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nkotsonis

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Post Wed Sep 12, 07 12:48 pm EST     Reply with quote

The city in it's infinite wisdom has revoked the permits we had for the planters along union street.
They have given us 30 days to remove the concrete planters.
The reason they gave was that there must be no obstructions on city property. Since the sidewalks are owned by the city, we must remove the planters that have been there for over 25 years.
So in 30 days, the planters from BHS all the way to Tasti-d-lite and the bench will be removed.
The planters across the street at 92-7th Avenue will also have to be removed, because they were on the same permit.
So say goodbye to the planters from Bank of America down to NuNu Gallery.
If anyone knows how to stop this, please do so. It's a shame that there will be no plant life allowed on these corners.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 12:43 am EST     Reply with quote

That's bullshit. What are they obstructing? Those sidewalks are alot wider than most sidewalks, there's plenty of room to walk, and the planters add some green to that block. Did they not notice any of this or do they just not care as long as rules are followed to the letter of the law? Ridiculous.
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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 7:06 am EST     Reply with quote

Let me know what to sign and where, and I'll do it. That's absurd.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 7:44 am EST     Reply with quote

Request: Can anybody post a photo of the Union Street planters?

This does seem bizarre - the posting here may give the issue higher visibility:

http://www.dailyslope.com/2007/09/13/goodbye-.....or-union-street-planters/

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 11:13 am EST     Reply with quote

A good first step is to involve your local NYC Council person and start the process of raising hell through those channels.
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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 11:59 am EST     Reply with quote

Are they doing new sidewalks on that street? I noticed the sidewalk ripped out and curbs being redone by the Coop, just down the block.

You should apply for tree wells!
I think the city has been doing a bunch of site surveys around here (remember they were looking at going one way on the avenues, AND the city just installed bike racks on both sides of that street) so maybe they found congestion there. I can see that - it's a super busy corner. From the parks dept site, it looks like they frown on brick and concrete structures.
www.nycgovparks.org/.../images_and_pdfs/NYC-P.....Permit-and-Guidelines.pdf

But that stretch seriously needs green cover. Tree wells!

from http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_faqs/park_faqs.html#t2
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How can I get a tree planted in front of my property?

There are two ways to have a tree planted in front of your property. The first option for planting trees is to contact your local community board, which submits a list of tree requests twice a year to Parks. Please note that a request form signed by the property owner is necessary in order to receive a tree. These trees are planted on a first-come, first-serve basis. There is usually a greater demand for trees than we can service in any one season, so there may be a one to two season lag time between the request and the planting. To identify your community board, consult the blue pages of the telephone book or call 311 .

Go to the Community Boards page.

Your second option is to apply for a free permit through your Borough Forestry Office and arrange for a private planting at your own expense. If a sidewalk tree pit needs to be excavated, you must also obtain a permit from the Department of Transportation (DOT). The Borough DOT permit offices are: Bronx (718) 931-3388; Brooklyn (718) 780-8088; Manhattan (212 442-7949; Queens (718) 286-2731; and Staten Island (718) 816-2367.

Go to the Forestry page


VERY good idea to call your councilperson -- who I think is DiBlasio, who should be responsive to this kind of thing.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 1:17 pm EST     Reply with quote

Those big concrete planters are ugly. Sorry, but the greenery within does not prevent them from being an eyesore. Hopefully you will be permitted to put trees in.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 1:44 pm EST     Reply with quote

Here's a Google StreetView that shows the planters:
http://tinyurl.com/2w4xss

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 1:56 pm EST     Reply with quote

Told ya! You need crocs to manoeuver around those things without stubbing a toe. Can we have something a bit more chic? Something more in line with the new demographic of the area?

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 2:06 pm EST     Reply with quote

I agree that something in-ground would be more appealing. I'm think of the tree pits further down Union between 5th and 6th. That said, I applaud the property owner for doing _something_ to beautify the street... certainly better than a blank expanse of paving.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 3:12 pm EST     Reply with quote

I would rather have the street trees. Planters attract trash and rodents.

