[Honeymoonx]

Peeked in the other night and saw Pet food on the shelves. Then yesterday I saw they put up a sign reading Pup Slope.

considering they'red located on the PH side of Flatbush they could of used a better name. Prospect Pup?

[The Yarn Monkey]

How about Prospect Pup or Catbush? The options are endless.
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[BrookSignal]

LMAO!

[bunnycup]

A woman, apparently the owner, told me on Monday that they plan to begin selling dogs and cats shortly. I don't really want to buy pet food and toys from someone who thinks that's okay. But of course you might feel differently, so...

[sje]

Are you kidding? They're selling animals in there? Just about everyone knows not to buy a puppy mill puppy. I hope! Jeez, I so rather have yaba.

[Laura B]

[VeggieQueen]

Yea, that's really bad news. I'm already going to send out a boycott notice to all my friends.

[vanilla]

[sweet tea]

[poppy13]

It certainly is kitten season. What should be done is try to despirse these cats and dogs to smaller towns. My godmother who is in PA had gotten a cat from the local ASPCA, and the poor thing already had an infection. Now that the cat got loose and all, the ASPCA is reluctent to give my godmother another cat. It was her fault that the poor thing was already sick and scared. So anyway, now she has to go to another small (even smaller) town to try to get a cat. This lady has had cats in her home as long as I can remember. If she doesn't find anything, I'm going to bring her one from NYC. =)

[The Yarn Monkey]

Still thinking of names for the store. How about "Bewteen Bird-gen and St. Bark's"
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[sje]

Screw names Yarn Guy, if they're selling dogs and cats while animals are being euthanized for lack of homes, I'll never spend a single damn cent in there. Besides, I love Acme on Vanderbilt. Ask them how much I spend, it's not an insignificant amount! I also patronize Top Dog {or whatever it's called} by the 7th ave. Ozzies in PS.

Selling puppy/kitty mill animals is barbaric. I will boycott the place. This truly is no laughing matter.

[bunnycup]

Wow, being new here (to the forums, but several years in PH/PS) and firm in my stance that it's unethical to sell dogs and cats when so many are homeless and suffering and being euthanized, I am so thrilled to see all the responses to boycott Pup Slope and speak to the owners to urge more ethical actions. Those are some great ideas, and perhaps if the owner is adamant that she wants live animals available she might agree to instead sponser adoption days because doing so will obviously garner her more community support.

[caseopele]

bunnycup, I think you'll find that there will be alot of opposition to a pet store selling animals around here. There are a few local rescue groups in the PS/PH area (I foster for one of them). I'm pretty surprised that this woman thought it would be a good idea to open a place like that on Flatbush. Everyone I know (including customers) with pets is going to hear about this. This woman is no better than a pimp, making money off the backs of suffering animals. Pet stores selling cats and dogs don't just get them from puppy mills, they get them from backyard breeders too (which are just as bad). Thank you so much for letting us know about this!
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[The Yarn Monkey]

Uhhhg, this post bugs me a lot.

For those that want to adopt a pet, you are correct, save a soul at any of the NY adoption anegcies. I've done that before.

But here's my question. Before the villagers burn down the pet store, did anyone stop in to ask what they are up to? Not all breeders are mill-type places. Good dog breeders are very aware of "close" breeding and the horrible defects that go along with that. A bad reputation can shut down your business overnight.

Someone gonna stop in and for a little Q&A?
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[Emily]

Is the place open yet, or is there someone in the store? I'm not sure there's anything to boycott yet, but I'd definitely go and talk to the person.

bunnycup, there are so many pet-lovers here! I also think that the involvement of some posters with TNR and trying to get animals adopted has raised the profile of that issue among people who post/read here a lot.
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[sje]

If someone is dead set on a particular breed, there are rescue organizations for every single one. Or Petfinder.com is also very good for all states. Both my dogs are pure-bred {pure chance, actually} rescues {chihuahua and a MinPin, Kitty was born in a deli in Jersey!}, so there simply is NO NEED to sell a pure breed animal from a store. If your going to professionally show and get one directly from a breeder, that's another story, however I'll wager no-one gets a showdog from a pet store! Yarn Guy, please research this subject, it's awful!

