sunset park vs the area west of LIC between hunterspoint ave and green point ave

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armchair_warrior
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I always thought it was called hunters point. I see on some maps they label it sunny side and called long island city hunters point. IR confuse.

Anyway what do you guys think which place is better candidate for gentrification :p.

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# Posted 3 mos ago
PragmaticGuy
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Well, they both have their pros and cons. Sunnyside is more residential while L.I.C. is more business. Citicorp has their building there, which is the tallest building outside of Manhattan. Other businesses are there too. There's also a few swingers and "gentlemen's" clubs there. L.I.C. used to be very seedy but not so much anymore. The train station was redone when Citicorp built there because they were afraid that their employees would get mugged walking the few blocks to it. So there was a tunnel built so they wouldn't have to go outside. My bet would be on Sunnyside only because it's more residential. Years ago, there used to be a place called Sunnyside Gardens which was where most WWF wrestling events were held and they were broadcast on Channel 9 on Saturday nights. Hulk Hogan started out there.

# Posted 3 mos ago
whynot_31
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LIC is booming.

...lots of new market rate condos and rentals being built.

However, there is still no real supermarket or drug store.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 3 mos ago
The Psycho-ologist
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My bet is on LIC. As a Sunset park resident, although I see occasional "hip" people, there are too many very entrenched families and businesses of Latino descent to promote massive gentrification, although I wonder about the area just around the 36 street express train stop.

I like the fact that gentrification hasn't hit here. I'd rather go out to my "entertainment" than have it drunkenly stand and scream at the bar below my window, run me over with a doublewide baby stroller, or charge me 9 dollars for a sandwich, because its RSBt free and organic, rather than horse meat!

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I can still hop on the train wearing my gothic best and dance the night away drunkenly in someone else's backyard.
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# Posted 3 mos ago
Ben
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The Psycho-ologist said:
although I see occasional "hip" people, there are too many very entrenched families and businesses of Latino descent to promote massive gentrification

One could have said the same thing about Bushwick not too long ago...

Check out this article that came out today in the observer: http://commercialobserver.com/2013/02/the-sun-also-rises-sunset-parks-booming-artisanal-economy/

Change is happening in Sunset Park, not sure how long it will take but it looks like it is definitely happening.

# Posted 3 mos ago
Jack Krohn
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I think Sunnyside and LIC will gentrify sooner than Sunset Park. I've been out in Sunnyside a few times - lots of bars and restaurants filled with young hipsters, so the process is well underway.

# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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Does everyone think whoever becomes the new mayor will be able to continue to attract new businesses, and thus relatively high earning people who want to live in the city?

New York's success at attracting and maintaining a tax base seems surreal when compared to many American cities....

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 2 mos ago
booklaw
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I don't think that attracting new business is entirely within any mayor's control. Don't state income and other taxes, and waivers therof, play an equally important role in attracting or discouraging businesses to/from New York City?

And then, of course, there is the City Council, which also plays an important role in setting property tax rates and in other tax determinations.

# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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They certainly do.

And, the pundits constantly argue whether Bloomberg was successful as a result of the factors present during his administration, or despite them.

Others, of course, feel the city improved despite him.

..And others, feel the success could have been achieved via different means.

I am certain the new Mayor will be at disadvantage simply because s/he does not have the resource$ to replace cuts in city funding with anonymous donations.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 2 mos ago
booklaw
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# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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Booklaw made a cultural reference I had to google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_(TV_series)

There are, of course, other ticking time bombs awaiting the new mayor. One of the biggest is the numerous city employee union contracts which have yet to be renewed.

Basically, these contracts have not been renewed, and most unions have chosen to work without any COLAs since their expiration because fighting Bloomberg is a bad idea (see recent school bus driver strike).

However, once the contracts are renewed by the new mayor, the COLAs will be retroactive. This will cause a huge budget impact, resulting in greater taxes or a deficit.

As a result of being collectively annoyed, the unions are doing something that hasn't been seen in quite sometime: They are getting along with each other, and forming a block that just might influence who our new mayor becomes ...as opposed to being a mere irritant.

However, I hope they aren't expecting too much from whomever they choose. ....the business community has gotten used to "good treatment" (aka low taxes) under Bloomberg, and aren't going to simply give in because there is a new mayor.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 2 mos ago
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whynot_31 said:
Does everyone think whoever becomes the new mayor will be able to continue to attract new businesses, and thus relatively high earning people who want to live in the city?

New York's success at attracting and maintaining a tax base seems surreal when compared to many American cities....

The key won't be to keep these businesses coming... that's a given. The key will be to keep the city functioning as the income gap grows and the non-high income people get pushed further and further out.

I am in Charlotte NC now with my wife as she has a job interview here... every black person I've talked to here has moved from somewhere else, and many have moved from the NE. NE is getting to the point that if you are not a 6 figure individual the long term prospects of staying are unreasonable. I know a few people who walked away from good jobs to relocate. If wifey gets this I will bounce in a heartbeat.

So the issue isn't retaining the rich, NYC will always be rich. But to a large degree it seems to be rich at the expense of the working poor, which the city needs to function. People are gonna start commuting from the Poconos at this rate. The people in charge need to reverse that trend.

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# Posted 2 mos ago
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Its true that Bloomie treated businesses well, but many of them have made investments that forbid them from leaving. I think some trading floors just had some fiber optic lines built so their trades could be nanoseconds instead of microseconds. Plus I know some of these people. They love coming down from CT and paying eyewatering property taxes, no matter how much they claim to protest. A wholesale move of say, NYC's financial hub, is just not in the cards. So if the next mayor wants to turn the screws, he/she definitely could, and IMO should. NYC provides the backdrop for these companies to profit, and so they should pay just as high a % of income as the little guys.

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# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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CTK-
I'm with you: The city's long term risk is a situation in which the income gap crows so large that parts of it become ungovernable.

A lot attention seems to be focused on the poor and the endemic problems associated with the traditional "ungovernable" ghettos.

...I'd like more attention to be paid to the "ungovernable" risk posed by the rich. Bascially, the wealthy parts could become so powerful that they thwart any attempt to tax or regulate them.

I do think the next mayorship is pretty pivotal. Poor people and rich people are something we want to balance ...we face big problems if either group becomes too numerous or too powerful.

By attracting and retaining the number of rich people, Bloomberg has maintained the city. It is unclear whether the next mayor will have the ability to keep either class from taking over.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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whynot_31 said:
LIC is booming.

...lots of new market rate condos and rentals being built.

However, there is still no real supermarket or drug store.

A supermarket is on its way!

http://www.licspot.com/2013/02/26/new-15000-sq-ft-supermarket-to-open-in-lic/

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 2 mos ago
whynot_31
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The press and realtors are co-writing articles!

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130407/REAL_ESTATE/304079982

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

# Posted 1 mo ago
whynot_31
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And, to complete the news cycle, The Nation has declared that the re-development of LIC and other neighborhoods is the result of forces that are undemocratic!

Development is not the result of small, independent actors. It is the result of (...wait for it...) the 1%!

http://www.thenation.com/article/173867/how-one-percent-rules?page=0,1

The Nation is sooo predictable. That is part of why I love it. It is like going to McDonald's, you know exactly what you are going to get.

For better or worse, the change on Nostrand is going to make the change on Franklin look minor.

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