A little tip to those long time Park Slope folks who dig having a drink at Royale and listening to progressive, modern rock. Learn from this mistake. I used to go to Royale a lot, it's a very groovy bar, that is, until recently. The place has apparently changed hands and kids, it's not pretty. We went there about two weeks ago and as the evening progressed, sure enough I started to notice a change in the music and then the crowd. And while we all sat in a booth realizing what a mistake we had made, our table became increasingly surrounded by angry, pissed off looking ghetto thugs. No joke, I think we sat at "their" table. I thought we had confined dumb ass white boys and dumb ass ghetto fucks to 200 Fifth? Think I'm lying? We went across the street to Commonwealth and watched as no less than five police cars pulled up and shut the place down. It's fucking awful, truly awful. And don't get all annoyed at me sounding slightly racist. You know I'm right, where there are ghetto thugs (i.e., young, black men), there is sure to be police activity and I wasn't proved wrong.
Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 8:34 am EST
Thanks for the tip. We were thinking of going but I don't do places that accomodate such crowds.
steve Cylon
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Wed Jan 31, 07 8:49 am EST
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pluvious Newbie
Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 34
Wed Jan 31, 07 11:59 am EST
yeah, you do sound kinda racist.
which is not to say the venue hasn't changed. i'll take your word (with a grain of (white) salt.
Abby Normal Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 12:08 pm EST
Does this mean the ghetto thugs have cleared out of Bar Reis?
erskelyne Dirty South River Rat
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 56 Location: The 504.
Wed Jan 31, 07 12:26 pm EST
I told y'all this in the "Best Bar" thread, as an employee who got ousted in the changeover 2 months ago. The new manager is a Manhattan-based, self described "ball-buster' who thought that clearing out all the regular employees and hiring his friends and assorted bimbos would be the ticket to success. I'm no more bitter than the average unemployed person, but I really want to see this blow up in his face.
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yeah, you do sound kinda racist.
which is not to say the venue hasn't changed. i'll take your word (with a grain of (white) salt.
The old crowd was way mixed on the weekends, and of course there would be the inevitable complaints from some of the more, um, "sheltered" Slopers. This new crowd is totally different. Management is actively soliciting the bottle service, thug and wanna-be thug crowd; no difference if they come from the neighborhood, East New York, Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst or points inbetween.
It ain't a color thing, people. It's a "pack the bar with the lowest common denominator" thing. So much as was said to us former employeeas after the purge. _________________ Ladies and Gentlemen, We are floating in space.
Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 12:46 pm EST
erskelyne wrote:
The new manager is a Manhattan-based, self described "ball-buster' who thought that clearing out all the regular employees and hiring his friends and assorted bimbos would be the ticket to success.
Works for me. One of the "bimbos" is the owner's cousin and is smoking hot. I go there just to see her. The other girl bartender is hot as well. I have always seen the clientele as being mixed after the change of hands. The owner sometimes checks IDs at the doors, and has always been nice.
If you want to listen to Interpol, just go across the street (or better yet, go back to the Midwest). If blacks and latinos scare you (and it seems it does) then don't bother with Royale.
erskelyne Dirty South River Rat
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 56 Location: The 504.
Wed Jan 31, 07 12:52 pm EST
Yeah, getting fired 'cause you're not a bimbo is a good thing, right?
p.s.-not from the Midwest, btw,
Parkslope95 Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 1:08 pm EST
I'm the original poster. And first, I'm not from the midwest, I'm from NYC. And because it makes someone cringe doesn't mean my statement is inaccurate, it's just kind of a bummer. That is to say, blacks and latinos don't scare me, and I'm not a "sheltered sloper." But the truth is, and ask any cop willing to be honest instead of politically correct, that bars packed with young black men, disproportionately have more problems. More fights, more calls to 911 regarding guns, etc. You know why? Because they really do disproportionately have more fights, pull out more guns, etc. And that's the crowd that is in Royale now. Listen, I could talk all day about our racist society and how because of that we ended up with a whole slew of insecure black men who look for their self-esteem in guns, fights and pit bulls. But that doesn't change that what I said is accurate. We have just been taught to cringe at statements like mine because we don't want to believe it's pretty accurate.
quijibo Crooklyn Ninja
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 2028 Location: taintalicious!
