Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 Location: Montgomery st.
Wed Aug 01, 07 10:34 pm EST
was driving last night to pick up some food and was pulled over by the cops and detained over night for driving on a suspended liscence. My liscence was not suspended they had an error in their computer and I was jailed overnight. When I was in there, there were so many people who were there for all types of bullshit. People were being held in jail overnight for things such as
1. Illegal left turn
2. Spitting in public
3. walking through the car doors in the train
4. J walking
5. driving on (false) suspended liscence like myself
and then of course you had a lot of people detained overnight for
marijauna possesion.
This is bullshit!!!! I don't really know what else to do other than warn everyone and let them know what's happening. So many cases were just dismissed this morning by the judge. Mine was adjourned but I just spent a whole night and most of the day in jail while the cops had no proof or anything pertaining to my and most everyone else's wrongdoing. The majority of the people detained last night were just there for bull shit. Everybody be fucking careful out there. They are picking people the fuck up and putting them away for the night over bullshit!!! _________________ the comming of a newmovement
King without a crown Ninja
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 905
Thu Aug 02, 07 12:43 am EST
If you were jailed in error you would've been released from either the precinct station house or Central Booking. That fact that your case was adjourned means that there was no error nor a wrongful arrest. Next time answer your moving violations and you wont get locked up.
P.S. Its not bullshit to another driver or pedestrian when you're involved in a accident and you have no insurance due to your "license" being suspended.
Guvna I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 525 Location: Clinton/Myrtle
Thu Aug 02, 07 9:56 am EST
Sounds like there are probably stories behind the stories. J walking, spitting, wrong turns, walking between subway cars, all in front of cops can give them reasons to stop you. If they discover warrants, unpaid fines, etc you can be arrested. Just a thought.
Also, if your license wasnt suspended, I find it strange that they couldnt discover that prior to arresting you. I once had 5 or 6 cop cars converge on my car from both directions on a one way street, guns drawn and all. They had me there (with my father and sister) for a while as they checked us out and also checked their computers. They let us go after realising that there was an error in their system reporting the car as stolen. The car was not searched. Sometimes shit happens. _________________ . . . I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you . . .
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3138 Location: Underhill Ave.
Thu Aug 02, 07 11:01 am EST
King without a crown wrote:
If you were jailed in error you would've been released from either the precinct station house or Central Booking. That fact that your case was adjourned means that there was no error nor a wrongful arrest. Next time answer your moving violations and you wont get locked up.
P.S. Its not bullshit to another driver or pedestrian when you're involved in a accident and you have no insurance due to your "license" being suspended.
KWAC - they also arrest you if you have an outstanding summons (such as parking, etc.). This happened in two separate incidents with two people I know (one of whom posts here). The police arrested them and even though what they were doing (one was riding a bike on the sidewalk, the other was drinking a beer outside his office) was a relatively harmless infraction. They were made to go through booking and sent to see a judge. Both of them had their cases dismissed and they still did not have to pay the original fine! This has to be the BIGGEST waste of taxpayers money and police officers', and the court system's time.
Also when one of the people I mentioned above was arrested I went to to the precinct to find out what to do next. There was a bust of 7 people who were caught at the weed spot on Washington. One of the guys told the police officer that he was the brother of another cop and 6 of those busted started to get processed and before I even got any info on the person I was there for - that 7th guy (who said he was related to a cop) walked out of there. So what have I learned from all this – its not what you did or what you know its WHO you know. Does this seem fair to you?
goo-lee-ani Guest
Thu Aug 02, 07 1:53 pm EST
A while back they had TNT; Tuesday and Thursdays they would make arrests through out NYC in the hundreds. A lot of them were bullshit, the whole program was bullshit. Media took it as crime being down but when you get detained for littering that should not be counted as an arrest in the stats.
King without a crown Ninja
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 905
Fri Aug 03, 07 12:27 am EST
An unpaid parking summons does not turn into a warrant. an unanswered moving violation will result in a suspension of a drivers license. In most cases for a summonsable offense, the offender is issued a summons. If the person has a Warrant a summons may not be issued. Whether or not you deem their actions as harmless is irrelavent. If you obey the law you don't get summonses, if you dont respond to your summonses there are consequences. The consequence of not responding to a criminal court summons = warrant.
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3138 Location: Underhill Ave.
Fri Aug 03, 07 10:29 am EST
King without a crown wrote:
An unpaid parking summons does not turn into a warrant. an unanswered moving violation will result in a suspension of a drivers license. In most cases for a summonsable offense, the offender is issued a summons. If the person has a Warrant a summons may not be issued. Whether or not you deem their actions as harmless is irrelavent. If you obey the law you don't get summonses, if you dont respond to your summonses there are consequences. The consequence of not responding to a criminal court summons = warrant.
