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whynot_31
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CB 8 is presently considering three new liquor license applications for Prospect Heights.

Although Google maps can't always be trusted, I've included photos of the addresses:

1. 793 Washington Avenue/full license (St. John’s/Lincoln). This is presently a storefront that has been vacant a LOOOONG time. It is located on Washington between Love Liquors and Colala. It wants to be a bar, perhaps with a little garden area in the back yard. The application was filed by "Tooker Alley"

2. 607 Vanderbilt Avenue/full license (tavern) (Bergen/St. Marks). This is a small space, located on Vanderbilt near Nick's Barbershop. The application was filed by Leonard Zella.

3. 960 Atlantic Avenue/full license (Grand/Classon). This is a huge site that is presently a warehouse. The application was filed by Milk River Café, and could become a very large indoor venue.

The meeting to discuss the applications takes place tonight (Tuesday April 10th):

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE
Chairperson: Priscilla Maddox, Co-Chair; Atim Oton
Meeting Day: 2nd Tuesday of the Month
Time: 6:30 p.m.
Place: Center for Nursing and Rehabilitation
727 Classon Avenue( bet.Park Place and Prospect Place)

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
inpixels
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with a name like "Tooker Alley" I suppose they will keep the vinyl faux brick facade?

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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With a name like Tooker Alley, they are likely fans of the city of Chicago.

...as a result, I suspect they know that faux brick and $60 windows will not withstand the wind coming off the lake.

I once looked in the windows and determined that the building lacks a back wall and roof. A gut rehab is underway.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
landlord
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There goes the neighborhood

# Posted 1 yr ago
inpixels
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landlord said:
There goes the neighborhood

“please respect our neighbors.”
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/02/5173233/golden-era-noble-ineffectual-respect-our-neighbors-sign?page=all

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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By requesting permits, these folks seem to be pursing the conventional method.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
Jack Krohn
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Wonderful news! I am always happy to patronize a new bar. I think the only one I haven't tried is the one called Three Eves (?), which replaced Prospect Pond. Anyone been?

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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I have not been in Eves yet, but it seems to be doing ok when I walk by.

There are still a lot of storefronts vacant on Washington, but they are dwindling at a steady clip.

The place next to Tooker Alley is presently being renovated into something food related as per the work permit.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
GOD
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Wonderful. More loud drunk white people walking the hood. Ugh!

Why attack God? He may be as miserable as we are.

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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God, you are making assumptions about what crowd they will serve.

For example, a mostly sober, quiet, African American crowd seems to patronize Eve's. This is sharp contract to when it was Prospect Pond and -before that- Ripple.

Maybe this mellow crowd will patronize nearby Tooker Alley as well.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
xlizellx
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Before that it was Manhattans, not Ripple.

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Sorry, I forgot about the brief moment it was Manhattans.

I think it was Manhattan's after it was Ripple.

See, it was once Ripple:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/ripple-bar-brooklyn

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
xlizellx
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You are correct. Ripple - Manhattans - Prsospect Pond - 3 Eves

Speaking of, anyone know where Sam (the manager of both Manhattans towards the end and of Prospect Pond) is? He was a great guy who really wanted both places to succeed - they just didn't..

# Posted 1 yr ago
Jack Krohn
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Yea, drunken white people we can do without. Drunken African American, West Indian, African, Asian, Latino, Native American, and Pacific Islander folks are OK, though. Hopefully those and other groups who cannot be classified as "white" will patronize these new establishments.

# Posted 1 yr ago
NothinLikeABklynGirl
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whynot,
Any news on Kingston Lounge in Crown Heights? I heard it came up at the same meeting, and that the new owners from Astoria want to return it to what it once was.

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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I have heard this as well, but have nothing to add re: whether they are going to actually do it.

The space needs lots of work and $. Unless it becomes a profitable venue from the moment it was to reopen, it might take a really long time for them to recoup any money and effort they put into it.

This site has photos of the condition of the interior:

http://kingstonlounge.blogspot.com/2008/04/kingston-lounge-wine-dine-restaurant.html?m=1

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
ntfool
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xlizellx said:
You are correct. Ripple - Manhattans - Prsospect Pond - 3 Eves

Speaking of, anyone know where Sam (the manager of both Manhattans towards the end and of Prospect Pond) is? He was a great guy who really wanted both places to succeed - they just didn't..

