 1 yr ago
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He's got 99 problems but Ratner ain't one.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
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MMMHMM.

booklaw said:
Eastbloc, are you so committed to no-holds-barred capitalism that you are willing to countenance fraud (i.e. Ratner's) as a way of increasing one's fortune?

Ratner promised first-class architecture by a preeminent architect, and then, once he got the necessary approvals, he substituted cheaper and drabber designs by a far less renowned architect.

He promised jobs for the local community, jobs which never materialized.

He promised affordable housing... Don't hold your breath.

He literally bought off the opposition by funding a phony community group to support his positions.

One doesn't need to rationalize to pillory Ratner.

The opinions I've expressed here are my own... i do not speak for Brooklynian.com.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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If you like, I will feign disgust at Ratner's savvy.

But shouldn't we also look at ourselves, our political and judicial system, and the leaders that allow the Ratner's of the world to act in this manner?

Shouldn't we demand that future leaders of organizations like ACORN not be so gullible?

Shouldn't we insist that things like Community Benefits Agreements have deliverables that are not able to be postponed until we forget they exist?

I know we are not supposed to blame ourselves because that would be allegedly blaming the victim, but aren't we the ones who allowed ourselves to be represented by fools (like Bertha and Marty)?

Didn't we have a role in putting them in those positions?

Didn't a lot of the people that surround us actually believe the promises, despite being warned they should not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor

By the way:

A. I hear the Queens aqueduct casino and conference center will be lovely. It will definitely be nicer than the underused race track and flea market that currently occupies the space.

B. What is the latest on the NY Islanders? Are they coming to Barclays? That would be awesome.

I can't decide: Either this isn't a democracy, or the people are getting exactly what they want and deserve.

...Jay-Z is the master.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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Don't confuse booklaw and BG with "the people", most of whom could give a rat's ass about Atlantic Yards.

To the extent there was community action concerned with the project, they did fight it. They lost, regardless of any merit of their arguments.

Move on. Or better yet, make the most of it. Open up a hot dog stand or something.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Boygabriel
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Don't confuse eastbloc with residents of neighboring areas.

He thinks if someone gets away with something it must be legal and most of all: moral and undeserving of commentary.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
eastbloc
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No, I just question your stubbornly reductionist associations, which single-mindedly ascribe everything bad and nothing good to Atlantic Yards.

It's a form of willfully ignorant bias that I choose to confront with skepticism. I'm sure there are legitimate gripes one can have with the project, but who could possibly trust you to point them out?

You and your kind do a disservice to truth itself.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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eastbloc said:
Don't confuse booklaw and BG with "the people", most of whom could give a rat's ass about Atlantic Yards.

To the extent there was community action concerned with the project, they did fight it. They lost, regardless of any merit of their arguments.

Move on. Or better yet, make the most of it. Open up a hot dog stand or something.

I think everyone agrees it is a great spot for an arena, and that it will be a financial success. Some just feel the developer got a much better deal than the public.

If we are to avoid deals of this sort to private developers in the future, lots of changes need to be implemented. The AY saga showed just how out-gunned neighborhood residents are when they attempt to stop such projects.

Speaking of hot dogs, lots of people seem to be opening restaurants and bars along Flatbush.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
threecee
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whynot: everyone doesn't agree that this is a great spot for an arena. new york city zoning forbids siting an arena adjacent to or in residential neighborhoods for the fact that the operation of this type of business has effects that most would agree are not compatible with residential areas.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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threecee-
If you are correct on the zoning rules, apparently they were over ridden or effectively ignored by the interests discussed above.

Without having effective methods to enforce them, people should have no illusion that the laws and zoning codes designed to protect the pubic will be enforced.

This Battle for Brooklyn was lost, but will we win the next one?

Nice job on the film, BTW. It cast a bright light on how our government and "society" actually works.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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Eastbloc, just out of curiosity, what good do you think has come from Atlantic Yards as it exists today?

# Posted 1 yr ago
threecee
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whynot_31 said:
threecee-
If you are correct on the zoning rules, apparently they were over ridden or effectively ignored by the interests discussed above.

Without having effective methods to enforce them, people should have no illusion that the laws and zoning codes designed to protect the pubic will be enforced.

This Battle for Brooklyn was lost, but will we win the next one?

Nice job on the film, BTW. It cast a bright light on how our government and "society" actually works.

Yes, NYC zoning was overridden by NY state (aka ESDC). Their reasoning was that because 8 of the 22-acre site is the MTA Vanderbilt rail yard, AY is a "state" project, and therefore, does not have to follow NYC zoning. This zoning override was vigorously opposed, but obviously, unsuccessfully.

I completely agree with you about having no illusions in law and justice when those with money and connections can pretty much do as they please.

Glad you liked the film, but I cannot take any credit (assuming you were complimenting me). Yes, we lost this battle, but we learned many valuable lessons and formed a valuable network. Hopefully, we will be better equipped to deal with the next one.

# Posted 1 yr ago
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Hopefully, we will be better equipped to deal with the next one.

hear hear

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