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mmello

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 6:40 pm EST     Reply with quote

I'm moving soon to Underhill AV x Dean St. I would like to know more about the hood. I have a 4 month baby and I was worried about schools, I didn't hear good things about PS 9. Are there moms and babies around? What is the other school option instead PS 9? Is it a safe place?

I'm coming from Bay Ridge and lived before in windsor terrace, I know PH is very different from those 2 hoods. Is this block nice?

Thanks

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 9:10 pm EST     Reply with quote

There are moms and babies all over the neighborhood. That corner is not as busy as most, but do have Tavern on Dean - which is a decent and nice place to eat. I am not a big fan of tots, but the folks at the Tavern treat them well and will provide small portions for kids.

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 9:28 pm EST     Reply with quote

there was some talk about it here
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32664

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 9:30 pm EST     Reply with quote

are u moving to the washington by any chance? which unit? we're deciding whether to purchase there and are sooooo torn. thoughts???

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 11:11 pm EST     Reply with quote

Hi and welcome! I think the area you have moved to is beautiful. I walked the stretch of Underhill from Dean toward the park almost every day during my maternity leave and always thought it was lovely.

I haven't done a lot of research into public schools as our daughter is still quite young [haven't heard great things either though] but I can tell you that we split toddler activites between Park Slope and Prospect Heights, and there is tons to do in both neighborhoods.

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Post Tue Jan 30, 07 11:22 pm EST     Reply with quote

Hi wytopick

I'm moving to 35 Underhill. I'm not buying, I'm renting, I liked the apt a lot, the common area andthe gym is really nice!

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 1:02 am EST     Reply with quote

wytopick, why are you torn? perhaps i can help you settle your decision...

thanks,

mmello, which unit are you renting? A or B?
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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 10:37 am EST     Reply with quote

ltjukem- torn b/c of the block, the distance to the subways we take most often, the schools, the appreciation of the property considering atlantic yards will be about a block away etc.
thoughts?
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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 10:52 am EST     Reply with quote

AY is going to be bad, but you are at the far end of it. The street is obviously better than the ones to the east and not as nice as those towards Flatbush. It is definitely a quiet, out of the way kind of bloc with working class type of housing. (Those low income buildings across the street.) This has its pluses and minuses. You are close to Atlantic which is good if you drive. There are few stores, you have to go one block in either direction. The subway is maybe 4 to 5 blocks.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 11:29 am EST     Reply with quote

phmimi wrote:
Those low income buildings across the street.


What street are you talking about?

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 11:55 am EST     Reply with quote

must be dean btwn vandy and underhill, right?

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 12:00 pm EST     Reply with quote

AY is going to be bad, but you are at the far end of it. The street is obviously better than the ones to the east and not as nice as those towards Flatbush. It is definitely a quiet, out of the way kind of bloc with working class type of housing. (Those low income buildings across the street.) This has its pluses and minuses. You are close to Atlantic which is good if you drive. There are few stores, you have to go one block in either direction. The subway is maybe 4 to 5 blocks.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 1:32 pm EST     Reply with quote

wytopick wrote:
must be dean btwn vandy and underhill, right?


No those are private homes and not low income so are the ones on Underhill between Dean and Bergen.

I absolutely love this part of Underhill. I live on Underhill between Dean and Bergen. The walk to the stations are not as bad as you think (2/3 at Bergen (3 blocks) and Flatbush, Q/B at Flatbush and Sterling, (5 blocks) and C at Washington and Fulton (3 blocks). I feel totally safe in this area. and feel safe about my child playing outside.

As for schools I must stress that you take a look at PS 9. It really is a wonderful school and the principal is really making big changes there. We have a great little park (which is under construction and set to open this spring) on Underhill and Prospect. There are plenty of babies around. Prospect Heights also has a Prospect Heights Parents Yahoo Group. There is also a Park Slope Parents group which has really, really great information. There is also Singing for Aardvarks which takes place at Soda (the bar on Vanderbilt between St. Marks and Prospect) I know lots of the parents on this board take their small kids to it. And of course the Brooklyn Children's Museum is very close by. There are also great options for sit down and delivery places around here.

Welcome to the neighborhood! I guarantee you will enjoy it!

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 1:46 pm EST     Reply with quote

I live here...so, it's a good neighborhood. Wink
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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 2:26 pm EST     Reply with quote

I think I'm renting tower A 2nd floor. My question is why AY is going to be bad?

Also, from that block, the C train is close, only 0.30 miles. 2 and 3 is not that close but still an option. I was only concearned about schools and safety, as I read a lot of roberry and rape cases.

Where do moms hang out with the babies on that area?