Wed Jan 31, 07 1:09 pm EST
i've always liked the royale
gonna go have to check it out for meself...... _________________ I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that! -- Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 1:37 pm EST
erskelyne wrote:
Yeah, getting fired 'cause you're not a bimbo is a good thing, right?
That's capitalism for ya. For those that don't like, North Korea and Cuba are lovely places to live in.
caaahyoko Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 1258
Wed Jan 31, 07 1:51 pm EST
Anonymous wrote:
erskelyne wrote:
Yeah, getting fired 'cause you're not a bimbo is a good thing, right?
That's capitalism for ya. For those that don't like, North Korea and Cuba are lovely places to live in.
Hey, attractive men make money for bars too! The guys that were fired from Royale were good looking--especially the one guy that was a dead-ringer for Marc Ford. And why do you think there are tons of women hanging around when Francis is working at Buttermilk?
homeowner "Way Too Incestial"
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 2116 Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Wed Jan 31, 07 3:10 pm EST
Parkslope95 wrote:
I'm the original poster. And first, I'm not from the midwest, I'm from NYC. And because it makes someone cringe doesn't mean my statement is inaccurate, it's just kind of a bummer. That is to say, blacks and latinos don't scare me, and I'm not a "sheltered sloper." But the truth is, and ask any cop willing to be honest instead of politically correct, that bars packed with young black men, disproportionately have more problems. More fights, more calls to 911 regarding guns, etc. You know why? Because they really do disproportionately have more fights, pull out more guns, etc. And that's the crowd that is in Royale now. Listen, I could talk all day about our racist society and how because of that we ended up with a whole slew of insecure black men who look for their self-esteem in guns, fights and pit bulls. But that doesn't change that what I said is accurate. We have just been taught to cringe at statements like mine because we don't want to believe it's pretty accurate.
It doesn't sound like you've hung out in many bars with black men, or else you'd recognize that the "thug" persona is not a monolithic one any more than the "hipster" persona is for young white men. There are plenty of black men (young and old) that don't carry weapons or feel the need to start a fight or own a pit bull as a way of making a statement to the world about their own esteem issues.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the reason you posted this to begin with (the Royale has changed) but to say that "we had confined dumb ghetto fucks to 200 Fifth" and to equate ghetto thugs with black men generally or to ignore the fact that the bars and clubs in NYC that have gotten the most negative press in NYC in the last year actually cater to young whites is just straight up racist.
Your statements aren't "pretty accurate". They are pretty much based upon your own perceptions and are presented without any support other than your own opinion. Does 200 5th with all of its "dumb ass white boys and dumb ass ghetto fucks" have regular fights and calls to 911 regarding guns?
You are more than welcome to your opinions, but don't try to couch them as fact or suggest that we'd all agree if we were honest because I don't
MichaelKeys MotherSucker
Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 900 Location: South of the Slope
Wed Jan 31, 07 8:02 pm EST
Thanks, homeowner. Always on the money.
Aside from underlining your point(s) I'd also like to add that as erskelyne previously pointed out, the deal with the new Royale and elsewhere like it is one of courting the lowest common denominator. Any one of us that frequently partakes of the neighborhood bar scene knows that idiots and thugs--and wannabes--come in all colors. After all, that melee I came across outside Bar Reis a few months back was a bunch of K-Fed lookalikes. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if the disruptive quantity WERE NOT from the neighborhood.
Two years ago I was DJing on the weekends at another, now extinct, 5th Ave spot that went for that crowd, especially on Fridays. Not a mixed crowd, but a mixed GHETTO crowd. (In case that needs clarifying, the patrons were WHITE, BLACK and BROWN.) All equally annoying, disruptive and disrespectful. During my stint I had a birthday and celebrated it there on a Saturday. That night, 75% of the place was comprised of MY friends (who are from all colors of the rainbow). A fun time was had by all and at the end of the evening the owner asked me how he could draw THAT crowd every weekend. I guess the new Royale would rather not.
