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Does anyone have any info on the shootout yesterday on lincoln place?
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i was home all day until 10pm and heard nothing but some kids setting of firecrackers. what time? is it the firecrackers you heard?
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the cops had the whole block taped off at classon, couldnt have been firecrackers
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I heard something very late at night, possibly even midnight? It sounded like at least 10 shots if that is what it was.
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There was definitely a shooting (or at least shots fired), it was around 6 pm and I was right around the corner on Eastern Parkway. The shooting took place on Classon and Lincoln. I heard about 5 shots go off and then several people came running up Classon away from Lincoln and towards E Pkwy screaming that someone was shooting. Have not seen any report about it though.
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wow at 6pm? that's broad daylight!
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Yes thats what i was talking about ... i called the precinct and they told me there was no shooting. What a bunch of bitches.
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Anonymous » There was definitely a shooting (or at least shots fired), it was around 6 pm and I was right around the corner on Eastern Parkway. The shooting took place on Classon and Lincoln. I heard about 5 shots go off and then several people came running up Classon away from Lincoln and towards E Pkwy screaming that someone was shooting. Have not seen any report about it though.
isn't there that wicked dodgy bodega on the northwest corner of that block? i am totally not surprised!cake or death? do you have a flag? -
In the 5+ years I've been in ProHo, I've not seen even one news report of any shootings I KNEW took place, {and sometimes saw the dead bodies afterwards, mostly on Washington Ave}. Why? I have no idea. It's like a big secret when bad things happen here. Word gets around, though. That's one reason this forum is so valuable. Pays to talk to your neighbors.
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i called the precinct and they told me there was no shooting.
I called about a mugging 1/2 block from my apartment. The officer/receptionist/whateveryoucallit who answered the phone barked back "I don't have to tell you that!" Remarkably, I kept my cool, and got through to a very friendly and accommodating Lieutenant who told me everything I wanted to know. From my experience, the 77th definitely seems to have a bit of a public relations issue. Some of them definitely want to keep people informed, but not everybody is on the same page.Brooklynian on Twitter: http://twitter.com/brooklynian
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dailyheights » I called about a mugging 1/2 block from my apartment. The officer/receptionist/whateveryoucallit who answered the phone barked back "I don't have to tell you that!" Remarkably, I kept my cool, and got through to a very friendly and accommodating Lieutenant who told me everything I wanted to know. From my experience, the 77th definitely seems to have a bit of a public relations issue. Some of them definitely want to keep people informed, but not everybody is on the same page.
Yeah I got past the first lady, she transfered me to somebody else who said they dont keep records or something ... I was like WTF??? So she transfered me to someboody else ... ended up getting nowhere -
I was mugged and beaten up pretty badly on Saint Johns Place between Underhill and Washington (I also happen to live on this stretch) Sunday night (19th). The police did not seem too interested in getting a description of the attacker and seemed to me to stop taking notes after "tall, black and in his late 20's", cutting me off when I offered descriptions of his clothing, what direction he ran in etc. My overall feeling was that they just didn't care. I've also had my apartment robbed twice in the past year. Both times eliciting a very lackluster response from the police. I'm very upset about the crime in this neighborhood and the lack of policing. It's no fun having to eat through a straw and knowing that the guy who nearly killed you likely lives on your block, if not your street.
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Whoa, daveb! That's my block! (And Isa's and someone else's I believe) What time and where exactly did that happen?
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that's horrible. best wishes for a speedy recovery. how sad about the apathetic police response.
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Candicissima » Whoa, daveb! That's my block! (And Isa's and someone else's I believe) What time and where exactly did that happen?
It was Saturday night at about 11 pm. I was walking towards Washington, a little past the middle of the block on the left side of the street (if facing towards Washington). There's a spot right near where that nice old homeless lady always hangs out that at night was really dark. The guy cornered me up againt the fence told me to give him my wallet and beat the crap out of me. If you heard and loud, frantic screams of "HELP!!!", that was me. I managed to get away after my yelling brought a few people to their windows. He didn't manage to get anything off of me though one of his punches sent my glasses flying (if you saw a guy scouring the street with a flashlight late that evening, that too, was me). I'm pretty sure it was one of the guys that either lives or hangs out in front of the apartment building closest to the Washington Ave corner. Who knows though. He just sauntered off as I scrambled my skinny bleeding self in the opposite direction. -
Daveb, so sorry that happened to you. I am embarassed that the police treated you so bad!
