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My Dell desktop crapped out last night (or should I say the hard drive did). Anyway - it was time to upgrade anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for a computer? I would prefer a desktop. I like to burn CDs and DVDs, do some work with productivity software, send e-mail and surf the web. I'm not heavy into gaming or making movies. Any ideas? THANKS!
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iMac does everything you want, is easy to use, and comes with a built in camera. Test drive at the Apple store or at Best Buy (to name two).
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bohuma » iMac does everything you want, is easy to use, and comes with a built in camera. Test drive at the Apple store or at Best Buy (to name two).
This. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?mco=MTAyNTQzNjA Depending on your budget, you could also go with a Mac Mini if the iMac is too expensive, or a Mac Pro if you want the high end (although that sounds like overkill for what you currently need it for, it will be longer before it's obsolete). -
An iMac will indeed do all of the things you want. But to be honest, for what you're asking, any computer will do. Don't skimp on RAM (at least 4GB these days, but you can't really have too much), or hard drive space, since its so cheap now. Other than that, just pick an iMac (if you're going Apple) or a Dell in your price range. You're asking very little of your 'puter!
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Just fix a comfortable price range and take a look at what newegg.com, tigerdirect.com, and wherever else you like has to offer. I'd get something quad core to hold you for quite a while, and yes, go for the 4GB+ of RAM. Something like this would do you nicely - Core i5 650(3.2GHz), 6GB RAM, a terabyte of hard drive space, DVD-RW, keyboard, mouse, 64-bit Windows 7 = $700. That was just my first click, I'm sure there are even better deals out there. I like Acer, too, fwiw. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103265 Also been following these folks as of late and learned of some good deals - http://twitter.com/techbargains And geeks.com has some cheap setups as well.
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I agree with Toadette. Also, if you can afford a Mac, get one. They're the best built computers, most stable, with the best customer service, IMO. Otherwise, just decide on a price range and go from there.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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I'd stay away from the iMac. They're not upgradable and they seem to come with quirks. My quirk is the screen seems to crap out sporadically and literally needs a kick to get the screen back. I'd go with a dressed down Mac Pro. A dressed down Falcon Northwest if you want to go Windows."Clamato! Straight Up! No chasah!
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Idlewild » I'd stay away from the iMac. They're not upgradable and they seem to come with quirks. My quirk is the screen seems to crap out sporadically and literally needs a kick to get the screen back. I'd go with a dressed down Mac Pro. A dressed down Falcon Northwest if you want to go Windows.
Upgradeable how? You can put in more RAM. You mean increasing HD size? If one doesn't want a laptop, iMacs are incredibly useful for people like New Yorkers who have limited space/surface area. Not sure your anecdotal evidence holds up (not trying to be a jerk). Last year they had a problem with some monitors, but it's the only major problem they've had and it was fixed. I used an intel one for four years, and our whole art dept has them and they work great.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
Boygabriel » [quote="Idlewild"]I'd stay away from the iMac. They're not upgradable and they seem to come with quirks. My quirk is the screen seems to crap out sporadically and literally needs a kick to get the screen back. I'd go with a dressed down Mac Pro. A dressed down Falcon Northwest if you want to go Windows.
