http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday en-US Sat, 18 May 2013 05:24:52 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://brooklynian.com/forum/search.php http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-766215 Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:17:12 +0000 caseopele 766215@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>I hate peta but the way the circuses treat the elephants is disgusting. See for yourself.</p> <p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/elephant-abuse-at-ringling-brothers-circus" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/article/elephant-abuse-at-ringling-brothers-circus</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-newkirk/how-does-ringling-bros-ma_b_509960.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-newkirk/how-does-ringling-bros-ma_b_509960.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.sacredelephants.com/2010/08/help-stop-elephant-abuse-boycott-ringling-brothers-barnum-bailey-circus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacredelephants.com/2010/08/help-stop-elephant-abuse-boycott-ringling-brothers-barnum-bailey-circus.html</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-766111 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:14:39 +0000 Mamacita 766111@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p> They adjusted to new sights, sounds and activity. And after a few minutes, ruminantly munching hay, they became settled new Brooklyn residents. </p></blockquote> <p><img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3zy4sILwc1qbjshz.jpg"> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-766108 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:51:50 +0000 notsayin 766108@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>So after all that speculation, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/nyregion/for-ringling-brothers-a-homecoming-at-barclays-center.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=1&amp;">NY Times ran a piece last Thursday</a> that pretty much answers all the questions:</p> <p>- Elephants were TRUCKED in from the train - from New Jersey</p> <p>- I was right (to some extent) that Ringling Bros got Ratner/Barclays to modify a bunch of arena physical elements in 2010 to facilitate the circus logistics (sadly, not an elephant door from the LIRR platform though &lt;img src=&quot;http://brooklynian.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> <p>Best part of the article btw: </p> <p><blockquote>Emerging from the elevators the elephants crossed a huge turntable — akin to a locomotive roundhouse — on the way to their new stalls. “They were very cautious,” said Brian French, a seventh-generation circus man who is the show’s elephant manager.</p> <p>Mr. French said that some of the eight — all females (circus folk call them “girls”) — are in their late 50s and have been in more than 100 arenas, some of which no longer exist.</p> <p>“Their memories are so phenomenal that they remember the layouts of every one of them,” he said. “But Barclays is all new, and they were nervous.”</p> <p>So they sniffed everything with their trunks. They stepped cautiously. They adjusted to new sights, sounds and activity. And after a few minutes, ruminantly munching hay, they became settled new Brooklyn residents.</blockquote> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765955 Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:22:46 +0000 whynot_31 765955@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Press on how it went:</p> <p><a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130320/dumbo/dancing-circus-elephants-draw-cheers-protest-under-brooklyn-bridge" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130320/dumbo/dancing-circus-elephants-draw-cheers-protest-under-brooklyn-bridge</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765903 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:46:27 +0000 whynot_31 765903@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>I predict protesters will not be allowed in the immediate area, so the event can go undisturbed.</p> <p>I predict protesters will be too dim to dress "normal", thus allowing the NYPD to effectively And easily screen them out. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765896 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:07:08 +0000 notsayin 765896@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>The LIRR Today blog recaps how the circus train actually moved (passenger cars to NJ via Penn Station, and freight cars to LIC - where apparently the animals were transferred to trucks and taken to Barclays): <a href="http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/circus-train-recap.html" rel="nofollow">http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/circus-train-recap.html</a></p> <p>That leaves the "Elephant Dance Party" in Dumbo at 11 am Wednesday - which seems a bit dubious given all the animal rights protest buzz (see above in this thread). The "elephant walk" was always a middle-of-the-night, practical reality of getting the big animals from LIC to MSG - a fun but utility move (made necessary because the Midtown Tunnel's max height excludes 13' 6" semi trailers??). Dragging the elephants to Dumbo for an "under the iconically-Brooklyn" Bridge is a great photo op for Marty Markowitz but seems unnecessary - and ripe for a big protest... </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765893 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:38:45 +0000 whynot_31 765893@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Only uses humans:</p> <p><a href="http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/welcome.