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What's the deal? The dark frame glasses, tight jeans, scruffy faces, Brooklyn Industries bags, incredible skinniness, Chuck Taylor sneakers? Why are they all such carbon copies? I thought that whole style started as a way to be different, and now it's like a population of people who are exactly like each other and who are, in fact, very difficult to tell apart. I'm not trying to be offensive here, I'm truly curious. Does anyone know?
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Subject: Re: Hipsters
Jay B » What's the deal? The dark frame glasses, tight jeans, scruffy faces, Brooklyn Industries bags, incredible skinniness, Chuck Taylor sneakers? Why are they all such carbon copies? I thought that whole style started as a way to be different, and now it's like a population of people who are exactly like each other and who are, in fact, very difficult to tell apart. I'm not trying to be offensive here, I'm truly curious. Does anyone know?
Dude- did you just move here? Is this an observation you've made only recently? Ok- to answer your question- every generation has their followers, their sheep, if you will. Nothing new, except for the nicknames we give them. I suggest going up to one and asking them. And please videotape it for us. We are a bored bunch of freaks."...you can choose the rain....but I choose the sun..." - N. Costa -
I still have my leg warmers from the 80s. I still wear my jelly shoes. Haters.Babies aren't meat! They're not even people!
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maybe just the zeitgeist? the bitter cold of 09 might explain the faces. or maybe they're getting ready to move farther east. a lotta hippies became hasids, so why not hipsters? the skinniness is annoying yes, but nothing gives me a warmer feeling than seeing a fat hipster who dresses like he was skinny. they'll be regretting the sneakers once they all have issues with their arches 10 years from now! and the jeans... you know what jay-z has to say about that right?I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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Nope, didn't just move here. I just figured I'd see what type of response I'd get here. It's been bothering me for a while now. I think the breaking point was when I found myself at some party where I was the only one without those glasses on. And regarding the Jay-Z jeans line, yeah I know what he says. That line echoes my thougts exactly, and makes me wonder where these dudes put their "knots." Seems like they're sacrificing comfort and their ability to procreate just so they can be "hip." I don't get it! WTF?!!!
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I think this is a good thing, this hipster swarm. It's like when some tiny company or artist comes up with a good idea and a couple years later everyone you see is copying the idea. The really great thing about Brooklyn is we all think we're the innovators when really we're just early adopters of (hopefully) growing trends (voting Democrat, organic food and green markets, locally made clothes bought at 5th Ave. shops, funny hats, reading, etc. etc.). It's like being the second or third guy in a pyramid scheme (at least as far as feeding my tiny little ego...) About the jeans... um... maybe I'm not hip after all. I still wear khakis...
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i couldn't find a way to articulate this in last week's big thread, but was anyone else thinking that Fed Up's big problem was that he didn't realize what an outlandish hipster he was? i imagined him with super tight pants, a goofy houndstooth stingy brim fedora (no snap, cocked back), and green plastic raybans, thinking THIS IS WHO I AM: WHITE! if anyone's curious, my pants of choice: dickies 874's and levi's 505's.I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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I believe, that in one fashion or another, the current hipster movement may have reared it's horn rimmed black glasses and skinny bs head from the mid-90's yuppie movement when the yuppies started to migrate from their posh lives uptown to the gritty and filthy scenes below 14th St. At that time, Hush Puppie shoes became the choice of footwear (for yuppies and those that wanted to be "cool") and soon it became an epidemic which was then caught by the rest of the population. Soon enough, more and more people were wearing them and a new fad of "hipster" was born...out of yuppies. The blow, the clubs and bars were a breeding ground for "new" fashions which evolved into the current "hipster movement". When those particular neighborhoods started to become more like a mutated yuppie paradise(over priced and understocked), they started to move in and force the punks and residents out...as the "hipsters" number grew, they expanded and moved across the river to Williamsburg, now Hipster central. Sure, maybe this seems far fetched, a crazy idea, but i have a feeling that it def. contributed to the current state of affairs.“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn”
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Wow, looks like JAH is back. PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
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Ok, can someone explain the whole "wearing your flat cap and scarf indoors" thing? You stopped to take off your coat but you're leaving your hat and scarf on, why?