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Post Thu Sep 13, 07 4:26 pm EST     Reply with quote

The planters certainly are better than nothing. That block could use some trees on the upper half, great idea pitu!
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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 4:08 pm EST     Reply with quote

I thank everyone for their input.
A point of fact though, there cannot be any planted trees, because both of the corners are bus stops.
That was the reason why we had put the planters in the beginning, and was originally approved by the Koch administration.
If anyone has any othere alternatives, please feel free to tell me.
Thanks.

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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 4:45 pm EST     Reply with quote

The planters look terrible - at least 1/3rd of the plants are completely brown, dead, and dried up. There are weeds growing out of the bases, and they're filled with garbage. They are an eyesore.

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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 6:28 pm EST     Reply with quote

They are NOT brown and they add some green. It is the end of summer, unless you plant evergreens, shit changes and leaves die then bloom again.
Jesus people are whinny. If they were not there you'd be complaining that someone should put them in.
I, for one, am all pro-green. More shrubs/trees please. Anything is better that hot pavement.
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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 7:52 pm EST     Reply with quote

As I recall, the planters in question have an evergreen planted in . . . not anything else. At least on Union. But let's be honest and admit they won't help Union St win a Green Block contest - they are a little ratty looking, Mamacita.

BUMMER about tree wells and bustops.

nkotsonis, I'd still call DiBlasio's office.
And I'm wondering if the space west of the bench is treewell safe, enough out of bus range...

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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 8:10 pm EST     Reply with quote

Mamcita - I live on the block and walk past them daily. Most of them are dead and all of them are ratty looking.

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Post Mon Sep 17, 07 8:25 pm EST     Reply with quote

(sigh)
This would be the time of year they'd look their best, if they were well-planted and maintained.
But the city didn't tell you to move them because they're an eyesore, right? Or were there complaints?
I bet it's a space and traffic flow issue. That bit of Union St is relatively barren, with a long half a block of baked pavement.
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Post Thu Sep 20, 07 11:30 am EST     Reply with quote

I'm a reporter at the Brooklyn Paper and I'm interested in doing a story on this. I'd like to hear from people who are for and against the planters, so if you feel strongly about this. Please reach out to hutton@brooklynpaper.com
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Post Thu Sep 20, 07 1:56 pm EST     Reply with quote

I appreciate everyone's comments about the planters and the condition of the trees, by the way Pitu, there weren't any complaints.
In trying to keep this in a positive light. I would be perfectly willing to work with the community board and the area to solve this problem.
This could be a good time to have a BID like program to take care of the trees and planters in the area.
My father recently recalled how the trees along 6th avenue were planted back in 1963. Brooklyn in the fifties and early sixties barely had any trees. The old community in Park Slope, mostly Italian and Irish, actually fought against the trees being planted.
Anyway, any positive input would be greatly appreciated.

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Post Thu Sep 20, 07 3:34 pm EST     Reply with quote

nkotsonis wrote:
I appreciate everyone's comments about the planters and the condition of the trees, by the way Pitu, there weren't any complaints.
In trying to keep this in a positive light. I would be perfectly willing to work with the community board and the area to solve this problem.
This could be a good time to have a BID like program to take care of the trees and planters in the area.
My father recently recalled how the trees along 6th avenue were planted back in 1963. Brooklyn in the fifties and early sixties barely had any trees. The old community in Park Slope, mostly Italian and Irish, actually fought against the trees being planted.
Anyway, any positive input would be greatly appreciated.

It's true. Any examination of old photos of the avenues [and some of the streets] below 8th Avenue in the Slope show there was little if any tree cover. If you have a tax picture of your building that was taken just before WWII you'll know what I'm talking about. My picture has no trees to be seen, and the building is in the center Slope near John Jay. I assume on 7th Ave and Union the lack of green was because of trolleys and their overhead wires ... and now that you look at it, 5th Avenue south of Byrne Park at 3rd St and all of 4th Avenue is in severe need of greenery. NKotsonis does have the problem of being surrounded by bus stops which need unimpeded access [excepting shelters].

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