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Brooklynian » Topic: Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices en-US Sun, 19 May 2013 12:15:54 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://brooklynian.com/forum/search.php Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727793 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:52:58 +0000 fafner 727793@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ I also have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and experience with having installed one, so my lack of knowledge isn't an issue. I am sure the plumbers are capitalizing on the waves of people needing these now and increased the price, my price was from 3 years ago as I mentioned. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727789 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:43:46 +0000 modsquad2.0 727789@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Feigning knowledge (a few hundred bucks} of the requirements for the Backflow Valve because you own "properties" is hardly the same as me making a blanket statement regarding who is required to install one. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727771 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:06:50 +0000 fafner 727771@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ I will let you know when I get a notice to comply on any of my properties. I wouldn't hold your breath though. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727766 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:56:15 +0000 modsquad2.0 727766@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/pdf/water_sewer/42_doh_supplement.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/pdf/water_sewer/42_doh_supplement.pdf</a> This is a revision that has basically the same list but uses the phrases "Owners of properties" and "property" and "facility" instead of "businesses". If all else is exempt except for the fact you're an amateur tanner (as opposed to a "business") you would need to install the BFD. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727757 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:49:32 +0000 fafner 727757@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Ok, clearly you have a preset notion in your head that you are right. Not all houses are have boilers treated with chemicals, not all houses have 350k btu boilers. Just correcting your statement that EVERY house in the entire 5 boroughs needs to have a BFPD installed. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727750 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:37:23 +0000 modsquad2.0 727750@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Read what you just quoted from the DEP: I'll highlight and add notes. <blockquote><cite>fafner <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727739">said</a>:</cite> Not gonna get in a pissing match but maybe you should read what you cite. Backflow preventers are not required for every building in nyc. What types of properties are required to install a backflow prevention device? Unless they receive a specific exemption from DEP, the following types of businesses are required to use backflow preventers: Metal plating, cleaning, processing or fabricating facilities Photo-processing facilities Laundries and dry cleaners Commercial car washes Greenhouses Hospitals, Clinics and Laboratories (including veterinary hospitals) Medical and Dental Offices Funeral Parlors Food processing plants and meat / fish packers Dye Plants Paper processors Auto Repair Shops Breweries Tanneries Exterminators Large residential dwellings with water boilers that use rust-inhibitors or other water treatment chemicals Any boiler that uses water to generate heat would fall under the jurisdiction., (“treated water boilers”) Sewage treatment plants or handling facilities Premises with multiple water service lines this would include a domestic water line and a sprinkler tap.; Premises with roof tanksSprinklers and/or domestic for pressure. and elevated storage lines Canneries Slaughterhouse / Live Poultry Processing Facilities Ice Manufacturing Facilities Printing Facilities Supermarkets Premises with large boilers A large boiler is considered over 350,000 BTUs, easy for almost any brownstone to have. or chemically treated boilersEven if the boiler is below 350K most likely it is treated with something which would require the BF installed. Warehouses (with toxic chemical storage) Premises with Commercial or Public Kitchens Premises with water cooled equipment or chillers Premises with Groundwater Wells Premises that Reuse or Recycle Water Shipyards and Marinas Schools and Colleges Food Preparation Facilities Nursing Homes Barber Shops & Beauty Salons Properties with in-ground irrigation sprinklers </blockquote> Like the OP said he has a notice from the DEP. Based on the definitions they have determined that the building requires BFs. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727739 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:04:59 +0000 fafner 727739@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>modsquad2.0 <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727707">said</a>:</cite> Sorry, wrong. All water taps to the City water supply need to be equipped with the DVBP device. </blockquote> Not gonna get in a pissing match but maybe you should read what you cite. Backflow preventers are not required for every building in nyc. What types of properties are required to install a backflow prevention device? Unless they receive a specific exemption from DEP, the following types of businesses are required to use backflow preventers: Metal plating, cleaning, processing or fabricating facilities Photo-processing facilities Laundries and dry cleaners Commercial car washes Greenhouses Hospitals, Clinics and Laboratories (including veterinary hospitals) Medical and Dental Offices Funeral Parlors Food processing plants and meat / fish packers Dye Plants Paper processors Auto Repair Shops Breweries Tanneries Exterminators Large residential dwellings with water boilers that use rust-inhibitors or other water treatment chemicals, (“treated water boilers”) Sewage treatment plants or handling facilities Premises with multiple water service lines; Premises with roof tanks and elevated storage lines Canneries Slaughterhouse / Live Poultry Processing Facilities Ice Manufacturing Facilities Printing Facilities Supermarkets Premises with large boilers or chemically treated boilers Warehouses (with toxic chemical storage) Premises with Commercial or Public Kitchens Premises with water cooled equipment or chillers Premises with Groundwater Wells Premises that Reuse or Recycle Water Shipyards and Marinas Schools and Colleges Food Preparation Facilities Nursing Homes Barber Shops & Beauty Salons Properties with in-ground irrigation sprinklers Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727708 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:50:42 +0000 modsquad2.0 727708@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Addendum: If building owners have not received a letter then do nothing. It could take years for the DEP to get to everyone. