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Just wondering if someone can tekk me about the safety around the 400 Lincoln Place building (Lincoln Place and Washington). I'm looking at an apartment there...but am concerned bout safety. I tend to get off work after 9pm, and i'm a woman in her twenties....would it be safe for me to walk alone from the subway? What about at around 3am?Would you let your mother/girlfriend live there alone? Thanks!
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Who are you? Meaning, wherefore art thou coming from? Queens and Kentucky are a world apart. That is a short walk and I would probably be pretty comfortable with it. But not for my mom, because she is dead and the whole zombie thing would be a bit much."It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level! -
i live in Kensington, Brooklyn right now.
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ellenana007 » i live in Kensington, Brooklyn right now.
so, not a zombie
In a word, yes. It's fine. Lots of people live there. It kind of depends on you.
I've set my midwestern MIL walking around there at night.
Walk around with a friend at different hours and see how it feels to you - get something to eat at The Islands, 803 Washington Ave, near Eastern Pkwy. I don't know that exact building but I have friends a couple blocks over between Classon and Washington who I visit often.
There are the typical dangers for men or women -- absolutely do not walk around distracted by headphones or talking on your phone. -
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How come people are terrified of Washington Ave?I have lived on the Avenue for the last 4 years and i have never felt unsafe or threatened by anyone or anything!The life that has borne me me through these years is still in my hands and in my eyes. Wether i have subdued it, i know not. But so long as it is there it will seek its own way out, heedless of the will that is within me. Erich Maria Remarque -
Can anyone else give me their opinion on this area? What are the demographics? Also...is $1450 reasonable for a studio/junior 1br in that area? Lastly, i know st john's/lincoln place is a very dangerous area....according to the crime map. Will i hear ANY gunshots?
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ellenana007 » Can anyone else give me their opinion on this area? What are the demographics? Also...is $1450 reasonable for a studio/junior 1br in that area? Lastly, i know st john's/lincoln place is a very dangerous area....according to the crime map. Will i hear ANY gunshots?
Demographics? If you are asking how white it is, yeah, it seems pretty white around there to me. $1450 seems reasonable for that in the location given. "i know st john's/lincoln place is a very dangerous area" - I take issue with the statement that Lincoln and Washington is very dangerous. If you are looking for someone to tell you that you will NEVER hear a gunshot, well, my crystal ball is broke. And how sensitive are you to such things? If you are home a lot and listening for it, I would bet you hear something at some point in a standard year lease."It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level! -
ellenana007 » Will i hear ANY gunshots?
yes, likely not to worry daver, my EightBall is up and running there's better places than this message board if you want demographic info. check the u.s. census, or everyblock.com although what that info is going to actually mean . . . seems like not much remember our little local crime map doesn't have info from everywhere - I think it makes PH look bad since surrounding nabes are not filled in as much. It's *not* that crime does not exist in the rest of NYC . . . -
pitu » there's better places than this message board if you want demographic info. check the u.s. census, or everyblock.com although what that info is going to actually mean . . . seems like not much
The most recent census data is already 8 years out of date..which will make it even less meaningful. There's no substitute to walking around at 3am if you want to know what it's like to come home at 3am. -
arches » There's no substitute to walking around at 3am
You had me right there...
"It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level! -
I would hardly call Lincoln/Washington a DANGEROUS area.
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Subject: Re: Safety around 400 Lincoln Place area
ellenana007 » Just wondering if someone can tekk me about the safety around the 400 Lincoln Place building (Lincoln Place and Washington). I'm looking at an apartment there...but am concerned bout safety. I tend to get off work after 9pm, and i'm a woman in her twenties....would it be safe for me to walk alone from the subway? What about at around 3am?Would you let your mother/girlfriend live there alone? Thanks!