Upgradeable how? You can put in more RAM. You mean increasing HD size? If one doesn't want a laptop, iMacs are incredibly useful for people like New Yorkers who have limited space/surface area. Not sure your anecdotal evidence holds up (not trying to be a jerk). Last year they had a problem with some monitors, but it's the only major problem they've had and it was fixed. I used an intel one for four years, and our whole art dept has them and they work great.[/quote] In terms of MOBO and related RAM, you're pretty much stuck with what you get, The same thing with your video cards. Maybe I should have said "expandable"? I wanted to upgrade my RAM's speed but couldn't do it because the MOBO wouldn't accept it, and since the MOBO is proprietary I am stuck with that as well. And while iMacs are space savers, with a tower you have room to expand even at the cost of a square foot. Although, right now, looking at the specs for the current iMac, and these specs are very impressive, maybe my point is moot."Clamato! Straight Up! No chasah! -
Yeah, I mean it depends on your computing needs and how much upgrading you want to be able to do. If it's significant, then a tower or laptop makes more sense. Personally I just upgrade the RAM and I'm good to go.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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macs are just fancy paper weights :p for the artsy crowd. other wise get any pc for functionality and money savings.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Macs are overpriced and underpowered. Also - and this is a biggy - if you have used a PC your entire life, DO NOT get a mac. So many people I know have made this mistake and fell into the apple hype despite my warnings. They all came back saying how bad a mac is, how they cant do anything with it and how they paid so much $$$ for it and now it looks pretty. The only reason apple is where it is right now is not because of their computers (they were going under!). It's because of the ipod. Apple is known for ipods/iphones now. Computers secondary. You can get the equivalent of a $1000 mac for $500 on newegg or even bestbuy if you go PC. Although I dont recommend buying from Best Buy. newegg.com is something I swear buy. If you dont know which computer to buy, just read the reviews on the site.
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armchair_warrior » macs are just fancy paper weights :p for the artsy crowd. other wise get any pc for functionality and money savings.
PCs are neither more functional nor more cost-effective. Got anything else you want to pull out of your a--?Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
Boygabriel » [quote="armchair_warrior"]macs are just fancy paper weights :p for the artsy crowd. other wise get any pc for functionality and money savings.
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hitokiri » Macs are overpriced and underpowered. Also - and this is a biggy - if you have used a PC your entire life, DO NOT get a mac. So many people I know have made this mistake and fell into the apple hype despite my warnings. They all came back saying how bad a mac is, how they cant do anything with it and how they paid so much $$$ for it and now it looks pretty.
This is B.S. These people must be awful with technology. The platforms do the same exact thing, especially with regards to web/word processing/simple tasks. The only difference is that the buttons are in different corners and the start menu is the apple menu. It's all the same sh-t. I have a lot of friends who switched to Macs and did great.hitokiri » The only reason apple is where it is right now is not because of their computers (they were going under!). It's because of the ipod. Apple is known for ipods/iphones now. Computers secondary.
Apple's market share increased b/c of brand recognition, but it's illogical to extrapolate this to the idea that they don't make good computers.hitokiri » You can get the equivalent of a $1000 mac for $500 on newegg or even bestbuy if you go PC.
No, you can't. Macs are better built, last longer, and have better customer service. If $1000-1500 is out of your price range that's one thing, but to say you're not getting anything for the extra money is simply untrue.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
I would go to the Dell Outlet store online and have a look there. The prices are incredibly low. Assuming you already have a monitor, you can grab a new system with killer specs for $300-$400. I got a Dell 64-bit system with 4GB RAM/160GB harddrive/Dual-core 2.6GHz Pentium processor for $350.
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hitokiri » 100% incorrect I will start gathering proof while you make up a false reply as to why.
