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Does anyone have the scoop about what happened on Dean and Vanderbilt around 1-1:30 this afternoon? A ton of cop cars and yellow tape.
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Subject: Re: Police on Dean and Vand
Idlewild » Does anyone have the scoop about what happened on Dean and Vanderbilt around 1-1:30 this afternoon? A ton of cop cars and yellow tape.
I was driving by about 1:30 and saw all of the yellow tape and cop cars. I called Doris at the Community Board and she said she heard there was a shooting. No more details. Also left a message with Det. Ratton at the 77. His assistant said he was out, possibly at the site. -
Subject: Re: Police on Dean and Vand
greg » [quote="Idlewild"]Does anyone have the scoop about what happened on Dean and Vanderbilt around 1-1:30 this afternoon? A ton of cop cars and yellow tape.
I was driving by about 1:30 and saw all of the yellow tape and cop cars. I called Doris at the Community Board and she said she heard there was a shooting. No more details. Also left a message with Det. Ratton at the 77. His assistant said he was out, possibly at the site.[/quote] Wow I hope not - that's a little too close to my son's school. -
Subject: Re: Police on Dean and Vand
greg » [quote="Idlewild"]Does anyone have the scoop about what happened on Dean and Vanderbilt around 1-1:30 this afternoon? A ton of cop cars and yellow tape.
I was driving by about 1:30 and saw all of the yellow tape and cop cars. I called Doris at the Community Board and she said she heard there was a shooting. No more details. Also left a message with Det. Ratton at the 77. His assistant said he was out, possibly at the site.[/quote] Nice scoop! -
From what I'm hearing, there definitely was a shooting. It took place in the bar on the corner of Vanderbilt and Dean (the one with the frosted glass and blue lights). Rumor has it that the landlord, who's been giving the bar owner some major and borderline insane problems since he opened, flipped out and shot three people in the bar around 1 pm. I head that the landlord, who used to be a cop, possibly came into the bar in a police uniform and opened fire. One person was killed, and another was shot while running out of the bar. Luckily, a firetruck was driving by when the injured person fell out of the restaurant. They thought the man had had a heartattack, but soon realized he had been shot. Someone else was shot, but I don't know what the circumstance is. The bar owner seems to be ok and spent the day at the police station answering questions. I don't know what's going on with the landlord. Hopefully he's behind bars.
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lulu's momma » From what I'm hearing, there definitely was a shooting. It took place in the bar on the corner of Vanderbilt and Dean (the one with the frosted glass and blue lights). Rumor has it that the landlord, who's been giving the bar owner some major and borderline insane problems since he opened, flipped out and shot three people in the bar around 1 pm. I head that the landlord, who used to be a cop, possibly came into the bar in a police uniform and opened fire. One person was killed, and another was shot while running out of the bar. Luckily, a firetruck was driving by when the injured person fell out of the restaurant. They thought the man had had a heartattack, but soon realized he had been shot. Someone else was shot, but I don't know what the circumstance is. The bar owner seems to be ok and spent the day at the police station answering questions. I don't know what's going on with the landlord. Hopefully he's behind bars.
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oh my god. a lot of us know the owners and bartenders there. I'm very concerned - please keep us updated. oh my god.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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sorry for the families of those shot. waaaaaaay too close to home.
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Just to clarify, this is Indigo that we're talking about, and the owner is the hostile guy that lives upstairs, right? Crap, crap, crap....not that there's anything wrong with that.
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I heard that the crazy owner of the building shot a guy who always helps people around the block. Shot him in the back and killed him.
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Oh no! I knew they had some very serious problems with the landord from day one. Yes, he lives right upstairs. I decided not to go into my shop today due to a cold, so I missed everything. wow, this is terrible.
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The owners and bartenders are so sweet there - I remember they were closed for a long period because of the landlord. Then they reopened and I assumed they worked it out. That really sucks and my condolences to the family of the person killed.
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This news is very upsetting - my heart goes out to the families of those shot.
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WhyFi » Just to clarify, this is Indigo that we're talking about, and the owner is the hostile guy that lives upstairs, right? Crap, crap, crap.
I think there are two groups of owners being discussed - the owner(s) of the bar, and the owner of building.
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Subject: Shooting at the Indigo Blue Bar
Please understand that Clement Calixte was never a police officer. He was until recently a member of the Auxiliary at the 77th Precinct. -
Subject: Re: Shooting at the Indigo Blue Bar
Insuremeeg » Please understand that Clement Calixte was never a police officer. He was until recently a member of the Auxiliary at the 77th Precinct.
wait .. what? how is Clement Calixte involved? thanks!like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote -
Don't know the building owners name but he used to be an aux. at the 77. There has been alot of tension between the owner and the bar staff. Most of the problems have involved the landlord being upset about loud music at night. Today the situation escalated when the building owner put on his aux uniform and entered the bar. A physical altercation occured by a bar employee or possibly the bar owner. During the struggle the landlord pulled a firearm from his pocket. The struggle continued as a plumber (who had been doing work in the basement) walked through the front door and was shot. The plumber is deceased. I can't confirm the condition of any other possible victims. The fire dept called NYPD for a possible hostage situation. When police arrived the landlord and bar staff were still fighting and he was still holding the gun. Police quickly arrested the landlord who is probably by now at "da bookins". P.S. From what I understand the aux has been arrested in the past.And that's the way it is.
