http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis en-US Wed, 22 May 2013 04:14:08 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://brooklynian.com/forum/search.php http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-764398 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:01:54 +0000 whynot_31 764398@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>The NYT thinks the NYPD's weekly briefings provide an interesting summary:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/nyregion/weekly-briefing-provides-lengthy-snapshot-of-kelly-and-nypd.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/nyregion/weekly-briefing-provides-lengthy-snapshot-of-kelly-and-nypd.html?_r=0</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762822 Mon, 07 Jan 2013 11:31:00 +0000 whynot_31 762822@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>I think you will need more instances to be able to convince people in power that there is a pattern that should be paid attention to.</p> <p>Then, there is the problem of "what should (and can) they do?"</p> <p>When prodded, the police can be pretty good at reducing crime in hot spots. However, they are not so powerful that they can make East New York have the same crime rate as the Upper East Side.</p> <p>P.S. Related reading <a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130107/new-york-city/bronx-da-falls-behind-rest-of-city-fighting-crime-report-shows" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130107/new-york-city/bronx-da-falls-behind-rest-of-city-fighting-crime-report-shows</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762821 Mon, 07 Jan 2013 11:18:29 +0000 Yellowcat 762821@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Right - but the two shootings on Fulton seem like a red flag re: the safety of the "new Brooklyn." </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762819 Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:58:50 +0000 whynot_31 762819@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Often (but not always..) the perpretators have criminogenic needs (i.e. risk factors) in common. This short article provides a summary of the major ones:<br /> <a href="http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/FederalCourts/PPS/Fedprob/2006-09/accountability.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/FederalCourts/PPS/Fedprob/2006-09/accountability.html</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762817 Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:42:20 +0000 Yellowcat 762817@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>There were two shootings in three weeks on a popular and "safe" area - Fulton street between clinto nand Vanderbilt. Both were random, one at least (the one that happened early this Sunday morning and was fatal) involved a drunk person leaving the club on Fulton that is always filled with people who then like to drunk-fight and scream on the streets from 2-5 am. Explain this? </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762753 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:50:29 +0000 whynot_31 762753@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>If you go back several years, just about all rates are down. If you only go back to last year, some rates are up.</p> <p><a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf</a></p> <p>In my view, crime is something that is best looked at over the course of several years. For example, I don't find it worthwhile to just compare 2011 to 2012. The above link provides a start to a broader analysis. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762748 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:25:29 +0000 armchair_warrior 762748@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>so what is the rape and violent crimes rate compare to previous years? </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762741 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:40:42 +0000 whynot_31 762741@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>We seem really fascinated by the murder count. ...Less attention is paid to robberies, assaults and other crimes:</p> <p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/AP4e2fd48c55974c3ba254b5c4cba62308.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTAPHeadlines" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/AP4e2fd48c55974c3ba254b5c4cba62308.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTAPHeadlines</a></p> <p>Regardless, 2012 was a very safe year to be living in NYC. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762616 Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:52:10 +0000 whynot_31 762616@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Less murders in 2012, with various entities claiming the credit.</p> <p><a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121226/new-york-city/gun-violence-declines-this-year-alongside-huge-drop-stop-and-frisks" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121226/new-york-city/gun-violence-declines-this-year-alongside-huge-drop-stop-and-frisks</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762524 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:38:23 +0000 whynot_31 762524@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>A falling rate of incarceration: <a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/citys-incarceration-rate-plummets-as-nations-climbs/?ref=nyregion" rel="nofollow">http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/citys-incarceration-rate-plummets-as-nations-climbs/?ref=nyregion</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762187 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:59:22 +0000 whynot_31 762187@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>More police shot in 2012 than in recent years:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/year-danger-nypd-officers-article-1.1216135#ixzz2EZRXFA5L" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/year-danger-nypd-officers-article-1.1216135#ixzz2EZRXFA5L</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-762005 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:57:00 +0000 whynot_31 762005@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>More jabbering on how attributing decreases (or increases) in the crime rate to just a few factors is not sound:</p> <p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/no-murders-in-new-york-2012-11#ixzz2E1lbEv4u" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessinsider.com/no-murders-in-new-york-2012-11#ixzz2E1lbEv4u</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-756884 Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:56:15 +0000 whynot_31 756884@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Vera will soon host a conversation on the topic:</p> <p><a href="http://www.z2systems.com/np/clients/vera/viewOnlineEmail.jsp?emailId=6c29568ef39fb2a5dad9845899a12ec56m3705976c2" rel="nofollow">http://www.z2systems.com/np/clients/vera/viewOnlineEmail.jsp?emailId=6c29568ef39fb2a5dad9845899a12ec56m3705976c2</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-748918 Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:02:59 +0000 whynot_31 748918@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>The data for 2010 is in, and it states that there was about the same amount of crime recorded in 2011 as there was in 2010.