Which end of the block is 400 located closes to, Underhill or Washington? If it's Underhill, you could always get off at GAP and hoof it. Most of the buildings on Plaza Street have doormen at night...at least you know you can run into a lobby if you need to. If it's closer to Washington it will be a much shorter walk from Eastern Parkway. Doing the walk at 3am should be enough info for you to decided. I used to live on St.J's in the middle of the block btwn underhill and Washington (6 yrs) and never had a problem strolling home from eastern parkway post midnight, just look AWAKE and not drunk. As to $1400 for rent....sounds reasonable (as long as it is RS).Loving PH since '98! -
daver » [quote="arches"]There's no substitute to walking around at 3am
You had me right there... :mrgreen:[/quote] Your contract with brooklyian doesn't specify that you'll be paid by the word? You need a better agent
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arches » [quote="daver"][quote="arches"]There's no substitute to walking around at 3am
You had me right there... :mrgreen:[/quote] Your contract with brooklyian doesn't specify that you'll be paid by the word? You need a better agent :)[/quote] Next thing you'll be telling me that you're with a union too. "It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level! -
hello everyone: thanks for all the responses. 400 Lincoln is located @ the corner of Washington and Lincoln Place. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=400+Lincoln+Pl,+Brooklyn,+NY+11238,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title My biggest concern are the gunshots; will i hear gunshots/..what's with the walk at 3am, i cant read into what you're implying....can you just tell me what i can expect? You guys have been GREAT!
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There are drug dealers regularly on the corner of Washington and Lincoln, next to the bodega if that is an issue for you. Most of the muggings/gunshots seem happen further down Underhill, although there have been a few recent gunfire incidents nearby Lincoln/Underhill. The block's makeup seems to be split between families and 20-30something sinlges and encompasses many races (please ignore the insulting poster trying to read your mind by saying you want to know how white it is when all you did was ask a simple question). It is a pretty safe area and I have never had problems walking around late at night - but it may be different for women. The best part is how close you are to the Park, Museum, Library, Botanical Gardens, and Subways. I must say I am shocked at what a 1BR/Studio goes for there though - I have a spacious 1BR for just over $750... but of course I have been rent stabilized since 1992! I hope you make the move, we are always glad to have another nice person move on our block!
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As long as you aren't stumbling drunk and vaguely aware of your surroundings, the short walk from the subway should be no problem at 3am. If you are stumbling drunk and listening to you iPod with one ear and talking on your cell phone with the other, you'll probably still be OK. But it isn't recommended or daver approved (tm). You will probably hear gunshots at some point. Especially if you are listening for them. It is a decent neighborhood IMO."It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level! -
My wife and I are planning to move in right next to your building, and I've talked to five or six people who live right there, and none heard those gunshots. The gunshots happened, but the folks I talked to didn't hear anything. This blog is good at being frightening. We lived in Fort Greene for two years, and I thought we were in a happy, safe, charming neighborhood. Now I read on the internet that people were dealing crack out of the big building across the street from us the whole time. Who knew?
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Check this out: http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41358&start=0&sid=bcefbdfffcfa66f5f6792bcf5d8f80fb About a week ago the same question came up—drugs, shootings, strollers, yuppie bars, drugs at yuppie bars, etc.—and the conversation went on for several pages.
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silverager » It is a pretty safe area and I have never had problems walking around late at night - but it may be different for women.
Yeah, if you are a woman and coming home alone after midnight sometimes men think it's o.k. to touch you or grab your arm. Not cool. But I'd rather it happen on Washington than the East-West Streets. -
What you really need to be concerned about in the medium term on that block is being forced out by the relentless creep of Aristocratization.The world will little note nor long remember what we say here. -- Abraham Lincoln
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doctorj » What you really need to be concerned about in the medium term on that block is being forced out by the relentless creep of Aristocratization.
oh dr j hahaFight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
I like to stick it to The Man, The Man happens to be Liberal in NYC(power Structure). -
vanilla » [quote="silverager"]It is a pretty safe area and I have never had problems walking around late at night - but it may be different for women.