What on earth does "more functional" mean? PCs are not more cost effective when you take into account life expectancy and quality of product.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
example: The base apple macbook http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACBOOK-TECHNICAL+SPECIFICATIONS&cp=BUYNOW-MACBOOK-TECHNICAL+SPECIFICATIONS tech specs: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 2GB DDR3 memory 250GB hard drive1 8x double-layer SuperDrive NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics Built-in 10-hour battery2 Cost: $1000 ----------------------- Random notebook from newegg: Company - ACER (well known) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115817&cm_sp=NotebookDeal-_-34-115-817-_-07082010 Tech specs: Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit CPU Type Intel Core i5 430M(2.26GHz) Screen 15.6" Memory Size 4GB DDR3 Hard Disk 500GB Optical Drive DVD Super Multi Graphics Card Intel HD Communication Modem, Gigabit LAN and WLAN Battery Life 4.0 hours Dimensions 15.10" x 9.90" x 1.03" - 1.50" Weight 6.16 lbs. ---------- quick comparison: Acer- bigger screen better cpu larger harddrive more memory cheaper price (you tell me, you think a "10hr" battery is worth another $500? lol) Another computer: Dell Laptop Inspiron Edition: base model http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bncwjz2&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=laptop-inspiron-14 Tech specs: Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English Intel® Pentium® Dual Core™ T4500 (2.3GHz/800MHz FSB/1MB cache) Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis 720P Bright, Glossy, widescreen 14.0 inch WLED display 3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz Size: 320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM) Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD 8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) simplified: better processor (dont pay attention to the numbers. Its the type of processor) Larger hard drive larger screen (HD too) more memory $500
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I like both Mac and PC. It used to be I'd stick with PC's because it was a Windows world. I hated the OS', from '95 on up to XP. They were just plain harsh. I do like Windows 7. A lot! I don't have a 1/10 of the problems I used to have with the former platforms. With Mac, even though I like their OS and general stability (except for the screen thingy on my iMac), you didn't have the variety of software like you did with Windows. Hell, I still can't figure out why Entourage won't let you hyperlink. But now it seems a lot of software is being addressed to OS X. And you can't beat the graphics programs."Clamato! Straight Up! No chasah!
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Wait, hitokiri, that's your argument? Specs? This completely ignores the actual quality of product. This is like buying a Chrysler with lots of horsepower and then being shocked when it dies 10 years earlier than a similar Toyota and you have to buy a new car while I'm still driving my Honda which costs more but lasts longer. So as I stated 10 posts ago: In terms of cost-effectiveness over the life of the machine, quality of product, stability of OS, viruses and customer service, Macs are better. In terms of entry-level cost, PCs are better. It's really a question of what you can afford. If you can afford $1200 on a new computer, Macs are the best you can buy.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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"Boygabriel” » This is B.S. These people must be awful with technology. The platforms do the same exact thing, especially with regards to web/word processing/simple tasks. The only difference is that the buttons are in different corners and the start menu is the apple menu. It's all the same sh-t.
hitokiri » You can get the equivalent of a $1000 mac for $500 on newegg or even bestbuy if you go PC.
"Boygabriel” » No, you can't. Macs are better built, last longer, and have better customer service. If $1000-1500 is out of your price range that's one thing, but to say you're not getting anything for the extra money is simply untrue.
See above post for whiplash"Boygabriel” » PCs are not more cost effective when you take into account life expectancy and quality of product.
Life expentancy? Serious? That is based on the user and how they take care of their computers. My fiancé has a mac book and it it literally falling apart. The plastic shell is cracking AND she takes care of it too. I bought her a nice case for it. I have 3 pc laptops and 2 desktops (one I just built this Christmas) The laptops are virtually brand new ad run great and the desktop is the same. The desktop is nearing 5 yrs old. One laptop is the same. However, how long do YOU expect to have a computer for? 5 yrs is the MAX. Any computer older than that is outdated and needs to get replaced. Mac and PC alike. The day you buy it, it’s already old news. So lets do the math. $500 every 5 years for a base PC that has better stats than a base mac or $1000 for a weaker mac…and have it for 10 yrs. Macs pwn mah world ;p NOT -
Your anecdotes are great, but sadly worthless. If you think most PCs are as well built with the same quality as Macs, I don't know what to tell you.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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Boygabriel » Wait, hitokiri, that's your argument? Specs? This completely ignores the actual quality of product. This is like buying a Chrysler with lots of horsepower and then being shocked when it dies 10 years earlier than a similar Toyota and you have to buy a new car while I'm still driving my Honda which costs more but lasts longer. So as I stated 10 posts ago: In terms of cost-effectiveness over the life of the machine, quality of product, stability of OS, viruses and customer service, Macs are better. In terms of entry-level cost, PCs are better. It's really a question of what you can afford. If you can afford $1200 on a new computer, Macs are the best you can buy.