Ah, but before all that, it was Buttafly. That location has been a bar since at least 2000. Five different venues in 12 years seems a bit much for one location.

Buttafly - Ripple - Manhattans - Prospect Pond - 3 Eves

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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This site says Buttafly was phat: http://nightlife.uptake.com/bars/new_york/brooklyn/buttafly_lounge_42551401.html

I haven't heard "phat" used in a non-derogatory way since at least 2002.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
ntfool
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Ha! Which is probably the last time I was in Buttafly!

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# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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Tooker Alley and the storefront next to it are both presently under construction. Both have work permits saying they will be food establishments.

...however, one place says Laundrymatt Coming Soon.

Do work permits define laundrymatts as being similar to food establishments?

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 yr ago
whynot_31
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The Tooker Alley place on Washington had its door open today; It looks almost complete. It could open within 2 weeks.

The laundry mat coming soon place next door to it has had another floor added to its building. The faux brick will be ripped down soon, and we will get a storefront out of the deal. ...maybe they plan to still open a laundry.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 10 mos ago
whynot_31
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I talked with the owner of Tooker Alley this evening. I learned the following:

It will be Cocktail bar, not a beer bar.

He hopes to open in a few weeks.

....all is well with the city permit wise, he just has a few things the contractor needs to complete.

He seems like a nice guy.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
notsayin
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A great feature from Edible Manhattan on Tooker Alley's owner, Del Pedro - who's a respected mixologist and career bartender currently at Pegu Club on Houston: http://www.ediblemanhattan.com/magazine/through_the_drinking_glad/ Sounds like a cool guy who knows how to run a classy establishment.

Also, revisiting the name Tooker Alley - from the Chicago Tribune:

The Dill Pickle Club (or Dil Pickle Club, as purists insist) was a bohemian-anarchist-literati hangout and speakeasy at 10 Tooker Alley (now Tooker Place). The alley was entered from Dearborn Street, just north of Chestnut Street, and among those who took the stroll down the red brick pavement were Eugene Debs, Carl Sandburg, Sherwood Anderson, Emma Goldman, Ben Hecht and Mayor "Big Bill" Thompson.

# Posted 9 mos ago
mishaps
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Grange Hall and Pegu Club? Quite the resume. I can't wait.

# Posted 9 mos ago
whynot_31
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It is nicely decorated on the inside, and he is clearly paying attention to details.

He is aiming for an upscale clientele.

I hope the drinks are not as expensive, nor the wait as long, as at Weather Up.

(Weather Up is a fancy cocktail bar on Vanderbilt.)

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
inpixels
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"The Dil Pickle Club was almost hidden from the outside and was considered a "hole in the wall" in Tooker Alley. The entrance was marked by a "DANGER" sign that which pointed to the orange main door which was lite by a green light. On the door, it read: “Step High, Stoop Low and Leave Your Dignity Outside.” Once inside, another sign read "Elevate Your Mind to a Lower Level of Thinking" before you entered the main part of the club. Immediately inside was a large main room with a stage. The room was decorated with brightly painted chairs and partially surrounded by counters where drinks and sandwiches were sold. ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dil_Pickle_Club

More: http://publications.newberry.org/frontiertoheartland/exhibits/show/perspectives/dillpickle/briefhistory

# Posted 9 mos ago
whynot_31
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I am beginning to like this place.

P.S. Tooker Alley is the place to left of faux brick facade.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
whynot_31
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For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
el syd
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Is tooker alley open?

# Posted 9 mos ago
el syd
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Hmmm, I just read that the owner is a bartender from Pegu Club, which makes a great cocktail. That's exciting.

# Posted 9 mos ago
whynot_31
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Is tooker alley open?

It is not open yet.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 9 mos ago
Hatemail
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Peeked in the window last night. Looks cute.

# Posted 9 mos ago
bohuma
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GOD said:
Wonderful. More loud drunk white people walking the hood. Ugh!

