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    1. armchair_warrior
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      "Look, they've been looting our wallets for too long," said a young male who claimed he helped himself to a TV at the Rent-A-Center.

      “It's about time we start taking this sh—back," the youth, who identified himself as Jesse James, told the Daily News.

      "They broke right in through the roof while the cops were standing outside. It's unbelievable. They were passing bottles down to each other from the roof," he said.

      Troyano said between the flooding and the plundering, his losses were too high to easily calculate. He said he’s not sure when he’ll reopen.

      "We are supposed to come together as a community during times of crisis, not pick at each other like vultures," he said. "Next time I'm getting a gun."

      Looters also hit The Fresh Market five blocks down.

      "They destroyed everything. They stole anything they could get their hands on. Someone even ran off with the cash register," said employee Fernando Mendoza as he picked up pieces of broken glass Wednesday.

      "It was a mob of people. Fifty to a hundred. They were just running down the street grabbing anything that wasn't nailed down," he said.

      Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/looters-target-coney-island-sandy-article-1.1195080#ixzz2AwDtRckx

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    2. armchair_warrior
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      I know people who live in that area, People don't need this type of !@#@$% to cause more problems that the storm already did.

      How come this isn't on the news? I didn't see it on tv at all.

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    3. tateinbk
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      I've read about it here, but it is a little shocking that it's not on the tv news.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225663/Even-momma-got-outta-house-loot-new-shirt-Looters-brag-Twitter-stealing-flood-hit-stores.html

      It makes it pretty awful that Bloomberg is refusing National Guardsmen. Clearly this job is too much for the city's police force. There just aren't enough cops.

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      tateinbk said:
      I've read about it here, but it is a little shocking that it's not on the tv news.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225663/Even-momma-got-outta-house-loot-new-shirt-Looters-brag-Twitter-stealing-flood-hit-stores.html

      It makes it pretty awful that Bloomberg is refusing National Guardsmen. Clearly this job is too much for the city's police force. There just aren't enough cops.

      Have you read the comments? A lot of those pictures are from other storms in other states in other years.

      That said, a friend of mine whose girlfriend lives in Rockaway said that she told him she saw looters there. I haven't heard anything about looting anywhere else, though, I did hear that some people were getting mugged in lower Manhattan while walking around in the dark.

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      I am willing tolerate some spotty police coverage and sporadic looting, more than I am willing to tolerate what could happen from using a bunch of scared, armed "citizen soldiers" we borrowed for the week from Rockland County.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      It's the same scene every time there's a disaster like this and these thieves use the same rationalizations just like they did in the 1977 blackout. I guess times really haven't changed much and then people wonder why they can't get services in the poorer areas.

    7. whynot_31 said:
      I am willing tolerate some spotty police coverage and sporadic looting, more than I am willing to tolerate what could happen from using a bunch of scared, armed "citizen soldiers" we borrowed for the week from Rockland County.

      Agree 110% We just don't need George Zimmerman types, with preconceived notions on how "potential looters" may look acting as if they are vigilante cops in the wild west. Many of these stores have insurance to cover loses from theft. There is no insurance against a life lost. In regards to the mugging victims. Just be smart: this is a city wide disaster, there is no power/cell phone service in many areas, and the cops are inundated with life threatening crises. The criminals know these things. Use common sense and just don't wander too far from home by yourself and don't wander out after dark AT ALL.

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    8. armchair_warrior
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      you folks are from the rich side of the tracks. I grew up dirt poor. so huge differences in perspective. to me they only deserves to get shot that is about it. Alot of people who own those mom and pop shops don't have no fancy insurance that would insure them for their goods.

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      AW-
      Don't worry. In the long run, the children of the store owners will work thier butts off doing homework and go to reputable colleges. Then, years from now, they will tell stories of what their grand parents had to sacrifice, to their children who live in the luxury.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    10. tateinbk
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      I'm siding with AW on this one. We should just let anarchy happen because National Guardsmen are going to be gun happy? I think the NYPD has proved they can be plenty gun happy themselves, but that's neither here nor there.

      You think Staten Island would turn down some help doing clean-up? The National Guard could be very useful and non-violent there. They could also take over some of the more basic roles in places like Downtown, where there are fewer chances to take on a "George Zimmerman" role. This would free up the NYPD to go to places like the Rockaways.

      I fail to see how abandoning these poorer areas is at all better off for the actual poor people. Have the National Guard bring food and water in, or assist the NYPD or hell, just drive humvees around being a "presence" that are not allowed to act without NYPD assistance.

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      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/brooklyn-man-brutally-beaten-hurricane-sandy-article-1.1195223

      vid of a thugs beating a man senseless a mugging.

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    12. armchair_warrior
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      do you really want scum like this in your society who takes advantage of a terrible natural disaster like this?

      While most people are pulling together and helping each other out, jerk offs like these guys are out preying on everyone else.

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      The NY National Guard in is use, it is just not being used in a security/police role.

      AW, while you might think Rikers Island is too pleasant for looters, they seem to dislike it enough to run from the police.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      When you live with no rules, place like Rikers Island is full of rules of course you'll run. They might as well get a real job, if they could follow rules.

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      This story seems to indicate the police were present, and were able to make a bunch of arrests:

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121031/coney-island/alleged-looters-smash-rob-stores-coney-island-rockaways

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    16. cool the kid
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      AW just wants these folks to come in and retaliate agaisnt people he deems unworthy/undesirable

      I dont see the connection between George Zimmerman and the National Guards though. We definitely need the help, esp in the poorer neighborhoods. But its not cool that AW is using this as an opportunity to wish harm on folks he doesnt like

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    17. armchair_warrior
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      In the western legal world they don't allow revenge, there is no finality without revenge.