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oh man. the barebones facts I know re: the lease situation: the owners of the bar (aka the people leasing the space) were clear and explicit that they were renting a space for a bar. I believe the lease was explicit. the owner was upset about noise and music from the bar. the judge, in the lawsuit that stemmed from all of the lease drama, said something like "lease says bar, lease = bar". not sure how guns enter in, except as awful. I'm very worried about everyone involved, honestly. I'm so sorry that someone was killed in this - truly an awful event. I hope a resolution, both criminal and civil, comes soon.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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NYT November 9, 2006 Brooklyn: Man Accused of Murder By JENNIFER 8. LEE A 67-year-old Brooklyn man was arrested yesterday and charged with fatally shooting a man in Prospect Heights, the police said. The two men were arguing around 1 p.m. at 583 Vanderbilt Avenue when the gunman, Clement Calixte, shot the other man once in the back, the police said. The victim, whom the police did not identify, was taken to New York Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead."Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait."
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Smokin' Joe » NYT November 9, 2006 Brooklyn: Man Accused of Murder By JENNIFER 8. LEE A 67-year-old Brooklyn man was arrested yesterday and charged with fatally shooting a man in Prospect Heights, the police said. The two men were arguing around 1 p.m. at 583 Vanderbilt Avenue when the gunman, Clement Calixte, shot the other man once in the back, the police said. The victim, whom the police did not identify, was taken to New York Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
oh man. thanks for posting this. I'm so worried.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote -
awful as it is, it sounds like it was one wacko, who will probably not be returning to the neighborhood anytime soon. question for the cops who are posting here: what exactly is an auxiliary? and are they permitted to carry guns? and if one has been previously arrested, as paraderest says about this guy, can he still be a member?"Here's a little tip I would like to relate: Many fish bites if you got good bait."
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I'm not a cop but I believe Auxiliary means volunteer. Auxiliary do not carry guns, they only wear uniforms that clearly state "Auxiliary" on the patch. They assist the regular NYPD or NYFD."Clamato! Straight Up! No chasah!
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'Loving' activist in slay rap Ex-auxiliary cop, 67, kills man amid rent dispute BY KERRY BURKE, RACHEL MONAHAN and ROBERT F. MOORE DAILY NEWS WRITERS A Bible-thumping Brooklyn community activist, clad in an auxiliary cop uniform, fatally shot his tenant's helper yesterday - putting a deadly end to a rent dispute, a police source said. Clement Calixte, 67, a former NYPD auxiliary captain, wept openly as he was grilled by real cops about the shooting at Indigo Blue, a bar in Prospect Heights, the source said. "My husband heard noises downstairs," said the suspect's wife, Cecile, 66. "They were destroying the place." Calixte, who lives above the Vanderbilt Ave. business, went to check on the noise about 1 p.m. and found bar owner Alan Henry and the doomed worker, George Martin, inside. The landlord confronted Henry and ordered him not to move anything out of the building, the source said. Calixte had been in housing court just hours before trying to get Henry - who allegedly owed $19,000 in back rent - tossed from the building. "He was supposed to be evicted today," the landlord's wife said. "This is what happens when you have bad tenants." Calixte, who has a permit to carry a .38-caliber handgun, pulled out the weapon. He and Henry wrestled over the gun and it went off, striking Martin, 41, in the back, a second police source said. Martin staggered from the bar and collapsed on the sidewalk. The father of two, who did custodial work at the bar and other businesses, died at Methodist Hospital, authorities said. He lived around the corner from the bar. Calixte stayed at the scene and was arrested. The former auxiliary cop in the 77th Precinct was awaiting arraignment on a murder charge last night. "He used to always wear a police uniform," said Johnny Mercado, 36, a livery cab dispatcher. "He would say, 'Peace and love,' to everyone on the street. It's hard to believe that he'd actually shoot anyone." Community leaders last night were also grappling with the idea that the kindhearted man known for talking about God could be accused of murder. "He's a God-fearing, loving person who likes to help other people out," said James Caldwell, president of the 77th Precinct Community Council. "I'm totally surprised. He always likes to talk things out." The victim's relatives said Martin was shot while helping Henry move furniture to the bar's new location at Franklin Ave. and Dean St. "He was a good guy," said Martin's cousin, Tambra Whitfield, 41. "He was just working."