Yeah, if you are a woman and coming home alone after midnight sometimes men think it's o.k. to touch you or grab your arm. Not cool. But I'd rather it happen on Washington than the East-West Streets.[/quote] !!! When and how often did that happen to you? Did you know the person? Did you call the cops after and if not, why not? To grab someone's arm, especially at midnight, it's not normal. At the very least, a person who does something like that should expect a face full of mace. Has anyone else heard of anything like this? -
prospectus » [quote="vanilla"][quote="silverager"]It is a pretty safe area and I have never had problems walking around late at night - but it may be different for women.
Yeah, if you are a woman and coming home alone after midnight sometimes men think it's o.k. to touch you or grab your arm. Not cool. But I'd rather it happen on Washington than the East-West Streets.[/quote] !!! When and how often did that happen to you? Did you know the person? Did you call the cops after and if not, why not? To grab someone's arm, especially at midnight, it's not normal. At the very least, a person who does something like that should expect a face full of mace. Has anyone else heard of anything like this?[/quote] Yes this happens often in Brooklyn (not sure anywhere else but this is where I grew up). I wouldn't go so far as call the cops - most of the time these guys are just trying to rap to a pretty woman and I usually tell them there is no need to touch me or my husband/boyfriend would not appreciate that. 99% of the time they just let it go and I go about my business. -
I lived in that building for 2.5 years and never had a problem with crime or feeing unsafe. I am a woman in her early 30s and I came home at all times of night. Getting to 400 Lincoln from the subway is a straight shot on a very busy street. If you have to walk home from somewhere else late at night, I'd cut over to Eastern Parkway rather than walk up Lincoln Place. The building across the street by the bodega is a bit sketchy and loud, which was more of an issue for me. (Parties till the wee hours in the summer, people shouting.) As for the building, I loved living there and really felt part of a community with my neighbors, which is worth a lot, in my opinion.
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I spent a lot of time looking at the building right next to you. The corner has a bad reputation. Washington Avenue is the old border between Crown Heights and Prospect Heights, and it has been blighted like many streets that form the borders between neighborhoods. Does anyone remember 15th and 16th Streets in Park Slope when they marked the Slope's southern edge? Classon Avenue between Fort Green and Bed Stuy full of broken windows. Now as gentrification spreads, that border is moving from Washington Avenue. The Police have identified the highest crime area in the 77th Precinct, and it's not Washington Avenue. It's a couple hundred yards away. The Impact Zone, which has received about 40 extra police officers, starts at Franklin Avenue and stretches to Nostrand. I don't think the tide is going to turn back. The corner of Lincoln and Washington has three co-op buildings on it, 375, 394, and 400, and the homeowners there are extremely vigilant about calling 311 about noise or anything else they don't like. At the building I looked at, they log their calls and they only had to call 311 five times last summer for noise. But the corner still has the marks on it from only recently being a tough place. There are still some beat-down disfunctional people walking around. My last visit, I saw a guy wrestle and clumsily slap at a woman while she hung onto his shirt and told people to call the cops, all next to their stroller with a kid in it at nine in the morning. About six people, me included, ran up, but someone who knew the couple told the people to let them alone. I walked down the sidewalk and called 911 anyway, but the cops didn't show up fast and the people dispersed. A few minutes later I passed the corner again, on purpose to see what happened, the couple was wrestling by a street tree and then guy walked off with the stroller while the woman cried to the family friend. Other people complain about kids throwing dice. At least two people on this blog are still convinced the drug sellers are out, selling pot. Most of the 7 people I talked to that live there disagreed. The cops say they sometimes catch people with open containers of alcohol or a joint. Not much more serious than that though. According to the U.S. Census the average income there is $40,000 and 10% of the residents are on public assistance. So most people work. Most of the people on the endless stretch of Lincoln Place between Washington and Underhill are black, also according to the census. It's a family vibe. Moms stand out on the stoops with their kids. I saw a lot of older people. And then there are the gentrifiers: whether they are Black or