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727707 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:43:04 +0000 modsquad2.0 727707@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>fafner <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727702">said</a>:</cite> modsquad who mentioned anything about pricing water service or sprinker feeds? He was asking about backflow preventers, it is a simple cut of the service main and installation of a valve which is a few hundred bucks. </blockquote> Sorry, wrong. All water taps to the City water supply need to be equipped with the DVBP device. OP mentions he is under the gun of DEP. He's received a letter indicating a hazard level. OP can put off an immediate fine assessment by having an engineer certify that installation is in progress. They will not fine for lack thereof. See the following for a synopsis. <a href="http://www.habitatmag.com/Publication-Content/2010-October/Web-Exclusives/Backflow-Preventer-Crackdown" rel="nofollow">http://www.habitatmag.com/Publication-Content/2010-October/Web-Exclusives/Backflow-Preventer-Crackdown</a> <blockquote>How much does it cost? According to the city, estimating based on average industry prices for parts and labor, it can run $5,000 to $13,000 for small to mid-size buildings, and between $14,000 and $34,000 for large high-rises. Failure to comply can lead to fines of up to $2,000. If you ignore the fines, the City can shut off the water supply to your building.</blockquote> Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727702 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:06:24 +0000 fafner 727702@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ modsquad who mentioned anything about pricing water service or sprinker feeds? He was asking about backflow preventers, it is a simple cut of the service main and installation of a valve which is a few hundred bucks. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727682 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:14:01 +0000 modsquad2.0 727682@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ You people are all high. Domestic water will run up to 5K. a sprinkler feed will add another 10K at least. Double check valve backflow preventors are not off the shelf vacuum breakers or home depot check valves. You need one for every water connection coming into the building, not for individual tenants, domestic and sprinkler. Sprinkler is what will kill you. I've used Backflow Preventiom of NY for 2 jobs. The guy is so honest he talked himself out of a third job. <a href="http://rpzny.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rpzny.com/</a> Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727678 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:32:02 +0000 pulpandbean 727678@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ listen dude this is no big deal. my guy is piped out my coffee shop all code and not a drip extra. donald 9178737210 Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727673 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:44 +0000 photogirl 727673@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ My plumber, who is licensed and absolutely terrific, is a licensed backflow tester. He is great to work with and reasonably priced. I recommend him highly. His name is Anthony D'Ella of Four Aces Plumbing and Heating. His number is 718-366-2973. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727654 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:12:30 +0000 Superclam 727654@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you just need a licensed plumber for this. He can fill out a plumbing repair slip to file w/ the DOB. If for some reason you need plans filed, the plumber will let you know & you'll need a mechanical engineer. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727647 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:25:47 +0000 fafner 727647@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ These are required now to prevent contaminated water in your building from flowing back into the water mains and possibly contaminating others in the surrounding buildings. It isn't a particularly hard device to install and any real plumber can do it. It is put after the water meter and main shutoff valve on and is a small in-line one way valve. In the past we had Vigilante install one for us and it was approximately 500 bucks from what I recall (this was 3 years ago) Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727644 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:03:20 +0000 whynot_31 727644@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ You may get some good info from the Brooklynians, but I would also post to Brownstoner's forum. <a href="http://www.brownstoner.com/forum/" rel="nofollow">http://www.brownstoner.com/forum/</a> I have rec'd great advice from them. Backflow Prevention Devices? http://brooklynian.com/forum/park-slope/backflow-prevention-devices#post-727643 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:57:40 +0000 kosherdave 727643@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Does anyone know of a Master Plumbers, Professional Engineer or Registered Architects who is familiar with Backflow Prevention Devices? My coop needs to have one install a backflow device for the shops we have below us. We need to get someone ASAP as the DEP has stated this work must start soon. They would need to know what a Backflow Prevention Device is and would therefore be familiar with dealing with these types of devices in either a commercial or residential setting, it cannot be someone who is just a regular plumber or engineer or an "architect friend". This person will need to verify if more than one device will be required since we have two commercial properties that fall into the business types on this list. Let me know if you’ve dealt with this before and how you handled it, and if you have any suggestions or know of any of the above mentioned professionals. Thanks!