I am in need of the image of the cop pepper-spraying the students last week. I don't know how to extract his image from the photobombs that are going around and I want to make my own. I figure this is a good place to find a creative person to help me out.
Please email me here.....thanks so much!
Thanks...I was actually able to do a half-decent job of pulling his image from another photo and created this.
Sort of photobombing a photobomb.
According to all the reports and detailed history of this cop now current available on the internet: He is a damn good cop.
I don't care how 'peaceful' these demonstrators are - the fact is, they are not supposed to be sitting where they are sitting. They were asked to move by the police and they refused.
On what planet have you been living where it is ok to refuse/ignore an 'order' from an officer of the law? Especially when you are CLEARLY in the wrong as these kids were.
Now, you want to protest, then go right ahead. I just don't want to hear you complain when you get sprayed by a rather benign substance instead of getting cracked in the head and dragged out by your thumbs.
The 1960s in me laughs at all of you.
This is what pepper spray did to an 81-year old woman - you can hardly call this benign. And you don't commit violence against peaceful protestors in this country. All I could think about when I saw those kids being sprayed is how I was thankful that cop wasn't doing it to MY kids, and how incensed their parents ought to be.
Maybe you agreed with Bull Connor when he attacked peaceful civil rights protestors with dogs?
Actually, the spraying of the 81 year, in addition being sensationalized to a level that can only be considered comical AND to the detriment of the entire movement, proves my point: SHE'S FINE!!!!
That Geezer is wearing a pepper spray facial - her eyes are wide open and she looks pretty damn ok to me.
Fine? Being carried away by two people? And she deserves to be denigrated as a "geezer"?
How about the students at UC Davis who had to be hospitalized?
An article from Time on the health hazards from pepper spraying - includes death from underlying health issues: "high-dose exposure to OC spray can produce "adverse cardiac, respiratory, and neurological effects, including arrhythmias and sudden death"; acute exposure also causes "nausea, fear and disorientation."
http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/22/how-painful-is-pepper-spray/
Somewhere along the way you seem to have lost your sense of humanity and/or compassion. I'm sorry for your loss.
DR, pepper spray is designed to be used as a non-lethal method to subdue an agressive or violent person. It was never intended to be used in an aggressive manner because someone didn't "listen". If the person is not being violent, or causing a threat, police are not supposed to be spraying people period.
That is why the cop in NY was punished for pepper spraying those women near Union Square at the OWS protest earlier this year, and why this highly respected cop is going to end up being the sacrificial lamb on the alter of "overzealous policing". Come on, it was a student gathering on the quad, not a OWS rally. Did the campus police have to show up in riot gear with batons? They could have simply offered free froyo and cookies from the caff and half the students would have moved on.
And if the media and cops had just walked away, they probably would have gotten the munchies and gone for pizza.
@DR So by your train of logic, it's ok to pepper spray your 6 year old if she refuses/ignores your "order" to eat her veggies?
Guys, you're arguments against me have not risen to the point of warranting a response. But I'm bored.
DanielJ, not sure how a 6 year olds eating habits compares to a college kids' refusal to obey a police order, but whatevers.
Homeowner, not sure where a products' 'intended' use ever factored into anything... ever. See: penicillin, Coca Cola, teflon, rubber, and about 10,000 other products. The fact is, cops have been pepper spraying people for awhile now...you can buy a bottle of it yourself and spray your dog if you want.
Not sure when you all became the authorities on proper police procedures. But thanks.
Seriously, pretend its a time before all the OWS...now, go try and sit in the middle of a street - or anywhere you should not be resting. Maybe at the subway turnstiles or in front of the doors to a of a mom and baby yoga class.
Then, when the cops come to haul your ass off you try to resist - or simply don't listen to them and sit still. Guaranteed you'd get sprayed - and nobody watching would give a shit. They'd applaud the peace officer for doing his job.
It's not the police officer's "job" to pepper spray people during a nonviolent protest, whether they're in the way or not. It's their job to use restraint.
DanielJ said:
It's not the police officer's "job" to pepper spray people during a nonviolent protest, whether they're in the way or not. It's their job to use restraint.
Ok... I'll be right over to "non-violently protest" on your doorstep this evening. Or how about I "non-violently protest" while taking bong hits in the bathroom of Starbucks...
Wait, wait, let me "non-violently protest" the metal detectors at John Jay HS... Sorry, I gotta go, I'm late for a "non-violent protest" regarding the opening of Citibank on 5th ave...
So, DR, it's only online that you have the courage to be a wiseass? You would never stand up (or sit down, as the case may be) for what you believe in, in real life?
DanielJ said:
It's not the police officer's "job" to pepper spray people during a nonviolent protest, whether they're in the way or not. It's their job to use restraint.
You seem to be suggesting that police should not get to do whatever they want to a person simply because the person is in violation of the law. In justice circles, this concept is often referred to as "proportionality". I.E. If a crime is being committed, the response of the police should be proportional to the crime being addressed.
You also seem to be implying that police officers should be held to the same standard as the rest of us. Like you and I, a police officer may not take an action simply because:
a. They really want to do it, and
b. They think they will get away with it.
In my mind, such practices would allow people to do things that may excite or annoy others, as long as they remain within the bounds of the law.
For example, in this country we believe that a woman should be able to wear a short skirt without fear of physical or sexual assault, even though it may excite or annoy nearby people (i.e. men). I will refer to this concept as "being legally responsible, even though you really wanted to do something you should not"
In this country, many people also believe that non-violent, law abiding protesters should be able to exist, even though their existence may in some way excite or annoy those nearby (i.e. police officers).
Both ideas "proportionality", and "being legally responsible, even though you really wanted to do something you should not" seem like laudable goals.
First this was students protesting a school they paid to attend so they were legally in their right to be there. Also these were CAMPUS police not state or city police. The police said they used the pepper spray because they felt threatened not because the students would not move. If you watch the video not ONE student raised a hand to these officers, and at one point the police officer bends down and speaks to a student and at another point he casually steps over the group sitting. Does that look threatening to you? These are campus police who see these students every day in a smaller setting than the police in NYC.
DR can't respond because I pepper sprayed him in the face for getting in between me and a waffle maker at walmart.
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