ok...i see how it is. An apple fanboy. There is no arguing with one. Do you agree with Steve Jobs in that you are holding the new iphone4 the wrong way? lol First off…comparing a car to a computer? Really? And your comparison isn’t even accurate. You took 1 aspect of a car and compared it to.. well nothing. You didn’t even say anything and just spouted nonsense. Computers are not a 1 comparison deal. There are lots to consider. The LEAST being manfucaturing. While apple has a nice new full aluminum casing…that’s all they got that makes them special. But it was to save on costs for them. And again, what proof do you have that the OS is more stable than windows? 10x more companies write programs for windows. 20x more companies use PC’s over MACS. Customer service is another lie. You CANNOT compare customer service to a PC since MAC is a single entity and Windows is an operating system. DELL has great customer service! HP sucks ass. I think Dell has better customer service than Apple. As for customer service, the apple stores are the only stores who REFUSE to work on computers that have been around smokers. Great service! If macs were nearly as popular as PC’s, then they would have virus problems too (and btw, the first few viruses for macs have come down the pipes.) As for stable, doesn’t Steve Jobs say the “only time” a Mac crashes is when Flash in installed? Really? Funny how such a stable OS crashes with such a simple program and windows works fine. You are just stating claims with no backup. “It's really a question of what you can afford. If you can afford $1200 on a new computer, Macs are the best you can buy.” Now lets add…if you want to spend $1200 on a computer that gives you a fraction of what other computers give you. $1200 for a brand name and a good look with nothing under the hood. Great. Thats being smart with money ~_~ -
Boygabriel » Your anecdotes are great, but sadly worthless. If you think most PCs are as well built with the same quality as Macs, I don't know what to tell you.
again, the way a computer is built is not the only deciding factor. And it seems their manufacturing process is your only thread of logic in this, so you really have no ground to stand on. You are grasping at straws. it was pretty funny when you said "that's your argument? Specs?" lol Why WOULDNT be it an argument for computers? Even cars! -
Boygabriel » It's really a question of what you can afford. If you can afford $1200 on a new computer, Macs are the best you can buy.
and just for the icing on the cake. Sice the user is looking for a desktop, here is what $1200 can buy you if you go PC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227266 ibuypower is a well known company with great build quality and customization options (hense the fancy casing) Now this is a gaming rig, something the OP does not need. But holy crap does it blow away any apple computer for the same price. stats: Processor Intel Core i7 930(2.80GHz) Processor Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor Memory 12GB (2GB x 6) DDR3 1333 Hard Drive 1TB SATAII Optical Drive 1 24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTS250 1GB Audio Sound card - Integrated Ethernet 10/100/1000 Mbps Power Supply 700W Keyboard iBUYPOWER USB Deluxe Keyboard Mouse iBUYPOWER USB Mouse Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Special Features PSI CyborgX Gaming Tower Motherboard Chipset Intel X58 CPU CPU Type Intel Core i7 Installed Qty 1 CPU Speed 930(2.8GHz) CPU Socket Type LGA 1366 CPU Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor Graphics GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16 Memory Memory Capacity 12GB DDR3 Memory Speed DDR3 1333 Form Factor DIMM 240-pin Memory Spec 2GB x 6 Memory Slot (Total) 6 Memory Slot (Available) 0 Maximum Memory Supported 24GB Hard Drive HDD Capacity 1TB HDD Interface SATA II quick summary: without getting too technical, everything in those stats are 3 -5x greater than macs AND the build quality is super. -
hitokiri » ok...i see how it is. An apple fanboy. There is no arguing with one.
Careful now. Deal with the points I make, don't bother with labeling me, thanks. That's called ad hominem and it's the sign of a weak argument.You took 1 aspect of a car and compared it to.. well nothing.
No, I used horsepower as a parallel to specs. Take a car's specs and compare it to another car, and you're still ignoring the quality of the car itself. See how that parallel works?hitokiri » The LEAST being manfucaturing.
Wait, really? The quality of production and craftsmanship of what you're buying doesn't matter? Ok.10x more companies write programs for windows. 20x more companies use PC’s over MACS.
