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Brooklynian » Topic: EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2 en-US Sun, 26 May 2013 03:36:24 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://brooklynian.com/forum/search.php EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-766969 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:19:59 +0000 prodigalson 766969@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>BobMarvin <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763174">said</a>:</cite> Err, in my world Ebbets Field was demolished in 1960; I'm a fan of alternate reality fiction, but really.... </blockquote> LOL! When I read the OP that's what I was thinking - then I read the follow up and got squared away on the thought behind it. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-766823 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:39:06 +0000 thecameralady 766823@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ At least the blurb didn't refer to it as a public housing project. All seven buildings in the complex are more than 20 stories tall, despite what the author wrote. Overall though, this blurb is innocuous. <img src="http://brooklynian.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" /> EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-766741 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:37:03 +0000 whynot_31 766741@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Ebbets Field (the stadium) would have been 100 years old this month. Here is a short article about the stadium and the housing... <a href="http://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/what-took-the-place-of-ebbets-field-after-1957/" rel="nofollow">http://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/what-took-the-place-of-ebbets-field-after-1957/</a> EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-764173 Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:17:39 +0000 whynot_31 764173@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ I have no idea. However, I do find it interesting that people dislike Ebbets Field, and have begun to conclude that their feelings stem from failing to differentiate it from NYCHA complexes. Those who are familiar with NYCHA, know that many (but not ALL) of the complexes' residents are some of the poorest members of our society: Those with disabilities, the aged, victims of domestic violence, formerly homeless people, etc. ...Folks who have been denied educational opportunities and/or subsisted in poverty and violent environments for literally generations. For many, SSI/SSD, public assistance, and SNAP are lifelines. In contrast, the residents of Ebbets field are comparatively stable: Most are able to secure work to the degree that they are able to pay the rent on their rent stabilized units. While the complex wrestles with crime and the break down of community, the problems are not as severe as many NYCHA complexes. For example, it seems a greater number of "cautious mothers" allow their children play in the play ground adjacent to Ebbets Field, while the playground adjacent to Albany Houses (located off Kingston in N Crown Heights) is mostly deserted. The police seem to take a similar view. This article points out that while the racial demographics of N Crown Heights and S Crown Heights are similar, the number of stop and frisks is dramatically lower in S Crown Heights. <a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130205/crown-heights/one-brooklyn-neighborhood-two-very-different-faces-of-stop-and-frisk" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130205/crown-heights/one-brooklyn-neighborhood-two-very-different-faces-of-stop-and-frisk</a> While I am not a big fan of stop and frisk, it is as if the police and their commanders can tell the difference between the various types of "black people" as related to crime and social problems, when other people (such as the author of the article) either can not, or don't bother to dig deeper. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763659 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:41:02 +0000 thecameralady 763659@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>whynot_31 <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763657">said</a>:</cite> As I read this thread, it seems only chloeroyal believes something is wrong with Ebbets Apts to the degree that the residents should be displaced. </blockquote> I wonder what specifically is so wrong with the complex that would merit it being demolished. I think that demolishing the complex would be impractical due to the sheer size of the complex (over 1300 units). The proposed replacements seem to be just as impractical. Besides, where are all the current residents supposed to go? EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763657 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:52:24 +0000 whynot_31 763657@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ As I read this thread, it seems only chloeroyal believes something is wrong with Ebbets Apts to the degree that the residents should be displaced. The other posters seem to want to help the residents of the complex. Several point out that the idea of MEC taking it over is not feasible, and/or not beneficial. theCameralady- I am suggesting that it is unfortunate that the mgt of Ebbets Field does not have the same powers as NYCHA, not that the Ebbets Field folks are as needy. I agree that because of things like DHCR regulations and rent stabilization rules, the mgt (sadly) has, in many ways, their hands tied. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763656 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:47:25 +0000 dmiami 763656@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote>Otherwise, it will continue to be another high rise that is seen as being dangerous and a threat to the changing community. </blockquote> I'm a little perplexed by this whole thread... do people generally think something is wronge with Ebbets Apts?? (obviously excluding the outrage of every single Brooklyn baseball fan). EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763652 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:48:25 +0000 thecameralady 763652@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>TeReKeTe <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763648">said</a>:</cite> <blockquote>As we seem to agree, whether you are in a wealthy community or a poor one, it only takes a few troubled people to destroy the environment. Abba Realty and the Ebbets Fields Tenants Association need assertive and effective means of dealing with this subset.</blockquote> or just a bike corral. </blockquote> Ha. Where per chance does one suggest placing a bike corral? <img src="http://brooklynian.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" /> EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763650 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:38:52 +0000 whynot_31 763650@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ trekete- touche EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763649 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:56:03 +0000 thecameralady 763649@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>homeowner <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763642">said</a>:</cite> Ebbets Field doesn't need to be a dorm. What it does need is to be a better version of what it is, affordable housing. This means a management company that provides clean, well-kept housing, properly maintained housing with a responsive maintenance and management team. Tenants that are responsible for maintaining the quality of their homes by discouraging things like litering, vandalism, and illegal activity. A true sense of community and a safe haven for those that reside there. That will only come with a change in attitude and effort by all parties. Otherwise, it will continue to be another high rise that is seen as being dangerous and a threat to the changing community. </blockquote> It's not that the tenants don't care. I've been attending tenants association meetings, and similar complaints come up at the meetings. Some people will post signs advising neighbors to not leave trash in the hallway or to leave the elevators clean. (The last sign was put up in the elevator in my building within the past two days.) Apparently there isn't a critical mass of people who can come together to effect long-reaching change. <blockquote> Low income high rises such as Ebbets Field are perceived as a threat, and/or as an ill-conceived model throughout the country.