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So sad....not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Jack Krohn » "My husband heard noises downstairs," said the suspect's wife, Cecile, 66. "They were destroying the place." Calixte had been in housing court just hours before trying to get Henry - who allegedly owed $19,000 in back rent - tossed from the building. "He was supposed to be evicted today," the landlord's wife said. "This is what happens when you have bad tenants."
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I'm acquainted with Clement Calixte for years as a member of Community Board 8. He always seemed like a kindly if some what confused soul. I recall that he's had quite a few health issues in recent years. If anything, this whole sad story is a great argument for gun control. I hope that Bloomberg can use it in his fight to get rid of hand guns in NYC.
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thats crazy so what is the real story? was the tenant / bar owner the victim of the crazy landlord with the insane demands? or was the landlord just trying to protect his property from a horrible tenant?
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jgregorie » thats crazy so what is the real story? was the tenant / bar owner the victim of the crazy landlord with the insane demands? or was the landlord just trying to protect his property from a horrible tenant?
well. if you're a landlord, and you sign a 10 year lease for a bar, do you really have any right to say "gee, that bar sure is noisy after 10 p.m.?" unfortunately, the LL lives right above the bar, and complained about noise constantly. people talked too loud, the music was too loud, the classic reggae night was too loud, etc. but ... as the judge said, his signed the lease. (that was the first court decided dispute). no clue about the rent - I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Alain couldn't pay the rent - they had to close during the "noise" dispute and it's pretty tough to cover your rent and costs when youcan't open your business.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote -
Alan is a really nice guy. My interaction with the owner of the building is limited to being yelled at/threatened by him as I stood outside the bar with a few other folks. We were talking slightly louder than an 'inside voice,' well before 11pm... Side note, WTF does 'God fearing' mean? This has always bothered me - does this mean that, if not for the threat of divine retribution, God fearing people would be raping and pillaging?...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Subject: Police and Dean and Vanderbilt
Unfortunately, the Daily News got the story completely wrong. Alan was illegally evicted back in August. He did the legal thing by taking the Calixtes to court to get back into his bar. When he secured the legal right to reenter his bar, much of his equipment in the basement for the soda gun and the compressor for the refrigeration unit were destroyed. Liquor, glasses and money from the cash register were stolen. Someone even stole his New York State Liquor license. And all of this occured even though the judge said that neither party was to enter the bar area. Then the judge said he was still responsible for the rent during what seems to amount to an illegal eviction. Try as he might, Alan couldn't make rent because the constant harassment ( noise complaint calls to the police, locking him out of his portion of the basement and then shutting off Alan's lights during a busy night) and he had decided to give up at this location. The question everyone should ask themselves is why, when you have a completely renovated space to rent to the next tenant, would you deny Alan the right to remove his equipment? And, if you didn't want to hear music at night, why rent to a bar? -
Aux. do not carry firearms as part of their volunteer duties. My understanding is that Clement had a pistol permit. I don't think gun control is the answer. For the most part, legal guns and legal gun owners are not involved in violent crime. More gun laws will only hurt law abiding people.And that's the way it is.
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I feel really bad for Alain and Nixon and everyone else. they had a really fantastic bar with a lot to offer the neighborhood. I certainly enjoyed every one of my visits there. it really sucks that the Daily News got the story so wrong, and that the bar's lunatic landlord decided to kill someone over property that wasn't his.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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alafairnadia » I feel really bad for Alain and Nixon and everyone else. they had a really fantastic bar with a lot to offer the neighborhood. I certainly enjoyed every one of my visits there. it really sucks that the Daily News got the story so wrong, and that the bar's lunatic landlord decided to kill someone over property that wasn't his.
Alafair - didn't Nixon say that they did the renovations themselves (mind you this used to be an auto supply store I think). -
stacey » [quote="alafairnadia"]I feel really bad for Alain and Nixon and everyone else. they had a really fantastic bar with a lot to offer the neighborhood. I certainly enjoyed every one of my visits there. it really sucks that the Daily News got the story so wrong, and that the bar's lunatic landlord decided to kill someone over property that wasn't his.