There are a lot of reasons for this, which we can discuss if you'd like.Customer service is another lie. You CANNOT compare customer service to a PC since MAC is a single entity and Windows is an operating system. DELL has great customer service! HP sucks ass. I think Dell has better customer service than Apple.
It's nice what you think, but consumer studies regularly rank Apple far ahead of the rest. Apple cust. service is better than ANY PC company. "Apple has been consistently ranked number one in product reliability and customer support by Consumer Reports, and for good reason. " - http://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-an-Apple-Macintosh-and-Other-PCshttp://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-an-Apple-Macintosh-and-Other-PCsIf macs were nearly as popular as PC’s, then they would have virus problems too (and btw, the first few viruses for macs have come down the pipes.) Doesn’t Steve Jobs say the “only time” a Mac crashes is when Flash in installed? Really? Funny how such a stable OS crashes with such a simple program and windows works fine. You are just stating claims with no backup.
No, I'm not, article, after article, after article shows that Macs are better built, with better customer service. You've shared nothing but useless personal anecdotes.$1200 for a brand name and a good look with nothing under the hood. Great. Thats being smart with money ~_~
dumb and false exaggerationAnd it seems their manufacturing process is your only thread of logic in this, so you really have no ground to stand on. You are grasping at straws.
No, I've listed lots of things Macs are better at. You just don't agree.it was pretty funny when you said "that's your argument? Specs?" lol Why WOULDNT be it an argument for computers? Even cars!
because the quality of what you're buying matters, not just how big or fast it is. At this point I think you're willfully ignoring this point.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
Boygabriel » Careful now. Deal with the points I make, don't bother with labeling me, thanks. That's called ad hominem and it's the sign of a weak argument.
Just stating factsNo, I used horsepower as a parallel to specs. Take a car's specs and compare it to another car, and you're still ignoring the quality of the car itself.
Again, ignoring the fact that you are using 1 aspect when computers AND cars are a multi aspect product. Poor argument/comparison on your part and you are just avoiding facts. “See how that parallel works?”Wait, really? The quality of production and craftsmanship of what you're buying doesn't matter? Ok.
I never said doesn’t. I said the least in terms of computers. Don’t put words into my mouth.10x more companies write programs for windows. 20x more companies use PC’s over MACS. There are a lot of reasons for this, which we can discuss if you'd like.
Macs suck. End of that discussion Customer service is another lie. You CANNOT compare customer service to a PC since MAC is a single entity and Windows is an operating system. DELL has great customer service! HP sucks ass. I think Dell has better customer service than Apple.
It's nice what you think, but consumer studies regularly rank Apple far ahead of the rest. Apple cust. service is better than ANY PC company. "Apple has been consistently ranked number one in product reliability and customer support by Consumer Reports, and for good reason. " - http://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-an-Apple-Macintosh-and-Other-PCshttp://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-an-Apple-Macintosh-and-Other-PCshttp://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2009/tc20090415_602968_page_2.htm » article[/url], after article, after article shows that Macs are better built, with better customer service. You've shared nothing but useless personal anecdotes.
Funny that 2006 article seems to bash macs for their high price and underpowered stats. (I would joke about the date of the article, but the same is true now) They don’t go into detail as to why the other computers went into repair or the factor that much more people have PC’s over macs. Example: 20,000 people have PCs 5,000 have macs. You will see more people having PC problems. It’s inevitable. Look at the article yourself. Its Compaq, Dell, eMachines, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Sony, and Toshiba vs a Mac lol 8 companies vs 1 company$1200 for a brand name and a good look with nothing under the hood. Great. Thats being smart with money ~_~ dumb and false exaggeration.
i've already stated my examples. But you can keep ignoring facts.And it seems their manufacturing process is your only thread of logic in this, so you really have no ground to stand on. You are grasping at straws No, I've listed lots of things Macs are better at. You just don't agree. .