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Also, i don't think you can trace back the "hipster movement" to any 1 particular event. You know what the say, "what goes around, comes around." I see the black glasses as the 50's buddy holly look, the skinny jeans from the 60's and 70's etc etc. Sometimes it seems that some people would feel more comfortable being a part of a group such as the hipsters...how hard can it be to not shave, wear skinny girly jeans and glasses (esp. when you DON'T need them), fedora's from the 40s and 50's??? Well, who knows...i wonder what the next step will be for this group? Not gonna lie, i do have hipster friends, maybe someday i'll ask them why. haha“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn”
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I'll explain the "flat cap and scarf"...it's because some people are that fucking stupid, i mean cool. 'nough said.“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn”
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Everyone fits into some kind of carbon copy group, it is not just the hipsters. I personally think the girls who seem to think that tights count as pants or punish their legs by wearing big fuzzy boots and mini skirts are much more disconcerting.
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Rayven » Everyone fits into some kind of carbon copy group, it is not just the hipsters. I personally think the girls who seem to think that tights count as pants or punish their legs by wearing big fuzzy boots and mini skirts are much more disconcerting.
True that...“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn” -
There are lots of real villains in the world - terrorists, murderers, thieves, rapists... plenty of people to extend hatred towards who truly deserve it, if you have so much rage inside of you. So I have to wonder about all the vitriol directed at perfectly innocent people because you don't approve of how they dress. It really makes you look pathetic when you do that. Does it make people feel "cool" to tear down anything that doesn't fall into their perceived view of the way people should act and dress. If they aren't bothering you or breaking any laws - then god bless 'em and move on instead of demonizing innocent people for your own humor or insecurity or whatever. To each his or her own, that's what I say. It takes all kinds in this world and we are all just trying to get along as best we can. Please grow up.
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as stuff that white people like pointed out, the scarves are for temperature regulation. a drafty room is likely to chill these skinny folk to the bone, and somehow wearing a big scarf (or the occasional non-political keffiyeh) keeps them warm. and the hats are because the dudes are self conscious either about hat head or hair loss. i understand the latter, that's why i'm frequently wearing a phillies cap. WFC!I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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silverager, has anyone ever told you you're really good at sucking the fun out of a conversation? Jay B: are you a secret hipster? http://stuffhipstersdontlike.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/1-hipsters/I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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I'm sorry, you're looking for an explanation of why there exists a group of people who dress similar? How many bridge 'n' tunnelers have you seen sporting pink dress shirts that have glittery emblems on them, locked arm in arm with gals with even more glitter on their face? why do they do that? how about teenagers with loooong white t-shirts and those bags you get free with sneakers hanging off their elbows? why do they do that? ohio tourists with pants so high up their waist they don't have backs anymore? why do they wear those pants so high? or those grandmothers with purple hair. purple is less noticeable than white? why do they do that? you really think hipsters are the single group with a herd mentality? _they're_ the best example you could come up with of blindly following a trend?
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silverager » There are lots of real villains in the world - terrorists, murderers, thieves, rapists... plenty of people to extend hatred towards who truly deserve it, if you have so much rage inside of you. So I have to wonder about all the vitriol directed at perfectly innocent people because you don't approve of how they dress. It really makes you look pathetic when you do that. Does it make people feel "cool" to tear down anything that doesn't fall into their perceived view of the way people should act and dress. If they aren't bothering you or breaking any laws - then god bless 'em and move on instead of demonizing innocent people for your own humor or insecurity or whatever. To each his or her own, that's what I say. It takes all kinds in this world and we are all just trying to get along as best we can. Please grow up.
Merely a possible explanation as to how a movement or fashion came to be...i personally don't "hate" these people...i have friends that are of the hipster motif and i'm fine with what they do or anyone else does for that matter...it's just funny that there is such a presence of it. I guess some are just afraid of what could potentially be...kinda like when the Village became a yuppie haven practically overnight.“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn” -
silverager » demonizing innocent people for your own humor or insecurity or whatever. To each his or her own, that's what I say. It takes all kinds in this world and we are all just trying to get along as best we can.
also, i don't think criticizing mass-conformity or nitpicking on fashion trends is necessarily demonizing people. it's not like Jay B and I are talking about going hipster stomping. there are already people doing that (see: fed up).I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders. -
bobbybrummel » [quote="silverager"]demonizing innocent people for your own humor or insecurity or whatever. To each his or her own, that's what I say. It takes all kinds in this world and we are all just trying to get along as best we can.
also, i don't think criticizing mass-conformity or nitpicking on fashion trends is necessarily demonizing people. it's not like Jay B and I are talking about going hipster stomping. there are already people doing that (see: fed up).[/quote] Damn straight Bobbybrummel. Shit, this is just a fucking blog...who gives 2 shits anyways?“We got a safe in the trunk with money in a stack With dice in the front and Brooklyn's in the back – No Sleep til Brooklyn” -
You've probably seen it already...but it makes me giggle.