I do plan to stop in and see what up myself.

[The Yarn Monkey]

You're a doll Emily.

A good suggestion is see if they are willing to post an adopted "Pet of the Week" from Hope, or any of the adoption agencies. People that adopt pets are not people that buy by breed.

I admit, I stop in and play with the prisoners at Hope, but allergies take their toll.
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[stacey]

[poppy13]

Hahaha

[bunnycup]

I also have two purebred dogs by chance (a Chi and a MinPin who is weirdly more like a MediumPin) that were given up by previous families and adopted by my family, although overall I am truly much more of a mutt person. I'm also looking to perhaps adopt a cat in the near future, but that's still under family discussion. It's so great to talk with some other animal lovers!

And just to clarify, I think the store is open. I walked past on Monday with Mr. Bunnycup and our Chihuahua, we peeked in the window and were invited in. The woman I spoke with was very nice and offered Lulu, who was panting from the heat wave, a sip of water. What we both think we heard next was that they'd be selling dogs soon too, but I'm HOPING that it was a misunderstanding!

I will try to stop in again and see the same person and ask her whether I heard her right. If I get anymore details, I will let everyone know. I don't want to ruin the store's rep if I am possibly wrong, but if I am right...well...that's a whole different story.

[Medusa]

I walked by today. Puppies are in the window (at least they looked like puppies to my untrained eye). Mini Dachaunds maybe. I did not go in to deny or confirm the sales aspect of things. Maybe a more intreipid reported will be able to provide more infor after the PM commute.

[sje]

Bunnycup, that's funny that we ended up with the two exact same breeds by chance! My Minpin is 21 lbs, we call him a "MaxiPin".

I'm all for supporting local businesses, that's widely known, but if this place sells lives animals, my "rabid" response is nothing compared to how others in the 'hood will react.

[bunnycup]

[VeggieQueen]

[sje]

[bunnycup]

Just wanted to let people know I stopped in on my way home from work. There were about 10 people outside looking in the window at 2 puppies and a kitten. I went inside and asked at the counter and was told the animals ARE for sale.

Wow I can't believe it - I thought my 9lb Chi was a lil' cow, and well Mr. "I'm passing myself off as a giant MinPin" is probably about 18lbs right now. I really thought there couldn't be twins but there are!

Just got home going to play with the monsters.

[Medusa]

The thing is, the puppies in the window will lure people in. Maybe reps from the animal shelter should set up a table nearby with adorable animals for adoption as a counterpoint.

[The Yarn Monkey]

[sje]

YG, puppy mill doesn't refer to the actual store, please Google it! It's where they come from. Why should animals be bred to sell in stores when there are THOUSANDS of them needing home? etc....

Here: I did it for you.
http://tinyurl.com/697pq

[brooklynleather]

Yeah I went in today and I was sketched out that they were selling puppies!

[Karl the Druid]

[sje]

Did you bother to read the whole thread, Karl?

[Karl the Druid]

affirmative, from top to bottom. thanks for the clever emoticon

the topic has been changed to read "Yabbas now a Pet Store + why you should adopt instead"

i stopped in to check out the store, satisfied my questions, purchased some stuff and wished them well

i suggest some of you leave the safety of the message board, walk in and ask your own questions instead of breeding contemp upon a new local business from a window view of pupps

i've only had classic muts, but in our world of personal choice and opinion some would rather buy or adopt a pet by breed knowing its strength, wisdom, intelligence, constitution, nature of origin, and its compatabilty with their situation (family, children, other pets, small apartments, et al) before owning (and breds should be very well researched before owning).

opinion: breed v mut, if one truly wanted to end all breeds and i mean of any kind cat, dog, fish, lizard, steer, horse, one would not even adopt by breed, that act still perpetuates the prior

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[sje]

What makes you think I'm anti-purebreed? I own 2 rescues, CLEARLY POSTED ABOVE, that are both pure breeds, a Chihuahua and a Miniature Pinscher.