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 2:36 pm EST     Reply with quote

mmello wrote:
I think I'm renting tower A 2nd floor. My question is why AY is going to be bad?

Also, from that block, the C train is close, only 0.30 miles. 2 and 3 is not that close but still an option. I was only concearned about schools and safety, as I read a lot of roberry and rape cases.

Where do moms hang out with the babies on that area?


Where did you read about rape cases?? Question
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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 2:52 pm EST     Reply with quote

I live on Underhill btw Dean and Bergen too -- hi neighbors and neighbor-to-be! I love our block, especially with the friendliness of Tavern on Dean and Purity on the intersection, and the grade school just to the south. Aside from the Tav getting a little noisy on the weekends, it's a quiet, pleasant block. I rarely get hassled on the streets, and aside from a non-violent purse snatching back in 2003 down the street, I've never dealt with anyone particularly sketchy.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 2:53 pm EST     Reply with quote

Shredder are you on the side of the school? Im the green house across the street Smile

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 3:01 pm EST     Reply with quote

Yeah, I am on the even side (school side). Funny to live somewhere for over 4 years and barely know your neighbors (because we are without stoop or yard, alas). I moved in when that whole block of apartments went up in 2002.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 3:07 pm EST     Reply with quote

I know what you mean Smile Say hi next time so we can properly introduce ourselves and then you will know more neighbors Wink

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 3:09 pm EST     Reply with quote

We live on Underhill and St Marks. The neighborhood is great. We moved here 3 1/2 years ago from Plaza St. We have a 3 yr old. The neighborhood is literally crawling with kids.

Tavern on Dean is great on Underhill.
Gen for Japanese on Washington and St Marks.
On Vanderbilt Le Gamin is very child friendly and Soda Bar hosts Music for Aarvarks (infant to 4yr old music classes)
The playground on Underhill and Prospect should be reopening very soon after a renovation. It is also close to Mt Prospect playground, the museum, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, and the Library. My daughter is usually hanging out at one of these places.
The 2/3 train at GAP is about a 5-7 minute walk from my house and the B/Q is really about the same. The Bergen St stop on the 2/3 is also pretty close to you.

I believe that you will see a lot more positive feedback on ps9 in the next year or so. A number of neighborhood kids have started to attend and more are plannning for next year and the year after. A number of parents of future students have gotten involved to work on a committee to redo the playground at the school. It is huge and underutilized. Also, the last reviews on the school are almost 4 years old. Things are changing quickly. I really wouldn't worry about it if you are moving now with an infant.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 3:57 pm EST     Reply with quote

i think i need to start making bogus posts about i-pod muggings and registed sex offenders in the neighborhood - to try and keep my rent somewhat affordable, to be able to occasionally find a seat at joyce, to not have to listen to whiney kids everywhere...

sorry, grumpy.

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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 5:04 pm EST     Reply with quote

OMG! Did you guys hear about the sex offender that was robbed of his iPod?! He tried to scream for help but he was choking on a dry scone from a local bakery!
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Post Wed Jan 31, 07 9:05 pm EST     Reply with quote

WhyFi wrote:
OMG! Did you guys hear about the sex offender that was robbed of his iPod?! He tried to scream for help but he was choking on a dry scone from a local bakery!


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Post Thu Feb 01, 07 3:15 pm EST     Reply with quote

By the time your little one is ready for PreK, PS9 may actually be a lot better than it is today. Supposedly the prinicpal is great and parental involvement is increasing. There are lots of moms and babies (and dads too!) around during the day. That Underhill playground will be great once it's done. You should get yourself on the ProspectHeightsParents yahoo group for more info on what to do in the nabe (also ParkSlopeParents which has much more info, more than you really need actually). I know there is a new parent/baby meeting going on at Cheryl's Cafe on Thursdays and maybe also on weekends at Soda (for working parents). Welcome to the neighborhood, it's great. We can't live the way we want to with 2 little kids here so we're moving this year, but I think it is great for new parents (and not-so-new ones, if you can afford the space).

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Post Fri Feb 02, 07 12:35 am EST     Reply with quote

xueling wrote:
By the time your little one is ready for PreK, PS9 may actually be a lot better than it is today. Supposedly the prinicpal is great and parental involvement is increasing. There are lots of moms and babies (and dads too!) around during the day. That Underhill playground will be great once it's done. You should get yourself on the ProspectHeightsParents yahoo group for more info on what to do in the nabe (also ParkSlopeParents which has much more info, more than you really need actually). I know there is a new parent/baby meeting going on at Cheryl's Cafe on Thursdays and maybe also on weekends at Soda (for working parents). Welcome to the neighborhood, it's great. We can't live the way we want to with 2 little kids here so we're moving this year, but I think it is great for new parents (and not-so-new ones, if you can afford the space).
What you mean with "we can't live the way we want to with 2 kids here?" Isn't it good for kids?