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this is a blog? has "blog" just come to mean "internet"?
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well it does have an RSS feed. you can think of all original posters as contributors to the blog, and every additional posting as a comment. if you've ever tried to follow brooklynian with a blog reader you'll know it's the worst blog ever.I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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Flo » You've probably seen it already...but it makes me giggle.
I liked that, Flo. Thanks for sharing the giggle."...you can choose the rain....but I choose the sun..." - N. Costa -
silverager » There are lots of real villains in the world - terrorists, murderers, thieves, rapists... plenty of people to extend hatred towards who truly deserve it, if you have so much rage inside of you. So I have to wonder about all the vitriol directed at perfectly innocent people because you don't approve of how they dress. It really makes you look pathetic when you do that. Does it make people feel "cool" to tear down anything that doesn't fall into their perceived view of the way people should act and dress. If they aren't bothering you or breaking any laws - then god bless 'em and move on instead of demonizing innocent people for your own humor or insecurity or whatever. To each his or her own, that's what I say. It takes all kinds in this world and we are all just trying to get along as best we can. Please grow up.
Well, first off, yes, on occasion, it is in fact loads of fun to direct vitriol at others. Sorry to break it to you. As much fun as eating a pound of bacon in front of my vegetarian sister, in fact. And second, to direct ire at this particular group is more fun than usual, as, in my experience, its not their silly dress that's the issue, its their hive mind, their sameness. As I believe someone else already stated, this may have started out as some sort of minor counter-culture thing, an effort to be different than everyone else around you, sometime back in the mid- to late 90's. However, by the takeover of Williamsburg shortly thereafter, it was obvious that "being different" became the norm, at least it was if you were white, lived in either lower Manhattan or parts of Brooklyn, were in your 20's and your parents bought your apartment and/or paid your rent. Also, the holier-than-thou attitude that is so often on display does them no favors either. Case in point... this is a conversation that took place on Franklin Avenue about two years ago: Lost Man: There's got to be someplace to eat right around here. Lost Woman: Right, just get a couple of sandwiches or something. Annoying Hipster Girl: Oh my god, they ONLY place to get decent food is Saje! Its right down the street, that way. Last Man: Oh, thanks. They have, like, sandwiches? Lunch food? Annoying Hipster Girl: They carry Pressinis that are sooo yummy. Really, its the only decent place in this whole neighborhood. I wouldn't even walk into anyplace else that serves food here. So the lost couple proceeds to Saje, notice the prices, leave, and go to a bodega to get a couple of Boar's Head sandwiches. They were friends of mine who came down from Washington Heights on the subway to visit. Am I generalizing unfairly? Of course. If you didn't know, sometimes that's fun too.If you're happy, you're not paying attention.
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another fun video for y'all enjoyment p.s. I have to admit I am a bit of a closet emo kid.
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Subject: Re: Hipsters
Jay B » What's the deal? The dark frame glasses, tight jeans, scruffy faces, Brooklyn Industries bags, incredible skinniness, Chuck Taylor sneakers? Why are they all such carbon copies? I thought that whole style started as a way to be different, and now it's like a population of people who are exactly like each other and who are, in fact, very difficult to tell apart. I'm not trying to be offensive here, I'm truly curious. Does anyone know?
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"You wanna be an individual, right? You look like you're wearing a uniform. You look like a punk. That's not rebellion. That's fashion."Babies aren't meat! They're not even people!
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i think hipsters are also partly a physical manifestation of the quirkidemic that has been described elsewhere (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200709/quirk). it's one thing to appreciate the peculiar, but once a large portion of an entire generation embraces strange for strange's sake, then you start to lose your mind and with it any sense of what actually looks silly.I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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That's such a hipster thing to say.