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That blows, I had an incident with local PD and they were pretty useless and seemed pressed to be on their way. Glad you're ok anyways"When Things should but dont work,
thats the work of all these Governors"
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Dave I am so sorry to hear this - and the way the cops treated you really sucks. You should call the police department's community affairs division and report it. If I am not mistaken you can contact this division of the police department to get them to assign a patrol that will come by the block a few times a night. Pepper spray and mace may be illegal but they are readily available here in NY - but you didn't hear that from me
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My next door neighbor was mugged and pistol-whipped in the vestibule of our building on st johns between franklin and classon, on a friday evening, between maybe 11pm and midnight. The guy must have been following him and pushed him into the vestibule when he unlocked the door. I like to think that this kind of stuff is an anomaly. This is my first summer in "proho", and it seems like things are a lot worse with the warm weather.
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DAMN that sucks. Call Letitia James maybe she will do something ....
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Dave that sucks. I always feel so safe on my block because there are always people hanging out all night. This is upsetting news.
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Wow, that's awful, and I wish you a speedy recovery inside and out. A few years ago I went to community safety meeting at the 77th precinct way up in Crown Heights, I think. I was pretty appalled/scared at the neighborhood there, it makes our end of the precinct look really tame. I wonder if the cops are so busy up there they just can't be bothered? On the other hand, I got my first summons for riding my bike on the sidewalk yesterday, the cops were very interested in making sure I felt like crap, and wouldn't let me off with a warning, instead gave me a ludicrous court date! A-holes. Great allocation of their resources, don't you think?
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Isaguest » Dave that sucks. I always feel so safe on my block because there are always people hanging out all night. This is upsetting news.
Normally my block is pretty busy too. Then again, it's busy with people selling drugs, smoking weed, gambling and basically being sketchy. There's good people, don't get me wrong, but that block of Saint Johns, specifically my side has a pretty aggressive presense of angry thug types. While they mostly talk bullshit to themselves, I'm pretty sure the guy who mugged me is from that crowd and I KNOW that when I was robbed twice, it came from that crowd as well (the robbers broke in through via the roof). It's scary stuff, but it's also sad. I see a lot wasted potential spent on that street, though at this point the only sympathy I feel is for the parents of these guys. -
sje » I went to community safety meeting at the 77th precinct way up in Crown Heights, I think. I was pretty appalled/scared at the neighborhood there, it makes our end of the precinct look really tame. I wonder if the cops are so busy up there they just can't be bothered?
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My block and your block are the same block. I'm friendly with some of the guys that hang out so I guess I feel protected but you never know.
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Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
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Anonymous » Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
THAT is the by far the most insightful and interesting thing I've heard all day. I'm going to look into that. Thanks. -
Funny you should mention it, Carnivore, I was just having drinks with some people and we were discussing how cops are supposed to live in the five boroughs but worm out of it. I think you've hit the nail on the head with that characterization. It's fine in some neighborhoods but in others it's antagonistic and prevents the cops from knowing the neighborhood."Now if every newspaper editor had to deal with a reader like Emily, boy, would they think twice, or three times." --greg
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Where are all the people that give advice on how to "protect " yourselves. I want to here some new GREAT ideas. i.e. "walk in the middle of the street." "carry s whistle" we all live in a rough innercity neighborhood. There is reason that rent is cheaper here then places like SOHO. Unfortunatly some of you haven't realized this yet
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Weird, I'm sitting in front of my building on my vespa half naked typing this into my blackberry while listening to my Ipod. Are you suggesting I should go inside and put some clothes on. I had no idea. Hopefully this guy approaching me will be able to break a hundred because I want to buy some ice cream from Mr Softee first but I know he doesn't take anything more than 20s.