      Justice and revenge are separated in that world. But humans can't separate that emotion.

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      Fear of the dark was rampant. There was no emergency lighting in powerless buildings, and while the police had set up some floodlights, most hallways and stairwells were windowless — making them pitch black even in daytime.

      Miriam Williams, 47, had twisted her ankle and scraped her hand falling down a set of concrete stairs at the Red Hook houses. In the Rutgers Houses, on the Lower East Side, people said there had been robberies in the stairwells.

      Robert Davis, 70, who lives in the La Guardia Houses, said someone was pretending to be a police officer, blinding people with a bright flashlight, asking for ID and then taking their wallets. Ms. Leon, of the Coney Island Houses, said someone tried to break in the night of the storm by pulling screws out of the front door knob, so she used a baby gate and a knife, jammed into a lock, to keep the door shut.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/nyregion/in-public-housing-after-hurricane-sandy-fear-misery-and-heroism.html

      worse than looting business robbing poor people.

      If you are going to loot, loot chain stores they are insured unlike most mom and pop stores in poor areas.

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      Hardened New Yorkers are ready to battle lowlife criminals to protect their homes and stores in storm-ravaged areas plagued by looting and break-ins.

      In Coney Island, several residents were loading up their guns, sharpening their machetes and brandishing other deadly weapons.

      Jacinto Gonzalez, 42, picked up a baseball bat and stood guard outside his two-story rowhouse on West 27th Street near Neptune Avenue with his family.

      Another Coney Island resident, Roberto Aviles, brandishing a rusty 3-foot machete and warning he has a gun, who has lived in Coney Island since 1995 with his wife, says he’s ready to take on phony burglars posing as Con Ed workers.

      http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/klyn_bat_man_run_looters_VxfnY8FAH2MYZZ9GrKM6eJ

      some folks are atleast trying. I hate those fake con ed guys. seriously man what the hell.

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      When night falls in the Rockaways, the hoods come out.

      Ever since Sandy strafed the Queens peninsula and tore up the boardwalk, it’s become an often lawless place where cops are even scarcer than electrical power and food. Locals say they are arming themselves with guns, baseball bats, booby traps — even a bow and arrow — to defend against looters.

      Thugs have been masquerading as Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) workers, knocking on doors in the dead of night. But locals say the real workers have been nowhere in sight, causing at least one elected official — who fears a descent into anarchy if help doesn’t arrive soon — to call for the city to investigate the utility.

      Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-residents-arm-looters-article-1.1196031#ixzz2BGDzo0Ca

      So where are the cops, probably like the L.A. riots ran away when there is real trouble.

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      There seems to via a variety of opinions about how the police are doing in the areas without power. This article, reports they did ok in Coney Island:

      http://bkbureau.org/storm-battered-coney-trickle-relief-faces-deluge-damage

      That said, hopefully the situation in the hardest hit areas have improved as a result of police protection and quickly formed neighborhood patrols.

      Attempts to mitigate the dire situations must be well thought out.

      For example, the NY National Guard seems as if it consulted very few city authorities for advice before having a gas give away. This furthers my opinion that putting them in a police/security role would have been a bad idea:

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121103/new-york-city/staten-islanders-turned-away-from-free-gas-trucks-after-thousands-line-up

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121104/crown-heights/after-12-hour-wait-residents-turned-away-when-natl-guard-runs-out-of-gas

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
    22. whynot_31 said:
      There seems to via a variety of opinions about how the police are doing in the areas without power. This article, reports they did ok in Coney Island:

      http://bkbureau.org/storm-battered-coney-trickle-relief-faces-deluge-damage

      That said, hopefully the situation in the hardest hit areas have improved as a result of police protection and quickly formed neighborhood patrols.

      Attempts to mitigate the dire situations must be well thought out.

      For example, the NY National Guard seems as if it consulted very few city authorities for advice before having a gas give away. This furthers my opinion that putting them in a police/security role would have been a bad idea:

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121103/new-york-city/staten-islanders-turned-away-from-free-gas-trucks-after-thousands-line-up

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121104/crown-heights/after-12-hour-wait-residents-turned-away-when-natl-guard-runs-out-of-gas

      Again I agree 100% with Why_Not. The cops know their beats, and tend to have a better feel for the actual "criminals" out there versus the people who look like "low life miscreants" but are actually just harmless "hoods". What worries me, is that stringent attitudes such as Armachair Warrior's seems to often accompany overzealous types like Zimmerman.

      As to CooltheKid:
      I don't think the National Guard are any less immune to acting like Zimmerman, as it is, cops have been known to act like Zimmerman see:

      Amadou Daillo
      Sean Bell
      Ramarly Graham

      et al. for further reference. My two cents is that at least COPS are more answerable to the districts they serve than national guard folks who may live in other states, may not be recognized by community organizers and not be as accountable. I believe it makes Zimmerman style problems all the more likely.

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      Regardless of whether one feels the NG would have been helpful in a security role, this article seems to state that the city was (for the most part), not under a crime seize:

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/burglaries-surge-hurricane-sandy-article-1.1196245

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      A similar article was published by the NYT today.

      It states the looting that occurred was not widespread, and describes how the NYPD took steps to curtail the problem.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/nyregion/chasing-a-post-storm-boogeyman-through-neighborhoods-gone-dark.html

      As I read it, I do not get the impression of a city that was in need of a military force for security.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      here is another how many people didn't bother to report the burglaries or attempted?

      I don't if it was attempted. no point i filing paper work for that.

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      AW, it is ok to want over react in the heat of crisis. Thankfully, Bloomberg didn't.

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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      The City Council is considering a bill that would make the penalties for crimes committed after disasters more severe:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/AP4f6e6bb7cd1748acaa91a4cbb3a4873d.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTAPHeadlines

      For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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