I still maintain that you obviously DID NOT read the thread, or if you did, there was a gap in comprehension.

AGAIN, there are pure breed rescue organizations for every single breed of dog and cat known to man. Just Google your breed of choice + rescue. Or stop by any one of the pet adoption events or centers in the city or here in BKLYN. My chihuahua came from Earth Angels in the Bronx, who had her at the Union Sq. Petco in the city. She cost me $150. and I thank Zeus every day I have her.

Save hundreds of dollars and get exactly what you want. Easy and ethical.

[Karl the Druid]

there's no need to condecent to get your point across dear, i've read the entire thread from the day it started, i know sam (yabba)

what makes you think i was speaking of you in particular? have you actually read my previous post thoroughly?

module one:
as i've said i have nothing against breeds (pure or half), as i said its a personal choice. i've said its a personal choice to get a breed or mut, or to buy or adopt

module two:
i've read and followed the topic and watched Honeymoonx change the topic title to: "Yabbas now a Pet Store + why you should adopt instead"

start a new thread or change the title to just "why you should adopt instead" otherwise this topic sounds too much like boycotting a new local business as in:

[sje]

karl, I plan to personally go in, make sure they are actually selling puppies/cats, and then inform the owner I will not be spending one thin dime in there until they stop selling live animals. If they persist in selling live animals, I will also tell everyone I know about it, and let them decide whether to patronize the place or not. My reasons are amply spelled out above.

So, yes, that should be considered a boycott. You quoted Medusa, but then after that someone did indeed confirm the fact that the animals for sale.

If you'd ever seen a female dog that has been used for breeding purposes, you would be sick, and perhaps understand my vehemence. Pet stores are outlets for those babies. Were you able to follow the link I posted?

Pure bred dogs have been around for centuries, and there are many reputable, clean, ethical and healthy breeders. They do not sell from pet stores.

[shishkab]

[where you be at]

I have Read this whole entire post and a lot of the things you are saying are right and half the junk thats on this post are opinions. yes every one is entitled to a opinion and is has the the right to live and chose weather to buy something or not. I belive you should give the store a chance. Yes i know buying puppies sounds unethical but just think about every dogs needs a home.

one thing that i can say for fact is that the dogs in pup slopes are not from puppy mills. BELIEVE ME on this one. Think about if a person buys a dog from a pet shop and finds out that the dog came from a puppy mill how fast do you think that store will be open. Each dog has there own papers and comes from a trusted breeder. go ahead buy a dog and call the breeder.

I believe its a great idea that a new store is opening and sell healthy dogs. I know a lot of people would say " why don't you go to a dog rescue and get a dog " . thats ok to do that but at the same time these dogs will need a homes as well. why not try recommending people to actually go to the store and try it out.

all i have to say is give the store a try, the store has more service to offer if its kills you so bad that they sell puppies . they offer grooming, babysitting, and sell dog and cat food. give the store a try.
anyone open to comment feel free to ask away

[caseopele]

Pet stores that sell animals get them from puppy mills and backyard breeders. They will lie through their teeth and tell you their dogs and cats are from reputable breeders. Anyone who wants a purebred should go through a purebreed rescue (of which there are many) or find a good responsible breeder. The AKC website has a breeder referral service, I'm sure there are others.

More info on pet stores and puppy mills:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/puppy_mills.html

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_adoption_information/buying_a_puppy/

http://dogs.about.com/cs/generalcare/a/pet_stores.htm

http://www.labbies.com/petstores.htm

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_puppymills

http://www.caps-web.org/index.php?why=y
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[caseopele]

where you be at, there is no shortage of animals needing homes. Do pet store puppies get exercise or play time, or adequate socialization with other dogs and people? I cannot support a business that is selling dogs and cats. I don't care what other wonderful services they offer. Have you read this story? Dogs and cats are dying every day and you expect us to embrace a store making a profit by selling them? In my opinion, each dog or cat purchased at a pet store means one less dog or cat is adopted from a shelter.