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/welcome.aspx</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765892 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:26:21 +0000 the collection next door 765892@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://gothamist.com/2009/07/22/peta_has_video_of_ringling_bros_bea.php" rel="nofollow">http://gothamist.com/2009/07/22/peta_has_video_of_ringling_bros_bea.php</a></p> <p>"This summer expects to finally see a verdict in a lawsuit filed against Ringling, which centers around the circus's use of steel-barbed bullhooks, electric prods, and shackles on the elephants. PETA's new footage also shows abuse to the circus's tigers. They say workers struck animals on the head, face, ears, legs, and other parts of their bodies with bullhooks and other abusive handling tools. "The unit's animal superintendant and head elephant trainer were among those who used bullhooks—sharp, fireplace pokerlike devices—to hook and yank elephants by their sensitive skin." Their skin, by the way, is as sensitive as human's."</p> <p>let's all go out and gawk! what a tonic! </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765888 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:26:28 +0000 whynot_31 765888@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Despite the idealized images of trains and walking around while holding the tail of your elephant friend, I suspect the elephants actually spend lots of quality time being hauled around by tractor trailers. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765879 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:24:12 +0000 notsayin 765879@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Interesting that Gothamist seems to have been given an exclusive on this story by Markowitz / Ringling / Barclays...every mention of the "Elephant Dance Party" cites the Gothamist piece as its source. No press release on the Borough Prez's website.</p> <p>This still leaves open the original "but how will they get there?" question... </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765862 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:55:05 +0000 whynot_31 765862@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>It seems an Elephant Dance Party will be held on Wednesday.</p> <p><a href="http://gothamist.com/2013/03/18/elephant_dance_party_this_wednesday.php" rel="nofollow">http://gothamist.com/2013/03/18/elephant_dance_party_this_wednesday.php</a></p> <p>Needless to say, Marty Markowitz will be there too. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765835 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:24:42 +0000 Mamacita 765835@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Is this a good time to throw in a rage face meme??</p> <p> <img src="http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/578/1234931504682.jpg"> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765834 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:13:30 +0000 notsayin 765834@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Aptly-named Animal New York has a comment from Barclays saying "no elephant walk this year" - and implying the animals will be trucked to the arena - possibly to minimize visibility and interaction with PETA or other animal rights activists:</p> <p><a href="http://animalnewyork.com/2013/therell-be-no-elephant-walk-for-this-years-ringling-brothers-circus/" rel="nofollow">http://animalnewyork.com/2013/therell-be-no-elephant-walk-for-this-years-ringling-brothers-circus/</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765824 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:06:34 +0000 notsayin 765824@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Perhaps this explains why nobody is responding to requests for details on the load-in timing and route...</p> <p>Interesting that there was no secrecy surrounding MSG's elephant walk in years' past.</p> <p>From 2010 via mta.info: <a href="http://new.mta.info/circus-elephants-annual-walk-through-queens-midtown-tunnel" rel="nofollow">http://new.mta.info/circus-elephants-annual-walk-through-queens-midtown-tunnel</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765819 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:01:16 +0000 whynot_31 765819@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Mamacita-<br /> The animal rights folks likely know when the Elephant Walk is, and seem determined to ruin your enjoyment of the event in the name of their cause.</p> <p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/#" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/#</a>!/events/469028973136606/</p> <p><blockquote>Please join In Defense of Animals, [http://www.idausa.org/] Animal Defenders International, [http://www.ad-international.org/adi_usa/], Long Island Orchestrating for Nature (LION) (FB.me/LIONATURE), Caring Activists Against Fur (CAAF) [http://www.caafgroup.com/] Friends of Animals United New Jersey (FAUN) (www.http://faunnj.org/), and local PETA supporters in protesting Ringling Bros. and Barnum &amp; Bailey Circus. [www.ringlingbeatsanimals.com] This is the first time that Ringling has performed at the new Barclays Center arena—let's show it that animal abuse is not welcome in New York!</p> <p>Please attend the huge opening night protest!</p> <p>When: Wednesday, March 20, 6–7 p.m.</p> <p>Where: In front of Barclays Center, 620 Atlantic Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11217 (See this map.) [http://goo.gl/maps/IVX0G]</p> <p>IDA Contact: Deb Robinson, <a href="mailto:circus@idausa.org">circus@idausa.org</a> or (860) 836-7761</p> <p>PETA Contact: Adam Miller at <a href="mailto:AdamM@peta.org">AdamM@peta.org</a> or 323-210-2210 or on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/adamjerk?ref=tn_tnmn]</p> <p>ADI Contact: Erika Mansourian, <a href="mailto:erikamansourian@gmail.com">erikamansourian@gmail.com</a> or 917-476-2430. please contact to RSVP and for questions. </p> <p>There will also be protests at Ringling's following performances:<br /> Thursday, March 21, 6–7 p.m.<br /> Friday, March 22, 6–7 p.m.<br /> Tuesday, March 26, 1–2 p.m.<br /> Wednesday, March 27, 1–2 p.m.<br /> Thursday, March 28, 6–7 p.m.<br /> Friday, March 29, 1–2 p.m. and 6-7:30 p.m.<br /> Saturday. March 30, 2-3:30 p.m. and 6-7:30 p.m<br /> Sunday, March 31, 6-7:30 p.m<br /> Monday, April 1, 12-1 p.m. and 4–5 p.m.