</p> <p><a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/a-flat-year-overall-for-crime-in-new-york/" rel="nofollow">http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/a-flat-year-overall-for-crime-in-new-york/</a></p> <p>...of course, if you were a violent crime victim in 2011, it probably sucks the same amount, regardless of how many other people were victims.</p> <p>Do you think we will have more, or less, crime recorded in 2012? </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-742033 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:44:35 +0000 whynot_31 742033@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>latest repots show NYC crime on the rise</p> <p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/09/17/2011-09-17_2crime17m.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/09/17/2011-09-17_2crime17m.html</a></p> <p>related news in same article?<br /> <blockquote>The number of kids who landed summer youth jobs plummeted by 31%, from 52,255 in 2010 to 35,725 last year.</blockquote> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-716217 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:57:42 +0000 whynot_31 716217@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/02/2010-12-02_drugs_and_guns_are_killing_new_york__two_thirds_of_murder_victims_are_black_drug.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/02/2010-12-02_drugs_and_guns_are_killing_new_york__two_thirds_of_murder_victims_are_black_drug.html</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-714216 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:25:49 +0000 whynot_31 714216@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p> While an increase, murder remains the &quot;third lowest year ever&quot;</p> <p> <a href="http://gothamist.com/2010/11/13/murder_rate_on_pace_for_double-digi.php" rel="nofollow">http://gothamist.com/2010/11/13/murder_rate_on_pace_for_double-digi.php</a></p> <p> <a href="http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm</a></p> <p> <a href="http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/218585.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/218585.pdf</a></p> <p> <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/2009/nytom_ny-crime-decline.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-journal.org/2009/nytom_ny-crime-decline.html</a></p> <p> <a href="http://gothamist.com/2009/05/26/crime_1.php" rel="nofollow">http://gothamist.com/2009/05/26/crime_1.php</a></p> <p> <a href="http://www.vera.org/files/franklin-zimring-the-decline-in-crime-new-york-city-transcription.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vera.org/files/franklin-zimring-the-decline-in-crime-new-york-city-transcription.pdf</a></p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-701582 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:20:36 +0000 whynot_31 701582@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ Folks in the field of mental health and sociology attribute such changes to breaking the Neighborhood Cycle of Violence. <p></p> <p></p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=cycle+of+violence&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=g2g-c1g3g-c1g1g-c2&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=cycle+of+violence&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=g2g-c1g3g-c1g1g-c2&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=</a><p></p> <p></p> Once said cycle is broken, and violence is not commonplace, the society makes gains in many areas.<p></p> <p></p> The police, the economy, and many other factors are credited/blamed for breaking or enacting such cycles http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-701578 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:55:01 +0000 krowonhill 701578@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>Water Ice&nbsp;&raquo;&nbsp;</cite>Thanks krowonhill. The findings presented in this article are disturbing, but probably don't entirely account for the amazing reduction in crime experienced in NYC. Certainly some of the reduction is the result of aggressive and organized policing. Otherwise, areas such as Brownsville, formerly a high crime area which has remained poor and had virtually no gentrification, would not have seen such a precipitous fall in crime levels during the past 15 years. One can say this about many other NYC neighborhoods as well. Nonetheless, gentrification has played a role, as people are pushed out into less expensive areas. If, however, the effects of gentrification were so highly correlated (or deterministic), then you would expect to have seen a similar reduction in crime rates in cities like D.C., but that hasn't happened (at least not to the extent of that experienced by NYC). The same can be said about changes in demographics (fewer unwanted births, higher educational attainment, high prison populations, etc). The NYC police force is highly effective, and can claim at least some responsibility for the performance of the last 15 years.</blockquote><p></p> <p></p> Water Ice, <p></p> <p></p> My read on this is that, as crime in gentrifying areas dropped, the City had more resources to put towards areas that didn't benefit from that progression. That is, the NYPD and other institutions have been effective all along, but their effectiveness was overwhelmed by the scope of crime in earlier decades. Regardless, it's good to know that something can be done about crime, whether or not the resources are there. <p></p> <p></p> Krow http://brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-and-beyond/the-thread-where-we-discuss-crime-on-a-citywide-basis#post-701375 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:05:20 +0000 Boygabriel 701375@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>eggcream/NYPost&nbsp;&raquo;&nbsp;</cite>Yet despite these warning signs, some would curb the police's ability to enforce the law. <b>One new state law, for example, forcing cops to ditch a database of suspects halted under stop-and-frisk, is sure to send crime rates higher.</b><p></p> <p></p> <b>And there are those out to end stop-and-frisk entirely -- despite its proven use as a vital law-enforcement tool.</b></blockquote><p></p> <p></p> One of the many fundamental flaws with this viewpoint is that cops aren't stopping &quot;suspects&quot;, as the NYP tries to claim. They're stopping <i>everyone</i> (who's poor and non-white). Which engenders acrimony (to say the least) between the police and the community they need to rely on in order to make a difference. People stop trusting the police in their community, and rightfully so.<p></p> <p></p> Excessive policing and treating everyone like a criminal (which is what stop and frisk does) doesn't lower crime. In fact many studies come out showing quite the opposite, especially among non-violent and simple drug offenders.<p></p> <p></p> <blockquote>...is sure to send crime rates higher. </blockquote><p></p> <p></p> This is pure conjecture and quite typical of people who think that throwing police, jail sentences and stop-and-frisk at a problem makes it go away, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.