ParkSlope95, what I'm saying is this: if you get beat up by a Hell's Angel don't make blanket statements about people who ride motorcycles, or have long hair, etc. Dig? _________________ "If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
Not Bukowski Guest
Wed Jan 31, 07 8:41 pm EST
I have been to the "new" Royale, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it. In fact, the fixed it up a bit (finally put in some lighting instead of bare lightbulbs). Every time the crowd is mixed, but never any ghetto elements. Sounds like someone is just scared of black people. Not surprising considering there are almost no black people in Park Slope, it's not the most welcoming environment for minorities.
Perhaps they have a certain party on a given night? I've been there weeknights and on Saturday.
alafairnadia radical quellist
Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 8272 Location: not washington ave. btwn sterling & st. johns
Wed Jan 31, 07 9:18 pm EST
interestingly, I've seen bottle service at freakin' SouthPaw. and at every fancy-ass club in Manhattan. I'm not sure what is ghetto about bottle service. _________________ like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
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quijibo Crooklyn Ninja
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 2028 Location: taintalicious!
Wed Jan 31, 07 11:05 pm EST
this whole thread is racialist!!!!! _________________ I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that! -- Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
thalia Regular
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 160
Thu Feb 01, 07 3:15 am EST
hmm..sooo Alafairnadia, Emily, et al where's all your outraged self righteousness now??
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Thu Feb 01, 07 9:56 am EST
thalia wrote:
hmm..sooo Alafairnadia, Emily, et al where's all your outraged self righteousness now??
hmm..sooo Alafairnadia, Emily, et al where's all your outraged self righteousness now??
That's just silly. When someone doesn't jump in on a thread, it's not necessarily a lack of interest or some big conspiracy or something. I can't speak for others, but even though I thought the original post was pretty offensive, I haven't had as much time for posting over the last couple of days and I thought Homeowner and others summed up what I probably would have wanted to say better than I could have anyway. Gee, I guess that makes me some sort of evil, awful hypocrite then. Pfft.
thalia Regular
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 160
Thu Feb 01, 07 2:25 pm EST
Carnivore..what's wrong with your eyes?? lol
Apollonia666..I was not addressing you..so no need to get defensive
sweet tea Cooler Ham
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 4981 Location: the jewish
Thu Feb 01, 07 3:06 pm EST
thalia:
who counts as "et al"? just so it's clear who should be defensive. _________________ Bumping ancient threads with bot-like bullshit
Apollonia666..I was not addressing you..so no need to get defensive
Sorry, but I couldn't tell who your "et al" was meant to include. Regardless, Alafairnadia and Emily may have similar reasons for not posting. So I think what I said about it not meaning diddlysquat when someone doesn't post stands.
witch-king Trust Fund Partier
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Thu Feb 01, 07 4:08 pm EST
i've witnessed fights outside snooky's pub near my abode. it was fantastic to see middle-aged guys ('white' for those who need a racial marker) rolling around on the sidewalk in a violent embrace. _________________ your anger is delicious. - dieter
BrookFetish Gentrified Chicken Customer
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Thu Feb 01, 07 4:19 pm EST
Gawker. _________________ ===
Doing just fine, thank you.
outsider looking in Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 4:20 pm EST
Park Slope is so weird. It's like Great Neck or something, without the disproportionate Jewish element.
indieslop Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 4:26 pm EST
parkslope95, if you ask any cop willing to be honest and not just politically correct, they will also tell you that most instances of date rape, serial rape and serial murder are white, insecure, sheltered men between the ages of 28 and 45. so i guess it might be better if you too, stayed at home on the weekends.
Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 4:32 pm EST
Hey ParkSlope95,
You're 100% correct. All the media shrews who want to snicker at your comments will secretly nod in agreement and feel guilty about it. Oh, and did I mention that they'll take your advice and AVOID the place too?
We all know it's true.
Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 4:40 pm EST
I love how the owners put all the reviews on Citysearch
I just read the artical and I was really taken back by it. New York City is built by all kinds of people, from all walks of life. it's really sad that in this day and age we can't take it for what it is. You don't like black people then go back home to your little town "Gringolandia". This city will never change and that's what makes it great. And besides it's fucking Brooklyn what the fuck do you expect? Get out of my city!!!!
sweetness Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 4:57 pm EST
WOW...Justified racism. Impressive statistics (i.e ask any cop). Parkslope95 if you are taking advice from a cop you must be an idiot. I bet your redneck-bravura makes you feel controversial, and occasionally gives you a chance to assert yourself at a dinner party. I bet your redneckedness helps to compensate for your compounding personal inadequecies and disappointments. You must be a number of peoples "crazy" friend. You crazy racist.
Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:07 pm EST
Don't fall into parkslope95's trap. The guy's obviously a big douche, and should just continue to live his life that way, unnoticed, as he's certainly use to. Fucking forums... gives LOSERS seconds of notice for nothing. Let his mother continue to be the only one who cares.
MichaelKeys MotherSucker
Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 900 Location: South of the Slope
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:13 pm EST
Anonymous wrote:
Hey ParkSlope95,
You're 100% correct. All the media shrews who want to snicker at your comments will secretly nod in agreement and feel guilty about it. Oh, and did I mention that they'll take your advice and AVOID the place too?
We all know it's true.
Because you say it is, right, genius?
Let me spell it out for you: only an idiot or someone looking for trouble would knowingly go to a place that has a reputation for accomodating thuggish behavior, regardless of what color these thugs are. Got that?
Do you really think someone who's got their act together and/or has experienced more than just the residual racism of this neighborhood is gonna feel guilty over calling out subjective and blatantly racist remarks like ParkSlope95's? Please tell me you're a little brighter than that, at least.
These racist mooks, I tell ya...where are they when white cops kick the living crap, or worse yet, shoot dozens of bullets into innocent black or brown people? What's that? They deserved it? Right... _________________ "If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
sally Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:23 pm EST
Could you hipster douchebags be more racist?
david orion Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:35 pm EST
I used to DJ at Royale on Friday Nights, and the crowd was usually a mix of hipsters and people more into hip-hop. (I wouldn't use the term ghetto to describe them). The latter people were black, white & latino/hispanic, and they were usually the ones to get the dance party started, even if I was spinning indie dance rock or whatever. Then the hipsters would join in. It never seemed like there was any tension to me, but maybe I was too busy spinning records to notice.
On another note, some of the old bartenders and DJ's from Royale now work at Bar 4 on 7th Ave. & 15th St. And I've seen a lot of customers from Royale there too.
erskelyne Dirty South River Rat
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 56 Location: The 504.
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:41 pm EST
I think we're all missing the point, that a douchebag is a douchebag, whether they be a hipster quasi-racist or a wanna-be thug.
I'm not fond of the bar, or its new clientele. Not because they're a different color, but because the new mngmt has gone out of its way to appeal to the L.C.D., in some vague sort of "keeping it real" bullshit.
So yeah, Parkslope95 could have said his piece with a little more thought, though.
I think we're all giving this Doucheteria more free press than it needs. Maybe a separate thread on racism and coded racist speak?
Kelly Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:44 pm EST
ParkSlope95, I'm not sure what makes you more cringeworthy, the fact that you're so baldly scared of black people, or the fact that you're the type of person who seriously says things like "listening to progressive, modern rock" and "groovy." Do all of Park Slope a favor: Next time, stay home, clutch your limp weiner by yourself and listen to your Killers album in peace. That way me and my girls won't have the misfortune of running into you at Buttermilk or that apparent deathtrap Royale.
MichaelKeys MotherSucker
Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 900 Location: South of the Slope
Thu Feb 01, 07 5:59 pm EST
sally wrote:
Could you hipster douchebags be more racist?
Whoa, Sally. Let's not be the reverse PS95, either.