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Post Fri Feb 02, 07 9:00 am EST     Reply with quote

Sorry, yes, it is. I just mean that personally for us it's not working (not just the neighborhood, the city in general). We'd like to have a home where we can live without tripping over toys all the time, a backyard, close to family etc, and we need more $$$ than we have now to be able to do that. We're moving overseas where hopefully the lifestyle will be a little more relaxed. My husband is tired of the ratrace and I'm tired of feeling like a single mom during the week!

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I have been here since 1984, i arrived when i was 7 years old, when there was crack everywhere, when there were burnt out buildings all over the hood, i wnet to the public schhols and i believe that my experience was no better than the kids in Park Slope, so you are worried about schools for your 4 month old baby, you have about 5 more years til your kid goes to school, remember this neighborhood is not as it used to be 20 years ago, i think what you are trying to say is that you do not want your kid to go to school with a bunch of poor kids that go to our local schools, there are plenty of private schools in park slope where your child will be shielded from the realities of Prospect heights and the world in general so good luck!!!
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I have been here since 1984, i arrived when i was 7 years old, when there was crack everywhere, when there were burnt out buildings all over the hood, i wnet to the public schhols and i believe that my experience was no better than the kids in Park Slope, so you are worried about schools for your 4 month old baby, you have about 5 more years til your kid goes to school, remember this neighborhood is not as it used to be 20 years ago, i think what you are trying to say is that you do not want your kid to go to school with a bunch of poor kids that go to our local schools, there are plenty of private schools in park slope where your child will be shielded from the realities of Prospect heights and the world in general so good luck!!!


Please enough of this crap - no where in the post does it say that they do not want their children to go there because of poor kids.

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Post Fri Feb 02, 07 4:07 pm EST     Reply with quote

but it is implied!!!!just read the post i've heard schools here are bad???that reads perfect, how many of you have gone to schools here or have kids in them???
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No I did not feel that is implied and yes my son is now in the 5th grade at PS 9, my husband and his whole family attended PS 9, if you look on paper (the BOE's own website) PS 9 does not have a favorable report.. If you notice there are many parents who told the poster to check out PS 9 because it is only getting better. As a parent you want the best for your child and you want options nothing wrong with that.

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sure!!!But your kids can go to the best school in the whole world and become criminals, it is not about the schools its about the parents, look at all the kids in Park Slope that have well to do parents they are all smoking weed, cigarrets drinking on street corners and guess what>>They go to Berkley Carrol, Polly Prep. ps 321, Saint Ann's so it is not about the schools, if you have a kid that gets education at home it does not matter how bad the school is.I went to John Jay back in the early 90's when Jonh Jay was the worse school in the city, shootings rapes, fights, weed and crack smoking but i love school my parents took an interest in my learning and just because the school was shitty it was me who wanted to be educated no matter of the circumstances!!!!!!!
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Post Fri Feb 02, 07 4:29 pm EST     Reply with quote

But still, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that good parents+good school is better than good parents+crappy school. The OP asked about how the schools are. Presumably, how good the OP is as a parent isn't really the information he or she is coming to the site to find out.
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Post Fri Feb 02, 07 4:37 pm EST     Reply with quote

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sure!!!But your kids can go to the best school in the whole world and become criminals, it is not about the schools its about the parents


Agree 100% but it is also about the school. If they don't care and don't try to get the extra programs to enrich our children then it is - in my opinion - a crappy school no matter where it is.

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I went to John Jay back in the early 90's when Jonh Jay was the worse school in the city, shootings rapes, fights, weed and crack smoking but i love school my parents took an interest in my learning and just because the school was shitty it was me who wanted to be educated no matter of the circumstances!!!!!!!


Went there also (82-86) when they first installed those metal detectors and on this point I disagree with you. When a school is that bad teachers do not want to teach there and the ones that are there do not go the extra mile to help those who are having trouble. Your parent can be the most involved, supportive parent and you could be the best student and more than willing to learn but if you do not have the foundation (a smoothly run school) then it is all for nothing and you are better off being home schooled.

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Hey it seems that you are the ones that do not have faith in teachers, i know plenty of teachers that work in KAKA schools and they do give a crap about their students and their schools even though they do not have the resources they need, so for you to say that teachers do not want to go the extra mile to help their students or their schools is very insulting to anyone who works in education.So do yourselves a favor send your kids to the private schools where you will be charged 10.000 to 20.000 a year i bet their programs will satisfy you and your spoiled brats!!!