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This one time? This guy tried to mug me. He was just some punk teenager trying to 'prove' himself, and he didn't have a weapon or anything and I was bigger than him and probably coulda defended myself but I didn't really feel like hand-to-hand combat at the time, so I ran. Ran like the fucking wind. It worked. How's that for advice?
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Sje, I got a summons for riding on the sidewalk about a month ago. Because the cars were double-parked on my block, I rode 1/4 a block to the corner (I live on Park b/w Classon and Franklin) and was about to hop onto the street when, Hello, officer. After I got a ticket, I was like, Don't you have anything better to do? Like perhaps look into some drug dealing or shooting. They smirked. "We don't know anything about drug dealing or shooting, do we? Maybe we'll take you into the station and you can tell us all about it." I thanked them for filling their quota and walked away. Blah. The court date will be your biggest waste of life. Show up, stand around, and have them tell you that the fine is $50. Luckily, you can pay with a credit card!
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DaveB, I am so sorry to hear about the mugging and the lackluster response from the NYPD. I wish you a speedy recovery. After reading your account of the mugging as well as the break ins you have experienced, if you are a renter I would seriously consider moving to another part of the neighborhood. It seems that certain blocks in Prospect Heights are worse than others. My husband experienced a mugging very similar to what you described in 1991. He bounced back from the experience but it took some time. Be sure to take care of yourself. Best, DeeDee
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DeeDee » DaveB, I am so sorry to hear about the mugging and the lackluster response from the NYPD. I wish you a speedy recovery. After reading your account of the mugging as well as the break ins you have experienced, if you are a renter I would seriously consider moving to another part of the neighborhood. It seems that certain blocks in Prospect Heights are worse than others. My husband experienced a mugging very similar to what you described in 1991. He bounced back from the experience but it took some time. Be sure to take care of yourself. Best, DeeDee
Thanks, I actually was planning on moving prior to all this happening anyway. For the time being, I'll be moving to Washington Ave. at the end of the month. It's not much better, but at least it's an active street and the likelihood of stuff like that happening is less. I'm committed to sticking to this neighborhood though and while I do plan to move again, I'm only thinking of just getting myself closer to Flatbush. -
sje » Wow, that's awful, and I wish you a speedy recovery inside and out. A few years ago I went to community safety meeting at the 77th precinct way up in Crown Heights, I think. I was pretty appalled/scared at the neighborhood there, it makes our end of the precinct look really tame. I wonder if the cops are so busy up there they just can't be bothered?
its definately a possibility. there's a pretty heavy beat cop presence where i live. i've been in crown heights for 4 years and nobody has yet messed with me or my boyfriend, even the "corner businessmen." whereas i have been randomly punched on the street TWICE in park slope by some "badass thugs," and i have been followed by a gang of miscreants in williamsburg who were so obnoxious and scary my rather large male firends and i had to duck into a bar to get away from them. though its not like we wouldn't have ended up in a bar, it was still unsettling. so maybe those that would be prone to engaging in a little of the old ultraviolence just go over to park slope, williamsburg, or prospect heights where the takings might be better than my empty wallet. ugh...i don't think i logged in...this is t-fal -
so maybe those that would be prone to engaging in a little of the old ultraviolence just go over to park slope, williamsburg, or prospect heights where the takings might be better than my empty wallet.
While I get your point totally, it's funny because a few years ago I was living in Williamsburg at the corner of Rodney and Broadway. If you don't know it, just take my word that it's a really, really bad area, far away from the hipsters. Projects, gangs, crackheads, it was terrible. Yet, no one ever messed with me and my apartment never got robbed. Go figure.[/quote] -
Dave, I'm terribly sorry that you experienced that. I know how you feel, because I've been there, too. One thing that helped me in the aftermath was looking back and analyzing what had happened to me. By doing that, I learned an awful lot about body language, environmental cues, and general safety tips. As a result, I've been able to avoid a handful of potentially troubling situations ever since. A good general web resource is http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com, which is a comprehensive resource on the topic. If you're feeling shaken, it might help to call the city's help line, 1-800-LIFENET, and get some referrals for crime victims groups. Speaking with others who have endured the same thing might help you cope. Lastly, by googling "post traumatic stress disorder" you can learn about some typical emotional reactions to attacks such as yours. PTSD was originally aimed at soldiers in combat, but it can be applied to any traumatic situation. Hang in there and keep your chin up. With time, you'll feel better.