Yes but in the beer situation I mentioned the person had an outstanding summons for a bicycle (which he thought was taken care of), and did not, at the time of his arrest have a suspended license. He was told he would have just received a summons for the beer drinking but since he had an unpaid summons he had to be arrested. How did the unpaid summons turn into a criminal warrant?
homeowner "Way Too Incestial"
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 2116 Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Fri Aug 03, 07 10:43 am EST
I think alot of us who grew up in the city remember the days when you could take your parking tickets and toss them in the trash and it seemed like there were no consequenses. No more. Today they will pull your license in a moment. You have to read the letters you get from the city and respond or show up in court or else.
It amazes me the number of people that I know that will not open mail and just think that they can let this stuff slide. The truth is that the city is way more efficient now and they will get you coming and going if possible.
King without a crown Ninja
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 905
Fri Aug 03, 07 10:52 am EST
A bicyclist is issued a Criminal Court summons 99% of the time, IE: Reckless Operation of a Bicycle. In a few instances a moving violation my be issued to a Bicyclist, such as Disobeying a Steady Red Signal or other traffic infractions. Your friend is either not being forthcoming with you or either is misinformed. A criminal court summons requires a personal appearance a 346 Broadway in Manhattan. The only criminal court summons in which an appearance may be waived, is for Alcohol consumption in a which a mail in penalty is accepted.
bolletje Regular
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 110
Fri Aug 03, 07 11:32 am EST
Actually, I heard on the news that they were going to crack down more on people bicycling on the sidewalk.
Guest 007 Guest
Fri Aug 03, 07 11:50 am EST
A night in jail for j walking - what are they sick? How about someone finally arrests the drunk retard who always shits on my neighbor's stoop.
Guvna I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 525 Location: Clinton/Myrtle
Fri Aug 03, 07 12:09 pm EST
Just obey the law. It works 99% of the time. While the cops are not all geniuses, they generally havent found ways to make my life hell during my 26 years in NYC. But then, I pay my fines, respond to summonses, dont spit where they can see me, smoke or posses weed, etc.
The small things become big things if you dont take care of them and then get caught doing more. Add to that, quality of life issues are being focused on because it is thought that bigger crimes occur more when quality of life issues are not enforced. I'm all for it. _________________ . . . I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you . . .
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3138 Location: Underhill Ave.
Fri Aug 03, 07 12:14 pm EST
King without a crown wrote:
A bicyclist is issued a Criminal Court summons 99% of the time, IE: Reckless Operation of a Bicycle. In a few instances a moving violation my be issued to a Bicyclist, such as Disobeying a Steady Red Signal or other traffic infractions. Your friend is either not being forthcoming with you or either is misinformed. A criminal court summons requires a personal appearance a 346 Broadway in Manhattan. The only criminal court summons in which an appearance may be waived, is for Alcohol consumption in a which a mail in penalty is accepted.
Thanks for explaining it but just to let you know that the person I am referring to is my husband. A bike messenger was using my husband's name on a phony id and racked up hundreds of dollars in bicycle fines. There was never a notice that was sent to our home. He spent 3 months appearing at court to clear it up (each time the issuing police officer stated that he was not the person who he issued the summons to). He received an order stating at all these summons were dismissed. When he told me that was the reason they were holding him I went to the precinct with the proof. That's why I was so let down by the police when I told them the whole story, explained it to them, they said there was nothing they could do yet they let the drug buying brother of a police officer was let go.
alafairnadia radical quellist
Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 8272 Location: not washington ave. btwn sterling & st. johns
Fri Aug 03, 07 12:53 pm EST
stacey wrote:
King without a crown wrote:
A bicyclist is issued a Criminal Court summons 99% of the time, IE: Reckless Operation of a Bicycle. In a few instances a moving violation my be issued to a Bicyclist, such as Disobeying a Steady Red Signal or other traffic infractions. Your friend is either not being forthcoming with you or either is misinformed. A criminal court summons requires a personal appearance a 346 Broadway in Manhattan. The only criminal court summons in which an appearance may be waived, is for Alcohol consumption in a which a mail in penalty is accepted.