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I've worked in a "bad" school. (The kind of place featured in books.)

Yes, there were some wonderful teachers there, smart people who worked very hard and cared enormously. The students were still at a tremendous disadvantage because of the disorganization of the school, the frequent disruptions, the lack of facilities (like a library), the lack of enrichment classes, and the lazy attitude of the administration of the school, which tolerated teachers who were far from wonderful and which made the students feel disposable. To suggest that those students' parents would have been wrong to expect more, that they would have been "spoiling" their children is insulting. Those students, most of whose lives outside school had more than enough difficulty, deserved better. (Those wonderful teachers deserved better, too.)
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dingleberry wrote:
Hey it seems that you are the ones that do not have faith in teachers, i know plenty of teachers that work in KAKA schools and they do give a crap about their students and their schools even though they do not have the resources they need, so for you to say that teachers do not want to go the extra mile to help their students or their schools is very insulting to anyone who works in education.So do yourselves a favor send your kids to the private schools where you will be charged 10.000 to 20.000 a year i bet their programs will satisfy you and your spoiled brats!!!


I don't think anyone has said anything negative about teachers who are trying. in fact, it sounds more like the parents are taking an active role in the schools to try to assist underfunded teachers and make the school a better place.

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dingleberry wrote:
Hey it seems that you are the ones that do not have faith in teachers, i know plenty of teachers that work in KAKA schools and they do give a crap about their students and their schools even though they do not have the resources they need, so for you to say that teachers do not want to go the extra mile to help their students or their schools is very insulting to anyone who works in education.So do yourselves a favor send your kids to the private schools where you will be charged 10.000 to 20.000 a year i bet their programs will satisfy you and your spoiled brats!!!


As I said, if the “school” that means principals, administrators, teachers, etc. don’t try to get the extra programs then I stand by what I said about it being a crappy school. For example I find PS 9 to be a great school because they have been able to get so many programs for kids who otherwise would not be able to afford and/or attend these type of activities. For example there is violin lessons, piano lessons, robotics, art, chess, basketball, drama, dance and many more that the principal and teachers have implemented. They makes sure that they tap every resource available to them. That is dedication to me.

I also said that when “I went to John Jay” there were many teachers there who did not give a crap. That's just how it was and I am speaking from my experience and I know I can speak for a lot of my old classmates.

I have attend only public schools and so far my son has also. I stand by my school and I support my son’s school 100% that goes not only for the teachers but the principal and administrators as well. I never once said that NYC public school teachers were not worthy of any respect or that they did not do their jobs.

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dingleberry wrote:
Hey it seems that you are the ones that do not have faith in teachers, i know plenty of teachers that work in KAKA schools and they do give a crap about their students and their schools even though they do not have the resources they need, so for you to say that teachers do not want to go the extra mile to help their students or their schools is very insulting to anyone who works in education.So do yourselves a favor send your kids to the private schools where you will be charged 10.000 to 20.000 a year i bet their programs will satisfy you and your spoiled brats!!!


now i really want to go to your restaurant. can i bring my spoiled brat with me?

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Smokin' Joe wrote:
dingleberry wrote:
Hey it seems that you are the ones that do not have faith in teachers, i know plenty of teachers that work in KAKA schools and they do give a crap about their students and their schools even though they do not have the resources they need, so for you to say that teachers do not want to go the extra mile to help their students or their schools is very insulting to anyone who works in education.So do yourselves a favor send your kids to the private schools where you will be charged 10.000 to 20.000 a year i bet their programs will satisfy you and your spoiled brats!!!


now i really want to go to your restaurant. can i bring my spoiled brat with me?


only if you let the kid run loose.

amusingly, before I came back to nyc last week, I had lunch at giraffe restaurant in islington in london and holy fuckin' shit - it was chaos. kids EVERYWHERE. for example, one dad, alone, with 5 kids. sitting there, guzzling brooklyn lager after brooklyn lager (the new hipster beer in london, fwiw), watching his kids throw french fries at each other. hilarious. especially as the seating is COMMUNAL. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

gave me new respect for park slope.
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For anyone interested in checking out PS9, they are having another open house. Make your own informed decision.



"Our open house will be held on Friday, February 16, 2207 at 9:00am.


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Every time I look at this thread title, I can't help but have my inner Borat say... "Prospect Heights is to live... niiiice."
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I liiiike!
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Nmello there are rapes everyday that is why people live here, there aremuggins, murders, it is very unsafe to walk to the subway, the food is terrible, there are no places for you to hang out with your newborn, schools are crappy, teachers don't care and god forbid your child will be going to school with kids of different origins, rethink your move!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yawn.
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