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Jack Krohn » Dave, I'm terribly sorry that you experienced that. I know how you feel, because I've been there, too. One thing that helped me in the aftermath was looking back and analyzing what had happened to me. By doing that, I learned an awful lot about body language, environmental cues, and general safety tips. As a result, I've been able to avoid a handful of potentially troubling situations ever since. A good general web resource is http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com, which is a comprehensive resource on the topic. If you're feeling shaken, it might help to call the city's help line, 1-800-LIFENET, and get some referrals for crime victims groups. Speaking with others who have endured the same thing might help you cope. Lastly, by googling "post traumatic stress disorder" you can learn about some typical emotional reactions to attacks such as yours. PTSD was originally aimed at soldiers in combat, but it can be applied to any traumatic situation. Hang in there and keep your chin up. With time, you'll feel better.
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I can totally understand the frustration many feel re: police presence in the neighborhood and their “indifference†to the crimes that do take place. It is an issue that we often discuss in the Vanderbilt Avenue Merchants meeting. About a year ago a couple of us, business owners on Vanderbilt, got sick and tired about the lack of police presence and attention to emergency calls and managed to set up a meeting with the precinct. Interesting enough, every other politician also made an appearance to assure us that they cared about this neighborhood, wanted to help us succeed, blah, blah, and blah… In any case, the police told us that they were not always aware of the “crimes†that take place in the neighborhood because according to them people often do not report them. After the meeting we immediately saw officers patrolling and even got a beat cop walking around. This lasted for a couple of months and made a huge difference. Fewer muggings and definitely less people “hanging†around. However, as expected, the patrolling has stopped and problems again have started. I spoke to the Commanding Officer at the precinct, James O’Connell, last week and he said he would pay a little more attention to this area. But, I suggest that if any of you have had any problems, you should call him directly. He is a nice guy and means well, but definitely needs to be reminded that PH residents also have problems. And, of course, calling the politicians always helps especially in an election year.
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HouseBroken » I spoke to the Commanding Officer at the precinct, James O’Connell, last week and he said he would pay a little more attention to this area. But, I suggest that if any of you have had any problems, you should call him directly. He is a nice guy and means well, but definitely needs to be reminded that PH residents also have problems. And, of course, calling the politicians always helps especially in an election year.
Is there a central list for these numbers/people? If not, creating one would be pretty helpful, I think. I'd host it on my site, but i doubt it's topic appropriate. Dailyheights.com would be a better spot as it's community oriented. -
If someone wants to create it, I'll post it.Brooklynian on Twitter: http://twitter.com/brooklynian
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As you all know, anywhere in NYC around any corner lies a new adventure. Crime has been an unfortunate element of urban living and can spring up unpronounced. Though crime activity has greatly declined here in Prospect Heights over the years, it does seem to pick up during the summer (and the XMas holiday). Be especially careful when travelling alone down those long dark blocks. The St. Johns block between Washington and Underhill has been referred to as "Crazy Lane" by some of us. Also, locals are very agitated about rent hikes and the threat of having to relocate. People who have lived here all their lives are now being forced out. On another note, I'm surprised to see so many people casually active in the park late at night. Be aware as you become an easy target of crime. In the past there have been attacks, robberies, and rapes of joggers and others wandering about... especially after dark. Stay alert, keep your cell phone handy, try not to walk around noticeably wasted; whistles, mase, pepper spray and all that is good too. A former girlfriend of mine took a self defense class. I was surprised to see how many tricks there are to fend off attackers. This might be a good investment especially for young single women. I don't mean to go old school, but like Whodini said: "If you want to live yourself a nice quiet life, do yourself a favor and don't come out at night... cause, The Freaks Come Out At Night."
