http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave en-US Thu, 23 May 2013 05:44:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://brooklynian.com/forum/search.php http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722754 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:15:58 +0000 WhyFi 722754@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Who says that I hate cars? What does your assumption (that emotion rules my decision making) say about you? </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722737 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:46:18 +0000 inpixels 722737@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>nofay</p> <p>try crossing the street from/to keyfood ---nightmare</p> <p>here's a great reason to hate cars if you are looking for one<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w</a> </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722731 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:16:45 +0000 nofay 722731@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Whyfi why do you hate cars so much?</p> <p>Vanderbilt is a lot wider than Washington and people are not going to stop driving just becsuse you hate cars. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722729 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:12:32 +0000 Jack Krohn 722729@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>I love Vanderbilt. The median and slew of new bars, cafes and restaurants has, IMO, made it a great place to unwind after a hard week at work. The only problem is that I don't get to other parts of Brooklyn (e.g. Williamsburg, Ditmas Park, even 5th Ave.) as much as I used to, because there are so many cool places on Vanderbilt, Washington, and Franklin Avenues. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722728 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:10:33 +0000 WhyFi 722728@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>homeowner <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722720">said</a>:</cite><br /> WhyFi, Flatbush residents have no easy way via public transportation to get to Ft. Greene or to the northern side of Brooklyn. The Empire-Washington Ave route is a historic one for people needing to get over there. The only subway option is the 3 to Atlantic and then walk back up into Ft Greene. For people living far east of Nostrand that becomes a difficult hike. </p> <p>On the bus, a trip from Kings County Hospital to Brooklyn Hospital is an hour+ ride. By car you can do it in 15-20 minutes. Remember east of Nostrand and south of EP there is almost zero subway service, and those folks still need to get downtown for work, school, to get to any public offices (courts, DMV, etc).</p> </blockquote> <p>A traffic route is 'historic'? Come on, now. </p> <p>Traffic <em>scales</em>. This is oversimplification, but there's truth to it - make a wider route, more drivers will fill it. Constrict it, and they'll find another way. Did Vanderbilt turn in to a parking lot? No. Will Washington? No, because some people will think twice before they jump in their car for some frivolous trip. </p> <p>As the population of Brooklyn continues to grow, what then? If the infrastructure has problems in the current form, what are hundreds of thousands of new residents going to do to it, if they try bring their cars? Driving is very, very low density and, even if it would help, we can't make the streets any wider, so driving needs to be discouraged. Will there be growing pains? Sure, but the problem is going to rear its head either way - in the meantime, we can either adopt changes that will make Washington more viable for business or we can continue to let it languish. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722722 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:26:56 +0000 WhyFi 722722@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>nofay <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722717">said</a>:</cite><br /> Sounds like you dont care about the rest of Brooklyn just your little street and there have not been nor are there that many great businesses worth stopping for on Washington. Thats why I mentioned Islands oh and Rawstar too but thats about it. Perhaps if people open stopworthy businesses then more people will stop. You cant shut down a whole borough just to have your little quaint idyllic urban paradise. </p></blockquote> <p><img src="http://stubbornlynaive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Slow-Clap.gif"></p> <blockquote><p><cite>WhyFi <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/rally-this-saturday-against-changes-at-ps-9-10#post-722686">said</a>:</cite>I actually like good discussion, but you haven't yet been able to demonstrate that any of your arguments are rational. Try supporting your thoughts instead of just flinging baseless accusations. I don't think that you have it in you, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. </p></blockquote> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722720 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:21:59 +0000 homeowner 722720@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>WhyFi, Flatbush residents have no easy way via public transportation to get to Ft. Greene or to the northern side of Brooklyn. The Empire-Washington Ave route is a historic one for people needing to get over there. The only subway option is the 3 to Atlantic and then walk back up into Ft Greene. For people living far east of Nostrand that becomes a difficult hike. </p> <p>On the bus, a trip from Kings County Hospital to Brooklyn Hospital is an hour+ ride. By car you can do it in 15-20 minutes. Remember east of Nostrand and south of EP there is almost zero subway service, and those folks still need to get downtown for work, school, to get to any public offices (courts, DMV, etc). </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722717 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:13:44 +0000 nofay 722717@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Sounds like you dont care about the rest of Brooklyn just your little street and there have not been nor are there that many great businesses worth stopping for on Washington. Thats why I mentioned Islands oh and Rawstar too but thats about it. Perhaps if people open stopworthy businesses then more people will stop. You cant shut down a whole borough just to have your little quaint idyllic urban paradise. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722716 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:09:42 +0000 WhyFi 722716@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>nofay <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722708">said</a>:</cite><br /> Washington is a major crosstown route to get to Empire and it is very necessary.</p></blockquote> <p>Says who? Why does Washington Avenue care about Empire? Where are these people coming from Empire going to? Why do they need to go in their cars? </p> <blockquote><p><cite>nofay <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722708">said</a>:</cite>The sidewalks are fine so I dont see any pedestrian problem. Also, there are often open parking spots and I have many times stopped at Yaad Style nor Islands for something to eat on my way. I am sure others do as well, matter of fact I know so. </p></blockquote> <p>Yeah, you say it, so it must be true. Question, though - if all of these drivers are stopping on their way through, why are so many Washington businesses struggling to keep their doors open? Not that it matters, because taking away lanes isn't going to affect the number of parking spots, so I'm sure that you'll still be able to stop and spend those dollars. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722715 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:03:43 +0000 nofay 722715@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Well it does. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722710 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:51:22 +0000 whynot_31 722710@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>BTW, Any moment someone may tell us the Triangle is in CH.</p> <p>Gotta love the purists!</p> <p>Roads should be purely for cars!<br /> The PH neighborhood ends on the west side of Washington!<br /> &lt;img src=&quot;http://brooklynian.com/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722709 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:51:00 +0000 WhyFi 722709@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>...that being said, I'd rather see an apartment building than the mechanic shop... I'm sure he's a nice guy, but it's damn ugly. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722708 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:49:30 +0000 nofay 722708@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Washington is a major crosstown route to get to Empire and it is very necessary. The sidewalks are fine so I dont see any pedestrian problem. Also, there are often open parking spots and I have many times stopped at Yaad Style nor Islands for something to eat on my way. I am sure others do as well, matter of fact I know so. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722707 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:46:35 +0000 whynot_31 722707@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Whyfi-<br /> The owners of such sites usually renovate based on what they think will make them the most $.</p> <p>But Sometimes they guess wrong and lose money.</p> <p>The mechanic guy is a mere tenant, but he told me he hoped the LL continued to not be able to get his act together when I talked with him several months ago </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722706 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:36:19 +0000 WhyFi 722706@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>whynot_31 <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722704">said</a>:</cite><br /> Whyfi-<br /> I have heard that plans for an apt building have been filed for the triangle. I imagine the economy is the hold up </p></blockquote> <p>Really? That'd suck. I'd much rather have tables, umbrellas and tasty food and drink. Screw apartments and more transplants! </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722705 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:33:26 +0000 WhyFi 722705@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>nofay <a href="http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722701">said</a>:</cite><br /> The traffic is already horrible enough as it is on Washington. Any less lanes or any skinnier would be an epic disaster!</p> </blockquote> <p>Yeah, I think that that's kinda the point. If drivers know that Washington is more of a neighborhood street and less of a freeway, some of them will take alternate routes. If those routes become less viable, for whatever reason, some of those drivers will find alternate transportation, something sorely needed with the rising density of NYC. </p> <p>Also, do you think that the businesses on Washington want the street to be more car friendly or more pedestrian friendly? Cars passing through from one neighborhood to another neighborhood don't do them much good, so I'm going to put my money on 'pedestrian friendly,' because, let's face it - with the number of vacant or failing storefronts on Washington, the current situation isn't working very well. Washington has a lot of potential; calming it and gussying it up will go a long ways towards making it a viable alternative for businesses that can help keep $ in the neighborhood. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722704 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:30:05 +0000 whynot_31 722704@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Whyfi-<br /> I have heard that plans for an apt building have been filed for the triangle. I imagine the economy is the hold up </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722701 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:06:23 +0000 nofay 722701@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>The traffic is already horrible enough as it is on Washington. Any less lanes or any skinnier would be an epic disaster! </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722700 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:43:40 +0000 WhyFi 722700@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>Take away a lane in each direction and there will be plenty of room for a median on Washington. Should be able to fit in bike lanes, too. </p> <p>All we need now is outdoor eating at the location of the scrap heap - er, auto repair place on the Washington/Park/Prospect triangle. </p> http://brooklynian.com/forum/prospect-heights/why-no-praise-for-the-new-vanderbilt-ave#post-722695 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:22:23 +0000 nofay 722695@http://brooklynian.com/forum/ <p>The things in the middle of Vanderbilt actually look nice. Washington is too skinny for something like that but some trees on the sidewalk would look nice. As for Classon, it is a major artery to the BQE. Classon and Bedford will remain very busy regardless. Nostrand is in serious need of repair. </p>