white or Asian, you can pick out the people with big ideas of themselves and cell phones or iPhones or whatever and there are probably more every year, though the balance hasn't shifted yet. Here's the thing, Washington has been blighted since the riots in 1968. But it doesn't make sense, it should be more valuable than some of Park Slope because of the subway stop and the museum plus the nice architecture. Washington Avenue is designed to be a main commercial strip. Look at the buildings, taller and grander than Vanderbilt. Instead it's been a barrier along with the tangle of streets around Grand Army. It's been a barrier like the corner of Flatbush and 4th Avenue used to be: Before Ratner's two malls there was that huge crater and the chain link fencing that used to keep the gentrification off of Fort Greene. Now most people I talk to agree that the corner is a safe place. Check the mugging map, there's nothing really on Washington. The worst you could say about the corner is that it can feel really depressed. Or maybe manic depressive. Washington already has the bipolar look of a gentrifying street, with Cafe Shane and the new Greek Place and the gleaming, Death Star-looking condos at 475 Sterling, next to the liquor store and the grimy bodega, supposedly a drug spot but I know young parents that buy milk there. It's an odd mix. For better or worse, that's hardly a barrier.
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Prospectus- What 1968 riots are you talking about? Never heard of this...."...you can choose the rain....but I choose the sun..." - N. Costa
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I got that from the "Encyclopedia of New York": "Eventually many buildings were abandoned and the neighborhood declined, and during the 1960s Washington Avenue was the site of severe race riots and arson that destroyed many buildings." Here's the whole entry, as quoted on this blog by Carnivore back in January: http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40080&highlight=&sid=f44d3121b97b05263497a931e60555bb
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Whatchuwant » Prospectus- What 1968 riots are you talking about? Never heard of this....
two bits of information... + Prospectus - this is a message board, not a blog. just one of those things that people should know
+ 1968 riots. I'm guessing that would be part of the post-MLK assassination America Is Burning situation. It was just the 40th Anniversary.
Nina Simone did a show in Conn days later, and played a new song she and her band wrote called The King Of Love Is Dead. I just heard Simone's brother on the radio talking about it. Devastating.
now back to your regularly scheduled programming....
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Fast forward to 2013:
The area surrounding 400 Lincoln Place has dramatically changed, and the majority of the apartments are now for sale ...not rental.
"Co-op of the Day"
This new co-op listing at 400 Lincoln Place is a rare chance to get a real prewar one-bedroom in Prospect Heights for under $300,000. Granted, at $299,000, it’s barely under $300,000, but still seems like a decent option for someone looking to get into the market. The big downside about this place is that the kitchen and the dining/living area are one in the same. Other than that, the windows, prewar vibe and proximity to subways are all positives. This place sold for $211,145 back in 2006.
http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/03/co-op-of-the-day-400-lincoln-place-2b/#disqus_thread
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
I moved there in December from Cobble Hill (bought) and I have never felt nervous or threatened. AS soon as I got there I felt like a million changes took place too. Lincoln Station/Eastern Parkway Median almost finish, The refacing of United Deli. I haven't lived through the lively spring or summer but the winter was pin-drop quiet.
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Oh man, that first open house is going to be a doozy - great price for anything in the hood. @LaddHalsey - I've lived on the block for almost 10 years and the loud summer/spring thing really hasn't been such a factor in the last couple. The obvious exception being the Labor Day weekend of course.
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The maintenance is $400 a month, which isn't bad if the building is up to date on its mechanicals and infrastructure.
Check that electrical, plumbing, elevator and roof. Make sure they have repointed that facade.
When were the windows done?
How many of the apartments are still sponsor owned rentals?
For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor. -
I checked out a unit in there during the summer. The lobby garden is really cool and so is the view from the roof deck!
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Wow, times have changed in four years.
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