Animal Care And Control Overwhelmed With Unwanted Cats, Dogs
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=71598
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[bunnycup]

I hate it when people say "every dog needs a home" or similar nonsense - my fiance kind of thinks this way and it's so asinine I could kill him.

"Purepred" "puggles", or dachsunds, or maltipoos and all the rest don't fall from the sky like so much manna and honey, searching for their happy "fur"ever home. "Every dog needs a home" is a nonsense response to the issue because HUMANS are profiting from CREATING those dogs and then selling them to business who stick them in a window in a scenario (impulse buy of unethically created product) that will only entrap unsophisticated "consumers" who cannot control their impulse to BUY A PUGGLE. NOW. (For example because it's "ONLY ON SALE TODAY!!!").

And because those unsophisticated consumers fall for this trap you know what? Two things happen - FIRST, the unsophisticated consumer stupid enough to buy a dog because he/she saw it in the front window of a store gives that dog up as soon as its teeny crappies on the floor stop being cute, or because he/she "has to move and my new apartment won't take animals" or "my new boyfriend is allergic" or whatever other bullsh*t, and the pup is left to sit in a city shelter for 72 hours and then be euthanized (or if it's lucky, perhaps, pending $400 adoption fee to recompense stupid owner for designer leash and collar sets, it finds a new "fur"ever home from Craigslist first, and THEN gets dumped int he shelter. SECOND, They make more damn puggles, too many puggles (or whatever, it doesn't have to be puggles. I wouldn't have my precious Chi if so many "unsophisticated" consumers didn't impulse buy Chi's after celebrities had them, get them home and THEN learn the pitfalls of the breed, and give them up to shelters) - they overbreed puggles, making poor mommy dogs spit out puppy after puppy until her bones are so depleted of calcium and her muscles of protein that she can't even walk for just being a paid-reproduction-machine. Sick mommies make sick babies. Sick babies get sick after they get home from the pet store window, driving up vet bills, the response to which might be abandoning the dog. I have ABSOLUTELY no shadow of a doubt that the sales of animals in pet stores contributes dramatically to the number of abandoned animals and animals surrendered to shelters (and thus, mostly killed - all in the name of letting a few crap people - breeders and people who sell animals - profit just a little more). Disgusting.

I realize I've rambled, but it's so sick and so disgusting not just that people DO this to animals, who have feelings and hurt and get sick and get scared, but that horrible people are out there saying awful things like "every dog needs a home" trying to make people feel like this system is ethical or appropriate.

[caseopele]

bunnycup, I completely agree. And here we have some of those impulsive customers looking for new homes for the pets they "love so much".

Jack Russell-Pure Breed up for adoption
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/pet/374662057.html

4 Month Old Female Pitt Bull Puppy
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/pet/374642477.html

Adopt 4 yr old male Akita
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/pet/374123452.html

Lovable Yellow Lab needs good home with a big yard
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/pet/374085452.html

Happy Baby daschund needs a home!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/pet/373882629.html

Pure Bred Greyhound up for adoption
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pet/373848088.html

Two Adorable Miniture Schnauzers!!!!!! Need a Home
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pet/371560954.html
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caseopele why dont you do research first before saying the dogs from pup slope are from puppy mills or back yard breeds. what kind of a store would sell dogs WITH PAPER supposedly from " puppy mills " as you say. Its funny how you get your fact. with no evidence what so ever. as for the exercise or socialization with dogs and humans. what kind of a sick freak would let a small dog outside in the streets or a dog run with out rabies shots ( must be 3 months or older to receive there shots) and let other dog and other people touch the dog. how sick would a dog get after a few walks you tell me. i am pretty sure the store has a safe area where dogs from the store can exercise and socialize with other dogs in the store with out worrying about getting a dog sick. and its might be wrong that humans make profit off selling dogs and cats , but the fact of the matter is humans makes profit off anything . dog and cats isn't the only animal human sell what about bigger pet shops with snake, lizards , birds , fishes , rabbits , hamsters and such other animals . why isn't there a hate group on that . it not our fault we became superior beings and learned how to live and do the stuff we do.