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GermanHermann » I'm sorry, you're looking for an explanation of why there exists a group of people who dress similar? How many bridge 'n' tunnelers have you seen sporting pink dress shirts that have glittery emblems on them, locked arm in arm with gals with even more glitter on their face? why do they do that? how about teenagers with loooong white t-shirts and those bags you get free with sneakers hanging off their elbows? why do they do that? ohio tourists with pants so high up their waist they don't have backs anymore? why do they wear those pants so high? or those grandmothers with purple hair. purple is less noticeable than white? why do they do that? you really think hipsters are the single group with a herd mentality? _they're_ the best example you could come up with of blindly following a trend?
Did I say only hipsters had that mentality? Nope. If I wrote about one book I thought was good, would you be on my back for not mentioning every other good book ever? I'm really just curious what the deal is with hipsters. I could care less about purple hair, ohio tourists, or glitter faced girls. -
bobbybrummel » silverager, has anyone ever told you you're really good at sucking the fun out of a conversation? Jay B: are you a secret hipster? http://stuffhipstersdontlike.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/1-hipsters/
Silverager, come on. We don't hate hipsters, we just think they're kind of funny. And now we're talking about it. Haha nope. My jeans have plenty of room for my knots. I wear Nikes and I'm an appropriate weight given my height. I shave and hate scarves. And I've never worn glasses. I drink Becks, not PBR. And Williamsburg scares me way more than Brownsville at 3am. That link is funny though. And true. -
oh goodie! this again. blind, insincere followers of any movement are annoying. but this is new york, guys. people smoke pot and paint and play guitar and they're probably going to be classified as hipsters, right? not everybody that looks the part is a fake. jus' sayin.
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Jay B » I'm really just curious what the deal is with hipsters. I could care less about purple hair, ohio tourists, or glitter faced girls.
You missed the point, Jay B. There's no deal with them. They like tight pants and deep v sweaters. Just in the same way that some people like hot pants and halter tops, or some people like jackets with patches on the elbows. The idea that it's silly for them to have a conformity amongst themselves because they are against conformity is itself silly. I've met a lot of hipsters, I've never met one who has said he hates conformity. Those are hippies. Just because you look the part doesn't mean you don't like looking the part. What's this about blindly following a trend? That's what I find silly --- the accusation. Would you prefer they went the opposite way and bought pants that were a bit too big (look around on the subway, most people are wearing clothes that are too big) and shirt advertising GAP? would that then mean they weren't blindly following a trend? I'll take the original post as a joke, because if serious, it's selfdefeating. However, JAY B, ANDY ROONEY CALLED: HE WANTS HIS SHTICK BACK. -
The hipsters should get with the times and move into the pants at half mast group
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German Hermann it seems you are a hipster. I knew those tight jeans must cause people to get their knots in a bunch over silly nonsense. I, for one, have never seen anyone on the subway wearing pants that were too big and a shirt advertising GAP. There is no way people blindly follow this trend because it doesn't exist. Maybe you should start that trend up and be "cutting edge." You could be Williamsburg's next big thing.
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Dude, you are so stubborn. You really think that in the world of trend following the hipsters are the best example? For fuck's sake, how many albums did o-town sell? you think they were good? I'll take a trend following hipsters over any other trendster. anyday. und du kannst mein arsch lecken, Jay B. paDOW!
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I never said they were the best example. I know there are other examples of trend following. However, the topic is hipsters in this case. Sorry to offend you and your tight jeans. I see you're speaking other languages now. That's so hip. Did you know your picture is on the web? http://www.pixelfactor.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/hipster.jpg
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Yeah, exactly, Jay B. I'm talking about your first post, and the inherent mistake you made. They aren't trying to be different. They are people with a different aesthetic. They are a group of people all with the same aesthetic, which is different from the average aesthetic. Just like any other group. Which is why I fail to see the mystery you were wow'ed by in the first post. It's like being mystified by any group of people who have a taste-marker in common. By the way, that photo is so out of date. I've grown my hair out since then.
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Wow... I probably should have looked at the picture first. I had no clue that hipsters were people who wear http://www.naden.de/blog/bbvideo-bbpress-video-plugin --> WHOA... look at this dude... he got the members only jacket, but forgot the keffiyeh. what a douche bag.
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what's next - "yuppie" post? "ugg" or "crocs" posts revisted? wow - let's group a bunch of people together to judge and hate. seriously?
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there was a time when the precursor to the hipster was smaller in numbers, with much less of a media presence. the question for you tastemakers is what group is the new hipster? who are the current pissed off counterculture? are we going to see a generation of new republicans, annoyed and cynical about all the love and hope swelling in people's unironic faces?I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
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