Alafair - didn't Nixon say that they did the renovations themselves (mind you this used to be an auto supply store I think).[/quote] yeah. they had a lot of dreams tied up in that place and were willing to put a lot of sweat equity into making them happen. one of my last conversations with Nixon regarding renovations was that they were planning to remove the frosted coating on the windows. and omg - remember how psyched they were when they got their beer taps? every time things really started taking off, the landlord would call the cops or drive customers away or lock them out or whatever.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote -
what a bizarre statement:
Jack Krohn » "He was supposed to be evicted today," the landlord's wife said. "This is what happens when you have bad tenants."
really? this is what happens when you have bad tenants? are we suddenly living in the wild west where all landlord-tenant disputes are settled by gunfire?[/b]selfindulgence.com -
Agreed, ana.log. This is so awful. Since I can't do anything about it, I wrote a letter to the Daily News about how stupid their coverage was. Here are some addresses I tracked down. No bounces yet. kburke@edit.nydailynews.com rmonahan@edit.nydailynews.com rmoore@edit.nydailynews.com voicers@edit.nydailynews.com news@edit.nydailynews.com
I really have to wonder what you were thinking when you wrote an article so openly sympathetic to a man who had just shot someone. Whether someone is "God-fearing" or not seems wholly irrelevant once he has attempted to settle a nonviolent dispute with a gun. I also have to ask why you made no attempt to talk to the bar owners, when you were so ready to take the words of Calixte's wife and friends at face value. If you had, you'd have learned what everyone in the neighborhood seems to know--that Calixte was trying to break the terms of their lease illegally and that the bar was doing poorly and could not make rent because it was always closed during the legal dispute. I can't say that I have a particularly high opinion of the News in general, but this was exceptionally shoddy work.
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Emily » Agreed, ana.log. This is so awful. Since I can't do anything about it, I wrote a letter to the Daily News about how stupid their coverage was. Here are some addresses I tracked down. No bounces yet. kburke@edit.nydailynews.com rmonahan@edit.nydailynews.com rmoore@edit.nydailynews.com voicers@edit.nydailynews.com news@edit.nydailynews.com
Kudos to you. =D>I really have to wonder what you were thinking when you wrote an article so openly sympathetic to a man who had just shot someone. Whether someone is "God-fearing" or not seems wholly irrelevant once he has attempted to settle a nonviolent dispute with a gun. I also have to ask why you made no attempt to talk to the bar owners, when you were so ready to take the words of Calixte's wife and friends at face value. If you had, you'd have learned what everyone in the neighborhood seems to know--that Calixte was trying to break the terms of their lease illegally and that the bar was doing poorly and could not make rent because it was always closed during the legal dispute. I can't say that I have a particularly high opinion of the News in general, but this was exceptionally shoddy work.
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Nice work, Emily!
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Reply from one of the reporters (posted w/ her permission):
Dear Ms. M-----, I didn't write an article sympathetic to the gunman. My editor did. I talked to people in the neighborhood who had knowledge of the business dispute. I talked with neighbors who described Calixte as "a nut." Some of both elements were featured in the story. Unfortunately, most of both points of view were edited out. Space is a tyrant in the newspaper business. Next time, we'll try to do better. Best, kerry b.
She confirmed that one of the addresses I hit was her editor, so point made."Now if every newspaper editor had to deal with a reader like Emily, boy, would they think twice, or three times." --greg -
great job, Emily! thank you.like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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Ditto. Now if every newspaper editor had to deal with a reader like Emily, boy, would they think twice, or three times.
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oh how do you get their contact info? i sometimes when reading nytimes articles realise they make some mistakes. i want to contract them about some errors.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Emily » Reply from one of the reporters (posted w/ her permission):
that's great, good point-makingDear Ms. M-----, I didn't write an article sympathetic to the gunman. My editor did. I talked to people in the neighborhood who had knowledge of the business dispute. I talked with neighbors who described Calixte as "a nut." Some of both elements were featured in the story. Unfortunately, most of both points of view were edited out. Space is a tyrant in the newspaper business. Next time, we'll try to do better. Best, kerry b.
She confirmed that one of the addresses I hit was her editor, so point made.
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Great work Emily. For the record, Kerry Burke is a man (i've watched him on the reality TV show about the Daily News, "Tabolis Wars." He's pretty sympathetic on the show.
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Oops! Apologies if he's reading. In the end, it seems like they did good reporting and the story got hacked to death. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but at a certain point, if you have too little space to tell the story well, you probably shouldn't try. Anyone seen the Indigo Blue guys around?"Now if every newspaper editor had to deal with a reader like Emily, boy, would they think twice, or three times." --greg
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yeah .. do we know when the franklin & dean location is opening? it's actually the same distance from my house as indigo, so ....like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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The Franklin and Dean location has yet to have it's liquor license approved. I have a feeling it won't be too soon.And that's the way it is.
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Yeah weirdly someone left the metro section on the 2 train on my way home tonight and I happen to read the blurb on the shooting. Then I come home check the boards and hear all this. I mean, that is really f-ed up and horrible. My sympathies go to the victim's families. I can't believe someone would shoot someone over back rent and in broad daylight. That is totally psychotic.
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More gun laws will only hurt law abiding people.
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Wow. From start to finish, this is one of the most amazing stories to develop on these boards. I did a piece on it here: http://www.dailyheights.com/archives/1082Brooklynian on Twitter: http://twitter.com/brooklynian
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