Kelly wrote:
ParkSlope95, I'm not sure what makes you more cringeworthy, the fact that you're so baldly scared of black people, or the fact that you're the type of person who seriously says things like "listening to progressive, modern rock" and "groovy." Do all of Park Slope a favor: Next time, stay home, clutch your limp weiner by yourself and listen to your Killers album in peace. That way me and my girls won't have the misfortune of running into you at Buttermilk or that apparent deathtrap Royale.
Um, here comes my music geekitude: "progressive" and "modern" rock are two different things. Sorry, but progressive, modern rock...what is that? Can I order a side dish with it?
You have a problem with "groovy"? Word?
And yeah, I agree: The Killers is for limp weinered individuals and the women who love them.
Oh, and when do you and your girls stop by the 'Milk, Kelly? 'Cause it could sure use some more ladies during the week. Damn sausage party... _________________ "If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
Rachel Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 6:04 pm EST
Newsflash--Brooklyn (even Park Slope, where I grew up) used to be inhabited by people of color (not just brown visitors who commute daily to raise lazy white women's children). If Park Slope 2007 is too integrated for you, you might just want to move to Howard Beach for a year or two. By then, all of you pasty, emaciated, indie-rock listening, PBR-drinking, I'm-an-artist-with-a-trust-fund-shhhhh.... assholes will have gentrified the entire fucking borough. Keep hope alive!!
Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 6:08 pm EST
Michaelkeyes,
What bars in NYC have a reputation for hosting WHITE thugs? I can't think of one.
Look, you can be delusional if it makes you feel warm inside and superior, but we don't need to pour over statistics until our eyes glaze over to know who causes the trouble.
gawker see, gawker do. this is why posters should be registered. _________________ Get your paws off my canned chicken
DeckNick80 Newbie
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Brooklyn, NY
Thu Feb 01, 07 6:22 pm EST
This is why people make fun of Park Slope. _________________ DN80
"The cha-cha is no more ridiculous than life itself."
MichaelKeys MotherSucker
Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 900 Location: South of the Slope
Thu Feb 01, 07 6:43 pm EST
Anonymous wrote:
Michaelkeyes,
What bars in NYC have a reputation for hosting WHITE thugs? I can't think of one.
And you're calling me delusional? Hahahahahaha. Dude, you crack me up! OK, I won't even get into the Mob bars or the Westies bars or the Hell's Angels/biker bars, etc. but I'll stick to Park Slope and tell you that there are currently two on 5th Ave, that may not necessarily "host" these dudes but are frequented by them. If you read one of my previous entries you'll see that I used to DJ at one that is no longer around and there are two more within blocks of each other in the North Slope. You want names? C'mon, don't play dumb, if you are from the neighborhood you know EXACTLY which ones they are. Ask around, and you'll hear the same tune, because like the new Royale, they're the bars that people don't feel safe in, regardless of their own color.
Anonymous wrote:
Look, you can be delusional if it makes you feel warm inside and superior, but we don't need to pour over statistics until our eyes glaze over to know who causes the trouble. Get real.
So, are you telling me that the trouble caused in the bars in this neighborhood that RARELY have people of color in them--which are the overwhelming majority--are caused by black or brown people? That occasional black or brown person that goes into Great Lakes, Commonwealth or Buttermilk is the one that starts the problems, right? It's all dandy until they show up, correct? Of course not and you know it, so get your head out of the sand. It's an attitude/behavior thing not a color thing. What this means is that NO ONE HAS THE IDIOT/THUG MARKET CORNERED.
I can't speak about other 'hoods/cities, etc. but I know mine and know that bars that attract idiots get idiots of all colors and those that don't, get mostly cool people of every hue. But that's just me feeling all "warm...and superior": we both know it's all about black and brown people fuckin' up, right?
Jeez... _________________ "If Elvis is the King of Rock 'n' Roll, then Chuck Berry must be Master of the Universe."
sally Guest
Thu Feb 01, 07 7:03 pm EST
I just call 'em like I see 'em. If you can prove to me you're not hipster douchebags (which you clearly can't as you are users of Brooklynian.com/Forums for the County of Kings), I will edit my statement to read "Could you douchebags be more racist?"
Please consider Rachel's suggestion of perusing real estate in Howard Beach.
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