Racism is not exclusively something that whites do to non-whites. There is plenty of racism going every which way. In my experience neighborhoods are much nicer places to live when they are fully integrated - where everyone is comfortable irrespective of Race, Color, Creed, Age, National Origin, Alienage, Citizenship Status, Gender, Gender Identity Sexual Orientation, Disability, Marital Status, Partnership Status. This neighborhood was once exclusively Native American, then became Anglo/Dutch American, then Caribbean/African American, now it is shifting to more multicultural. Times change as do neighborhoods.

# Posted 8 mos ago
mishaps
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Walked by Tooker Alley yesterday and noticed that the name was now up on the door.

The bar also made the New York Times fall dining preview, complete with a photograph of Del Pedro. But the opening date has now slipped to "early October" - I hope that's not an ominous sign.

TOOKER ALLEY With this bar, Del Pedro, formerly of Pegu Club, pays homage to the Dil Pickle Club, a largely forgotten bohemian haunt of the early 20th century on Tooker Alley in Chicago. Though the original Pickle lacked liquor, Tooker Alley will not. Mr. Pedro calls it a “brown liquor house,” offering an array of whiskey-shot-and-beer combinations, and “extended garnishes” — side dishes that complement the drinks. Select evenings will be devoted to “the regional, musical, literary or artistic roots of a specific cocktail.” (Early October): 793 Washington Avenue (Lincoln Place), Prospect Heights, (347) 955-4743.

# Posted 8 mos ago
notsayin
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Tooker Alley through the window on Monday evening. Looks like the interior is 100%, perhaps the "early October" incorporates a wait for liquor license?

Can't wait, the place looks fantastic.

# Posted 7 mos ago
whynot_31
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You will not have to wait much longer.

Tooker Alley's
Grand Opening will
occur on this
Thursday,
October 18th.

P.S. The place to be located at 960 Atlantic is also moving along. Word has it they are constructing a jazz club with 175 seats....

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 7 mos ago
el syd
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cool. however, i will go friday.

# Posted 7 mos ago
Architecture Biscuit
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Went last night. No food yet, but the drinks are quite good. Service was a bit on the slow side, but they acknowledged that, so I suspect they will add staff to speed things up. It's a good addition to the neighborhood (unless you hate bars) and seems like it will be a mellow establishment.

# Posted 7 mos ago
whynot_31
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Press on Tooker Alley:

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/bars/tooker-alley-the-feed-first-look

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 7 mos ago
whynot_31
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ntfool said:
Ah, but before all that, it was Buttafly. That location has been a bar since at least 2000. Five different venues in 12 years seems a bit much for one location.

Buttafly - Ripple - Manhattans - Prospect Pond - 3 Eves

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 6 mos ago
whynot_31
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whynot_31 said:
Press on Tooker Alley:

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/bars/tooker-alley-the-feed-first-look

More press on Tooker Alley:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/fashion/new-on-the-brooklyn-bar-scene-tooker-alley.html?_r=0

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 5 mos ago
whynot_31
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even more press on Tooker Alley: http://www.timeout.com/newyork/bars/tooker-alley

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 4 mos ago
whynot_31
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April 1, 2013:
Tooker Alley is in the process of talking to the Community Board in an attempt to use its back yard as a seating area.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 mo ago
Ridonkulous
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Is there a place to search for all these liquor license applications online? Or do you go to the meetings in person for this info?

# Posted 1 mo ago
whynot_31
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People that want a lic have to appear before the Community Board prior to the liquor authority processing the application. The CB then advises the liquor authority.

Note: This is different than needing the permission of the Community Board.

I get the emails which state which applications will be reviewed soon by the CB, but I rarely -if ever- go to the actual mtgs.

There is a mtg tonight, so they sent out a bunch of announcements about what they are going to talk about to try to get people to attend.

You can get said emails by emailing brooklyncb8@gmail.com, and asking to be put on the SLA email list.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 mo ago
Ridonkulous
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Interesting, thanks!

# Posted 1 mo ago
notsayin
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Anyone make it to last night's CB8 liquor permit / outside café's meeting?

# Posted 1 mo ago
whynot_31
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I didn't, but I have learned that the full CB8 board recommended that Tooker Alley be able to use their backyard in tonight's, April 11, 2013, mtg.

I predict this venue will soon be as packed a Weather Up on Vanderbilt.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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