</p> <p>Where: In front of Barclays Center, 620 Atlantic Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11217 (See this map.) [http://goo.gl/maps/IVX0G]</p> <p>PETA Contact: Adam Miller at <a href="mailto:AdamM@peta.org">AdamM@peta.org</a> or 323-210-2210 or on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/adamjerk?ref=tn_tnmn]</p> <p>ADI Contact: Erika Mansourian, <a href="mailto:erikamansourian@gmail.com">erikamansourian@gmail.com</a> or 917-476-2430. please contact to RSVP and for questions.</p> <p>IDA Contact: Deb Robinson, <a href="mailto:circus@idausa.org">circus@idausa.org</a> or (860) 836-7761 </p> <p>Please attend these protests if possible. However, Ringling has more performances scheduled. Please contact <a href="mailto:AdamM@peta.org">AdamM@peta.org</a> if you can commit to another day and time. Please see the schedule of performances here. [http://www.ringling.com/TourSchedule.aspx?action=marketsearch&amp;marketId=979]</p> <p>Ringling Bros. and Barnum &amp; Bailey Circus is known for its long history of abusing animals. In 1929, John Ringling ordered the execution of a majestic bull elephant named Black Diamond after the elephant killed a woman who had been in the crowd as he was paraded through a Texas city. Twenty men took aim and pumped some 170 bullets into Black Diamond's body and then chopped off his bullet-ridden head and mounted it for display in Houston. Ringling Bros.' cruel treatment of animals continues today.</p> <p>Elephants in Ringling's possession are chained inside filthy, poorly ventilated boxcars for an average of more than 26 hours straight—and up to 100 hours at a time—when the circus travels. Even former Ringling employees have reported that elephants are routinely abused and violently beaten with bullhooks (weapons that resemble a fireplace poker) in order to force them to perform tricks. </p> <p>To learn more about Ringling's lengthy history of abusing animals, check out PETA's factsheet. [http://circuses.com/pdfs/RinglingHiddenTruthFSetc.pdf]</p> <p>All posters and leaflets will be provided. Please dress conservatively to avoid distracting from our message and note that reserved parking will not be available. If this is your first time attending an outreach event, please read PETA's tips for attending a demonstration. [http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/tips_for_PETA_activists.pdf]</blockquote> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765818 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:46:36 +0000 Mamacita 765818@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>I want to see this, if anyone figures it out please post@!! </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765794 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:42:44 +0000 stewart 765794@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Also, they must have gone up a plank to get on the Ark. Frankly, I think they'll use the escalator. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765793 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:01:02 +0000 notsayin 765793@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Oops, this update on LIRR Today rules out the Bay Ridge to Prospect Heights March (to the tune of "Stayin' Alive"?) theory:</p> <p><a href="http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/circus-train-update.html" rel="nofollow">http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/circus-train-update.html</a></p> <p>And runs with a "the livestock trains will probably park in LIC again" guess - which revives my BQE Bataan March possibility (really though, would likely use Greenpoint Avenue bridge over Newtown Creek, then Franklin, Kent Ave, Flushing past the Navy Yard, and some lucky Ft. Green Avenue (something quiet like Ashland?) to the arena.</p> <p>Again, all just guesswork until someone with LIRR, Barclays, Ringling Bros - or a freight train operator - leaks it. Or they put out a press release like in the good old (2011) days... </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765792 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:51:48 +0000 notsayin 765792@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Not to obsess about the Circus Train (then again, hard <em>not</em> to obsess about a mile-long, 60-car honest-to-goodness circus train that still exists in 2013, right?).</p> <p>Anyway, a bit deeper digging led me to <a href="http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-circus-is-coming.html">this fantastic post</a> on something called "The Long Island Railroad Today" - which walks you through how the train got from the IZOD Center in Newark last week to Nassau Coliseum (through Penn Station!). And then goes on to speculate that for Barclays, the train will (maybe) park in the Bay Ridge yard, followed by a 4.3 mile walk (!) to Prospect Heights. <strong>So the Elephant Walk may be up 4th Avenue</strong>, not Flatbush (xlizellx, I suspect the Ratner quote from 2010 was press-friendly but not based on any real plan). </p> <p>My guess is, either way, with a 7:30 pm show tonight in Hempstead - load-out is at least 10 hours for a show of that size - the move to Brooklyn by rail will likely take place on Monday afternoon, and the elephant walk (if all the speculation here pans out) probably in the wee hours of Monday night / Tuesday AM - to have everything perfect for a Wednesday debut. Again just a hunch.</p> <p>Anyway read the article here: <a href="http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-circus-is-coming.html" rel="nofollow">http://thelirrtoday.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-circus-is-coming.html</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/prospect-heights-elephant-walk-this-monday#post-765789 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:06:05 +0000 whynot_31 765789@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Mrs. Whynot points outs that Hannibal used elephants to go over mountains as part of some invasion.</p> <p>So, apparently they are pretty durable.</p> <p>Note: Mrs. Whynot wasn't there. She reports this info from other sources.</p> <p>Link to help you pass your Sunday:<br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal</a></p> <p>Someone's version of what it may have looked like: <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Hannibal3.jpg/520px-Hannibal3.jpg"> </p>