Thanks for explaining it but just to let you know that the person I am referring to is my husband. A bike messenger was using my husband's name on a phony id and racked up hundreds of dollars in bicycle fines. There was never a notice that was sent to our home. He spent 3 months appearing at court to clear it up (each time the issuing police officer stated that he was not the person who he issued the summons to). He received an order stating at all these summons were dismissed. When he told me that was the reason they were holding him I went to the precinct with the proof. That's why I was so let down by the police when I told them the whole story, explained it to them, they said there was nothing they could do yet they let the drug buying brother of a police officer was let go.
what a freakin' nightmare! I'd be furious about it. *hugs* _________________ like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
johnife Regular
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 67
Fri Aug 03, 07 4:28 pm EST
Let's face it, the reputation of the NYPD among the less privileged of the City has been in tatters for years and is, even for a significant proportion of the more affluent population, extremely suspect. If you're a political protester, group cyclist, civil rights activist (or engaged in any one of dozens of other "out of the mainstream" but perfectly legal activities) whatever your social/economic stratum you're subject to censure, arrest and even imprisonment by the force that claims to embody the principles of "Courtesy Professionalism and Respect". Hell, you can only be walking down the street on the way to pick up a rental car to take your daughter toa college interview and you get the boys in blue rifling through you pockets:
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t.....&highlight=stop+frisk
Guvna I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 525 Location: Clinton/Myrtle
Fri Aug 03, 07 6:03 pm EST
stacey wrote:
King without a crown wrote:
A bicyclist is issued a Criminal Court summons 99% of the time, IE: Reckless Operation of a Bicycle. In a few instances a moving violation my be issued to a Bicyclist, such as Disobeying a Steady Red Signal or other traffic infractions. Your friend is either not being forthcoming with you or either is misinformed. A criminal court summons requires a personal appearance a 346 Broadway in Manhattan. The only criminal court summons in which an appearance may be waived, is for Alcohol consumption in a which a mail in penalty is accepted.
Thanks for explaining it but just to let you know that the person I am referring to is my husband. A bike messenger was using my husband's name on a phony id and racked up hundreds of dollars in bicycle fines. There was never a notice that was sent to our home. He spent 3 months appearing at court to clear it up (each time the issuing police officer stated that he was not the person who he issued the summons to). He received an order stating at all these summons were dismissed. When he told me that was the reason they were holding him I went to the precinct with the proof. That's why I was so let down by the police when I told them the whole story, explained it to them, they said there was nothing they could do yet they let the drug buying brother of a police officer was let go.
Thats horrible. Still, it sounds like an administrative issue with the system not updating the info so that the cops know that all summonses were dismissed AND why. That is shocking, and the bike messenger truly sucks. _________________ . . . I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you . . .
annoyed Regular
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 79
Sat Aug 04, 07 3:37 am EST
This is one of their tactics to get as many fingerprints and DNA and people in general in the system as possible. Thats all its really about. Probably some retaliation for the dead cop too. They still on that you know.
Guest
Sat Aug 04, 07 8:58 am EST
annoyed wrote:
...retaliation for the dead cop too. They still on that you know.
Probably a good time for criminals to lay low and be on good behavior
filmlover44 Funk Soul Sister
Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 1185 Location: No Man's/Woman's Land
Tue Aug 07, 07 7:45 pm EST
goo-lee-ani wrote:
A while back they had TNT; Tuesday and Thursdays they would make arrests through out NYC in the hundreds. A lot of them were bullshit, the whole program was bullshit. Media took it as crime being down but when you get detained for littering that should not be counted as an arrest in the stats.
Yep. A couple of friends of mine were making phone calls from phone booths (dead cell phone or something like that), calling their wives and were put in jail for that. I guess a Black guy and a White guy making phone calls from phone booths is against the law. Unfortunately for the cops, they had no drugs on them so they had to let them go. No apology, no nothing.
And then, someone told me a story recently about how his wife was in bed-stuy with a friend with a baby and their car was hit by some cops during a chase. Luckily nobody was hurt, but the car was totaled. No compensation. Nothing.
There isn't a damned thing that you can do about this stuff. It's all legal. _________________ Ok, now I'm crazy. Another goal achieved.
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filmlover44 Funk Soul Sister
Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 1185 Location: No Man's/Woman's Land
Tue Aug 07, 07 7:48 pm EST
johnife wrote:
Let's face it, the reputation of the NYPD among the less privileged of the City has been in tatters for years and is, even for a significant proportion of the more affluent population, extremely suspect. If you're a political protester, group cyclist, civil rights activist (or engaged in any one of dozens of other "out of the mainstream" but perfectly legal activities) whatever your social/economic stratum you're subject to censure, arrest and even imprisonment by the force that claims to embody the principles of "Courtesy Professionalism and Respect". Hell, you can only be walking down the street on the way to pick up a rental car to take your daughter toa college interview and you get the boys in blue rifling through you pockets:
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t.....&highlight=stop+frisk
And there isn't a damned thing that you can do about it (unless the NYCLU gets involved, which they only do for the most outragous incidents like the what happened at the RNC or F15 and those cases are still going on years later). It's all LEGAL. _________________ Ok, now I'm crazy. Another goal achieved.
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While the cops are not all geniuses, they generally havent found ways to make my life hell during my 26 years in NYC. But then, I pay my fines, respond to summonses, dont spit where they can see me, smoke or posses weed, etc.