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Lack of police? I think I have seen a police officer on the beat in PH like maybe 5 times (besides that big fat one who hangs around the Q train). I do not know why cops have to be in cars all the time? Just so they can show up a but faster after a crime has been commited? I'd like to see more cops on bicyles or walking the beat. Personally, I'm not a fan of cops. I do not think of them as heroes. I do not know another profession where you can not do your job and still get paid. I do not know how many times I have seen cop cars drive by the double parking mess that happens on Flatbush Ave between Carlton and Sterling without doing a damn thing. There should be one officer at all times during the day there. We need a proactive force not a reactive force. I do not buy that the crime rate has gone down because of proactive policing.
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Subject: po po
i saw some cops with the undercover police SUV... drive up on the sidewalk on washington ave, remove a poster for some hip hop show, rip it up... drop it on the ground.... and drive away. i mean, WTF?! -
WTF indeed! My husband did see someone get nailed very discreetly by an undercover officer on the shuttle platform a couple of weeks ago...maybe there are more wandering around than we think. But I don't know if what we need is LESS visibility, seriously. Or the kind of "policing" noted above. Geez.
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The behavior of the cops "policing" the parade this weekend only reinforces what I said above (a few months ago). There are obviously exceptions, but the guys on the corner of Underhill and St. Johns, randomly stopping pedestrians from getting to the parade via Underhill were out of control! It seemed like they were letting some people through and randomly stopping others. They also seemed to be getting a little too much joy out of turning people away- like they couldn't wait to get home and masturbate about the whole thing.
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Carnivore » Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
You can't live in New Jersey and be a police officer in New York City. About a month ago, I got statistics of where NYC police officers live within the 5 boroughs, Suffolk, Nassau, Rockland, and Orange counties. There were no police officers listed as residing in New Jersey from the stats that I got from the NYPD.Signatures are for retards. -
alan » [quote="Carnivore"]Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
You can't live in New Jersey and be a police officer in New York City. About a month ago, I got statistics of where NYC police officers live within the 5 boroughs, Suffolk, Nassau, Rockland, and Orange counties. There were no police officers listed as residing in New Jersey from the stats that I got from the NYPD.[/quote] The stats: Office of Management Analysis and Planning 1 Police Plaza New York, NY 10038 July 27, 2005 Dear Alan: On behalf of Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, I am responding to your recent e-mail request for information. As of June 30, 2005, the residency of our uniform members is as follows: Bronx 3,247 Brooklyn 4,291 Manhattan 1,486 Queens 5,425 Staten Island 4,051 Nassau County 5,398 Suffolk County 5,463 Orange County 2,068 Putnam County 534 Rockland County 1,406 Westchester 1,574 I hope the information I have provided is useful. If you wish additional information about our department, please visit our website at http://www.nyc.gov/nypd. Thank you for your interest in the New York City Police Department. Sincerely, Kevin J. Walsh Captain Resource Analysis SectionSignatures are for retards. -
To echo everyone else's sentiments, I am sorry about what happened to you Dave and hope all wounds heal quickly...
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alan » You can't live in New Jersey and be a police officer in New York City. About a month ago, I got statistics of where NYC police officers live within the 5 boroughs, Suffolk, Nassau, Rockland, and Orange counties. There were no police officers listed as residing in New Jersey from the stats that I got from the NYPD. The stats:
Cops just have to maintain an "official residence" in the city, which in reality just means that they have to have a family member that lives here. Everyone knows damn well that plenty of NYPD cops live in Jersey. They even made a movie about it ("Copland"). Additionally, even using the stats you listed (which don't take fake residences into account), almost half of NY cops don't even live in the city (18,500 in the city, 16,443 Westchester and Long Island)! That's even counting the Staten Island ones as being in the city. That's ridiculous. If cops were required to live in the same zip code they worked in, they would have a much better understanding of the area they were policing. There'd also be much less resentment on both sides of the blue line.
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