bunnycup i still believe every dog needs a home and imagine a place with out pet store r dog rescue I'm pretty sure the streets will be filled with dogs and no one to care for. unlike most country usa is a country we actually care for dogs and other animals. yes people are creating dogs to make profits so are they creating horses and other such animals. and for the person who buys these dogs thats there choice of what to do with there hard earned money. its not your fault or my fault that a dumb founded person bought a dog and decided to not to take care of it. it is that owns person fault and what they decided to do with the dog is up to them. i know its horrible for the dog but you cant blame every person for not having the right mindset of owning a animal. not every one thinks like a dog owner. and but your thing on the puggle. if some one decided to buy one because a celebrity has one let them buy one. this whole world is driven by media and who has what and what shot and whats not . I'm pretty sure you have seen some one or a famous person buying some and decided ooh that looks cool i would want to get that. let people follow what they want to follow. why do you think every one in this earth has a ipod. yeah i know you like to ramble but i like to ramble a lot to . and by the way check you spelling .



and another thing if there isn't a shortage on dogs needing homes why is it that you are advertising so many dogs that needs home or recommending people to get dogs ??? that does not make sense

[caseopele]

where you be at, this is from the HSUS website:

Purebreed registration papers only state the recorded lineage of a dog. Accuracy of the reported lineage cannot be guaranteed. The American Kennel Club (AKC), the most widely recognized purebred dog registry, readily notes that it "is not itself involved in the sale of dogs and cannot therefore guarantee the health and quality of dogs in its registry." Clearly, it is "buyer beware."

http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our.....on_puppy_mills/index.html

Pet stores cater to impulsive buyers and consumers seeking convenient transactions.These stores don't interview prospective buyers to ensure responsible, lifelong homes for the pets they sell, and the stores may be staffed by employees with limited knowledge about pets and pet care.

A "USDA-inspected" breeder does not mean a "good" breeder. Be wary of claims by pet store staff that they sell animals only from breeders who are "USDA-inspected." The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) enforces the federal law called the Animal Welfare Act (AWA), which regulates commercial breeding operations. But the act doesn't require all commercial breeders to be licensed, and the USDA establishes only minimum-care standards in enforcing this law. Breeders are required to provide food, water, and shelter—but not love, socialization, or freedom from confining cages. Many USDA-licensed and inspected puppy mills operate under squalid conditions with known violations of the AWA.

Purebred "papers" do not guarantee the quality of the breeder or the dog. Even the American Kennel Club (AKC) readily admits that it "cannot guarantee the quality or health of dogs in its registry."

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_adoption_information/buying_a_puppy/

Socialization doesn't have to be done in a dog run or with strange dogs. What about the other puppies for sale? Aren't they able to be with each other or are they kept seperated? Because keeping a puppy completely isolated is really a good thing.

I wasn't aware that puppies had to be kept away from people too, is every person going into a pet store washing their hands before touching the puppies? Or that they had to wait until 3 months to get "there shots". Silly me, I thought they started at 6-8 weeks. But I'll leave that to shishkab since I'm not the vet tech.

Are you serious with your last question? What didn't you understand about the previous posts? There are too many cats and dogs out there that need homes, they're competing with the pet store puppies and kittens. There aren't enough homes for all the homeless cats and dogs, there is no need to breed even more. Designer breeds like puggles and maltipoos? People are paying hundreds of dollars for mutts when they could save the life of a mutt in a shelter. For every puppy born to a BYB or puppy mill, a dog in a shelter dies. That is seriously wrong.

For someone telling me to do some research you're doing remarkably little of your own. Yet, you seem to be so sure that Pup Slope doesn't get their puppies from puppy mills or BYB's. And that they have "a safe area where dogs from the store can exercise and socialize with other dogs in the store". I think I smell a shill.
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