No… you haven’t. You have mentioned horsepower on a car and a solid case. lolit was pretty funny when you said "that's your argument? Specs?" lol Why WOULDNT be it an argument for computers? Even cars! because the quality of what you're buying matters, not just how big or fast it is. At this point I think you're willfully ignoring this point.
um…no. I have confronted it dead on. You are just ignoring valid points to support something that obviously isn’t worth the money. If apple dropped the price about $400, then I would say it’s a good competition. -
Boygabriel » [quote="armchair_warrior"]macs are just fancy paper weights :p for the artsy crowd. other wise get any pc for functionality and money savings.
PCs are neither more functional nor more cost-effective. Got anything else you want to pull out of your a--?[/quote] i didn't read any replies after this, here is a simple thing, macs are build on pc platform the x86 chips :). so they lost the war. you're just over paying for a os. under the mac its a pc.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Macs are expensive, a point I actually made before you did. PCs give you more specs for your dollar, a point I never actually disputed. Macs have higher quality parts and require less repair (See the multiple articles I linked or google 1,000 more). Macs regularly rate higher in customer service (See the multiple articles I linked or google 1,000 more).Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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armchair_warrior » i didn't read any replies after this, here is a simple thing, macs are build on pc platform the x86 chips :). so they lost the war. you're just over paying for a os. under the mac its a pc.
Then why do Macs require so much less repair? All brands are not made equal, my friend.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
you on crack? pc parts are by far much cheaper and same parts as macs LOL. they'll label things as macs for say simplicity sakes say a dvd drive. the mac one would cost more than the pc one, yet its the same damn thing, they just charge more for mac parts.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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I'm a hardware guy, I touch both pc and mac pc's. yes they are now mac os on a pc platform for those of you don't know. thats why pc parts are much cheaper because there are more users and don't have a mac label attach but you can use pc parts in a "mac". anyway you can always build you own high end mac http://lifehacker.com/321913/build-a-hackintosh-mac-for-under-800Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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So why do Macs break so much less?Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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Boygabriel » So why do Macs break so much less?
its not the platform(x86 platform) its the users and virus writers. mac users are mostly artist and architects and other fad obsessed crowd. still makes up a tiny number mac(uses a x86 platform now) than the windows(was the orginal users of x86 platform), so less problems. when you have a larger number of users you'll have more problems. most virus writers and other hackers when they go after something with huge numbers, its like asking girls out, if you ask a million i'm sure there would be one to say yes. Its done by the numbers. they'll target the windows market. I'll use windows instead cause a pc is both a mac,windows, linux and other os now days. mac lost the war along time ago and switch few years back to a pc platform aka hardware.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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they lost the war? .....this is like saying Pepsi "lost the war" against Coke. Despite the fact that Pepsi has millions of loyal drinkers and is hugely profitable for the company.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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But surely viruses don't explain a majority of break downs and computer repairs.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org
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whynot_31 » they lost the war? .....this is like saying Pepsi "lost the war" against Coke. Despite the fact that Pepsi has millions of loyal drinkers and is hugely profitable for the company.
they lost the hardware war, why are they on the same platform now? they are using standard commodity parts now. its like pepsi using coke drink but with a pespi label.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Boygabriel » But surely viruses don't explain a majority of break downs and computer repairs.