</blockquote> It's a low to moderate income high rise subject to rent-stabilization under DHCR. <blockquote>Without such means, it may become as bad (or worse) than the lowest tier NYCHA projects.</blockquote> How? EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763648 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:51:24 +0000 TeReKeTe 763648@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote>As we seem to agree, whether you are in a wealthy community or a poor one, it only takes a few troubled people to destroy the environment. Abba Realty and the Ebbets Fields Tenants Association need assertive and effective means of dealing with this subset.</blockquote> or just a bike corral. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763644 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:48:10 +0000 whynot_31 763644@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Low income high rises such as Ebbets Field are perceived as a threat, and/or as an ill-conceived model throughout the country. By being able to evict people who are convicted of certain crimes, NYCHA has an ability that many management companies lack. NYCHA also does a much better job at keepings its high rise complexes safe than comparable housing authorities throughout the country. So, while Abba Realty may be managing a complex that houses tenants who are less problematic/needy than the "average NYCHA tenant", they are less able to evict those who make the lives of their neighbors miserable. As we seem to agree, whether you are in a wealthy community or a poor one, it only takes a few troubled people to destroy the environment. Abba Realty and the Ebbets Fields Tenants Association need assertive and effective means of dealing with this subset. Without such means, it may become as bad (or worse) than the lowest tier NYCHA projects. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763642 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:35:31 +0000 homeowner 763642@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Medgar Evers doesn't have the same student profile as your traditional college. The vast majority of its students are older people (above 24, which is the top end at most 4 yr colleges)working towards a degree while working full-time. These people often have families, and they are not looking to live in dormitories, but rather need affordable long-term housing of the type that is quickly disappearing in the city. Last time I looked at their profile, they were actually awarding more Associates degrees than 4 year degrees, and a had a high percentage of students that transfered to other CUNY schools after 1 or 2 years. Ebbets Field doesn't need to be a dorm. What it does need is to be a better version of what it is, affordable housing. This means a management company that provides clean, well-kept housing, properly maintained housing with a responsive maintenance and management team. Tenants that are responsible for maintaining the quality of their homes by discouraging things like litering, vandalism, and illegal activity. A true sense of community and a safe haven for those that reside there. That will only come with a change in attitude and effort by all parties. Otherwise, it will continue to be another high rise that is seen as being dangerous and a threat to the changing community. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763636 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:46:19 +0000 thecameralady 763636@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote>Convert to dorms / more classrooms a music center etc </blockquote> Why? Is there really that much of a demand for more classroom space? Medgar Evers already took over the spot of the former bowling alley and santiation truck parking lot. On the other hand, there is a vacant condo building across from the complex on Sullivan Place that has been standing 3/4 finished for years. The only tenants there are two guard dogs and a bunch of rats-rats which are much more of an eyesore than Ebbets Field. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763633 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:30:14 +0000 chloeroyale 763633@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Convert to dorms / more classrooms a music center etc EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763608 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:34:41 +0000 whynot_31 763608@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Thanks thecameralady! EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763605 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:26:32 +0000 thecameralady 763605@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote>This article makes it sound as if it was built as rental units by a developer funded by the Mitchell Lama program (which allowed low and middle income folks to buy co-ops with low down payments or simply rent units) Then, the complex was sold once it was no longer beholden to Mitchell-Lama rules. <a href="http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/06/past-and-present-ebbets-field/" rel="nofollow">http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/06/past-and-present-ebbets-field/</a></blockquote>Fieldbridge Associates bought and managed the property in the late 1980s. This complex only contains rentals. There was an attempt to turn the complex into co-ops, but that ultimately failed. <blockquote>It sounds like the buildings were built to be all rental units. So now, I would imagine it is currently a few units that are market rate, but most are rent stabilized. [b]It isn't run by NYCHA.</blockquote> Thank you for pointing this out! This is a common misperception that I would hear about all the time, even in the media. These are not projects! Abba Realty is the rental agent for the proeprty. The complex is subject to DHCR rules while Trivoli Towers, mentioned upthread, is under HPD. Re: Those people who suggest that Medgar Evers buy the complex and use it for dorms - Do you even realize how large this complex is? There are seven high-rise buildings here, all interconnected. Does the college even have the clientele to fill up the building? Besides, Medgar Evers is (mainly) a commuter school anyway. The tenants here are aware that there are several issues that need to be addressed, but selling it to convert it to dorm rooms isn't the answer. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763492 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:43:25 +0000 Park Place 763492@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Sad talk. Ebbets Field is a shrine to a time when anything was possible. In reality, it is a shrine to any ballpark that was the place you used to go that has simply vanished Sad talk. EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763214 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:13:15 +0000 chloeroyale 763214@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ I know someone that rents there for about 1800.00 for three bedroom which is a good price but she says it small EBBETS FIELD http://brooklynian.com/forum/crown-heights-and-prospect-lefferts-gardens/ebbets-field-2#post-763213 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:11:53 +0000 whynot_31 763213@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Readers: Trivoli Towers is the tall bldg located at Crown and Franklin. Ebbets Field is is the massive building at Bedford and Mongomery map: <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=tivoli+towers+brooklyn&ie=UTF-8&ei=t3L0ULSWNeSP0QHi9oGAAg&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA" rel="nofollow">https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=tivoli+towers+brooklyn&ie=UTF-8&ei=t3L0ULSWNeSP0QHi9oGAAg&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA</a> dmiami- Yea, I remember reading about Trivoli Towers in one of the real estate blogs. Here's press stating how they were able to keep it affordable, and info about the developer: <a href="http://www.stellarmanagement.com/TivoliTowers11022010.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stellarmanagement.com/TivoliTowers11022010.htm</a>