its the same freaking parts inside man!!!! its by the numbers!! the more people you have the more chances something will break. there are over a billion windows vs few million macs. both on a pc platform.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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the reason pc won the war is simple it was a open system vs mac's close system. all the innovation was done for the pc not the mac because anyone can make pc parts, with the old mac you couldn't, only apple allow who they wanted to build for them. with competition the pc have better graphics etc....and after a long time few years back mac went to x86 platform.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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but AW, your argument seems to state the only difference is the operating system. ...which (as most agree) can be run on a PC or Macs Clearly the designs are different... one has a built in camera. one has a smaller foot print. one has a nicer keyboard. one has a nicer mouse one has a nicer tech support person yada yada a lot of folks seem to beleive you get what you pay for, and -um- decide to pay for Macs. so, we are debating an operating systemFor better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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whynot_31 » but AW, your argument seems state the only difference is the operating system. ...which (as most agree) can be run on a PC or Macs Clearly the designs are different... one has a built in camera. one has a smaller foot print. one has a nicer keyboard. one has a nicer mouse one has a nicer tech support person yada yada a lot of folks seem to beleive you get what you pay for, and -um- decide to pay for Macs. so, we are debating an operating system
alot of you guys are confusing windows with the pc!!! windows is built on the x86 aka pc platform, so are macs now days also built on the same platform. stick to the os and you won't hear me talk. other wise any stupidity about oh how inferior the pc is etc.. is total bs.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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AW, ALL of the things I mention are better on a Mac ....not just the OS. Yes, they are more expensive.For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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oh i hate those mac commercials, they confuse the pc with the windows os. last statement from me linux,windows,mac all are on the pc~~~!!!!Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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whynot_31 » AW, ALL of the things I mention are better on a Mac ....not just the OS. Yes, they are more expensive.
not better please name any hardcore gamer who would use a mac os in gaming LOL. its what you pay for, if people pay for a cheap system they gonna get cheap components, if they pay for high end stuff, they gonna get high end goods.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else....not that there's anything wrong with that.
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http://www.sharkyextreme.com/news/index.php haven't build my own high end gaming pc in a while. too lazy and cost way too much. that site is a good site to check up what other people are using on their pc gaming systems. and if you're lazy they also list prices for parts etc.. weekly so you know you're not over paying for parts.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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armchair_warrior » its the same freaking parts inside man!!!! its by the numbers!! the more people you have the more chances something will break. there are over a billion windows vs few million macs. both on a pc platform.
Trust me, when a responsible study says that other manufacturers fail more than Apple, they take into account the size of the pool they're drawing from. I believe you that all the original parts come from the same place, but I don't think it's true that the only thing that explains why macs break less is because of viruses.Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
WhyFi » I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else.
Can you shed any light on my questions then? Why do Macs do so well in comparison studies of breakdown & repair rates?Spend a buck, light a number for one the 400,000 victims in Darfur: darfurwall.org -
Boygabriel » [quote="WhyFi"]I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else.
Can you shed any light on my questions then? Why do Macs do so well in comparison studies of breakdown & repair rates?[/quote] lol like all things depends on how much they paid their subcontractors and what type of components used. When i work for a living, i had money to build my own gaming pc's they run well and are fined tune rarely have a problem, i update their dirvers and everything very often. when i buy a mass marketed pc on the other hand, it comes prepackage with crap built in useless programs hogging resources and other things. it was built with everyone in mind with everything in it. that most users don't use, they try to cover the range of all users. thats where most problems come from the components where they are sourced and crap they crammed in for the generic user. many moons ago some girl on the message board needed someone to replace a dvd drive on her mac, i ask her how much she paid for the "mac" part. she over paid. any drive would of done the job but her buying that "mac" label part cost more.Fight white guilt and injustice by smoking tax free guilt free Reservation Smokes or go gamble in a Native Casino.
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Boygabriel » [quote="WhyFi"]I'm not even going to bother reading all of the shit-slinging in this thread, but I will confirm what AW says (I'm a hardware guy, too) - Macs are built on the same platform as PCs, now. Gone are the days of the IBM Power PC Macs. Mac doesn't build any of their own stuff, they source it elsewhere, like everyone else, and from the same places as everyone else.
Can you shed any light on my questions then? Why do Macs do so well in comparison studies of breakdown & repair rates?[/quote] Better components and attention to quality and specs from same manufacturers? ....Lexus ---> Toyota ....Acura ---> Honda Honda and Toyota compete with each other in Class A Quality and price war (one in which consumers value price and quality equally). Lexus and Acura compete with each other for a different market segment "Class B" (one in which consumers value quality more than price) In this analogy, Mac operates in the "class B" world .....only it doesn't seem to have a competitor. (gamers are the equivalent of people who want pick-up trucks. A large market, but one that neither Lexus or Acura really wants to be in)For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.
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