with economic conditions being what they are in prospect heights and brooklyn beyond, raging against the dying of the non-light is predominantely an exercise in fist-shaking: somewhat therapeutic, ultimately meaningless. the transformation of the neighborhood is well underway, and, while fledgling in some locations, an inevitability there as well. thus, thought and concern need to be directed not towards if things will change, but how they will change. a degree of homogenity is likely, but the end results of gentrification need not be identical; while both mutated neighborhoods, fort greene and cobble hill are very different.
the question that remains to be decided is not if new people are going to move in, but which new people will be dropping anchor. fort greene and cobble hill are different because different types of people moved into each respective area; fort greene is diverse, stylish and bohemian while cobble hill is corny, yuppified and worthless. which way will prospect heights and crown heights go? well, if you've spotted some of the lames who have recently moved into the area, you already the crystal ball is reading park slopish.
the only people who have any real say in who moves in are landlords. and most property owners probably view new arrivals as little more than cash cows with bloated udders full of precious buttermilk. as long as rent is paid on time, they don't care who moves in. this must change. the only way to control the neighborhood's destiny is to implore landlords to follow simple guidelines when renting out property.
if you must rent to people coming from outside of the community, please abide by the following:
don't rent to anyone that was in a frat or sorority. don't rent to anyone who wears black pants, a blue shirt and a gold tie to work. don't rent to anyone who gushes about the opening of a sushi restaurant on franklin without at least considering that every new business catering to recent arrivals ratchets up the cycle of neighborhood replacement. don't rent to anyone who works in equity trading, i-banking or finance in general. don't rent to anyone who describes things as "sketch" (a term only used by people who aren't from the area they're describing). don't rent to anyone who wears a dirty white baseball cap. don't rent to anyone who played lacrosse (unless they're indians). don't rent to anyone who like totally talks in that cringe-inducing neo-valley girl voice.
rent to artistically-inclined people. rent to actors and musicians and painters and writers and designers and carpenters and chefs and gallery curators. rent to social workers and nurses and people who work at non-profit organizations. rent to people who are interesting, people who are intelligent, people who have hobbies, people who have dreams that consist of something other than making partner. rent to people who aren't living here as a pitstop on the way to a luxury condo. rent to people who have heard of the caribbean day parade, of the riots, people who have a rudimentary understanding of the area's history. rent to people that will contribute to the neighborhood in some way, shape or form.
with economic conditions being what they are in prospect heights and brooklyn beyond, raging against the dying of the non-light is predominantely an exercise in fist-shaking: somewhat therapeutic, ultimately meaningless. the transformation of the neighborhood is well underway, and, while fledgling in some locations, an inevitability there as well. thus, thought and concern need to be directed not towards if things will change, but how they will change. a degree of homogenity is likely, but the end results of gentrification need not be identical; while both mutated neighborhoods, fort greene and cobble hill are very different.
the question that remains to be decided is not if new people are going to move in, but which new people will be dropping anchor. fort greene and cobble hill are different because different types of people moved into each respective area; fort greene is diverse, stylish and bohemian while cobble hill is corny, yuppified and worthless. which way will prospect heights and crown heights go? well, if you've spotted some of the lames who have recently moved into the area, you already the crystal ball is reading park slopish.
the only people who have any real say in who moves in are landlords. and most property owners probably view new arrivals as little more than cash cows with bloated udders full of precious buttermilk. as long as rent is paid on time, they don't care who moves in. this must change. the only way to control the neighborhood's destiny is to implore landlords to follow simple guidelines when renting out property.
if you must rent to people coming from outside of the community, please abide by the following:
don't rent to anyone that was in a frat or sorority. don't rent to anyone who wears black pants, a blue shirt and a gold tie to work. don't rent to anyone who gushes about the opening of a sushi restaurant on franklin without at least considering that every new business catering to recent arrivals ratchets up the cycle of neighborhood replacement. don't rent to anyone who works in equity trading, i-banking or finance in general. don't rent to anyone who describes things as "sketch" (a term only used by people who aren't from the area they're describing). don't rent to anyone who wears a dirty white baseball cap. don't rent to anyone who played lacrosse (unless they're indians). don't rent to anyone who like totally talks in that cringe-inducing neo-valley girl voice.
rent to artistically-inclined people. rent to actors and musicians and painters and writers and designers and carpenters and chefs and gallery curators. rent to social workers and nurses and people who work at non-profit organizations. rent to people who are interesting, people who are intelligent, people who have hobbies, people who have dreams that consist of something other than making partner. rent to people who aren't living here as a pitstop on the way to a luxury condo. rent to people who have heard of the caribbean day parade, of the riots, people who have a rudimentary understanding of the area's history. rent to people that will contribute to the neighborhood in some way, shape or form.
thanks,
young snitch
It's incredible how much this post shows closed-mindedness on your part. Who are you to judge people? Who are you to say that people who work at banks, people who talk in a certain way are not interesting, uncreative, unintelligent, and without dreams?
I can only imagine that while you are on your soapbox , you haven't a clue what you look like to folks around you. Stop bringing your judgmentalness to this board. Stop trying to think up ways to hate your neighbors who didn't grow up with you and like you. Open your own mind at the same time you ask others to open theirs.
You don't like your new neighbors? Then extend an open and friendly hand. Show them the things you want them to see and take a part of so they too can feel the love for the neighborhood you feel. Only with goodwill, sincerity and emotional generousity will people get along and become a part of the neighborhood and add to it. Not with your statements of devisiveness and intolerance. _________________ I believe in peace, bitch.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 5:44 pm EST
Young Snitch is the new Armchair Warrior. _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
SHouston Newbie
Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 11
Sun Oct 22, 06 5:58 pm EST
wait a second! young snitch! this is revolutionary!
out with the LAMES!!!!!!!!!
young snitch Regular
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 179 Location: FA
Sun Oct 22, 06 6:03 pm EST
do you think it will work, SHouston?
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Sun Oct 22, 06 6:08 pm EST
Don't rent to know-it-alls either.
Dare I ask, ys, what do YOU do for a living that A) pays the bills, and B) allows you to never compromise yourself to some sort of large corporation? And how exactly do you "contribute" to the neighborhood?
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SHouston Newbie
Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 11
Sun Oct 22, 06 6:08 pm EST
landlords lord lands in order to make money. if they can raise rents and invite i-bankers then they will do it.
i know some pretty cool people who wear suits to work, by the way. and i know some pretty lame "artistically inclined" people. it's kind of hit or miss either way, no?
heights249 Regular
Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 77
Sun Oct 22, 06 6:20 pm EST
Although I don't always agree with what he says, I do not not not think that Young Snitch is the New Armchair! Thank goodness. Although both can be devisive at least one has a point most of the time. I have to say that while his sentiments were inflammatory, which is not always a bad thing, I kinda think I agree with him... Maybe a month or two ago I wouldn't have, but I have to say recently I've found myself more and more irritated with people in the neighborhood, and I have a feeling they fit more the description of what young snitch does not want his neighbors to be. I don't want my neighbors to be that either. God I know how that sounds. But I don't. If given the choice I would go for the Fort Greene rather than the Park Slope any day, and not just because I happen to be a social worker...
I can't believe I just wrote a post about excluding people rather than being more inclusive, but hey it happens to be what I'm thinking right now. I've walked into Joyce's too many times in the past two weeks just to have to walk right back out again because of the crowd, how they treated each other, how they acted. I just had this feeling that I was surrounded by pretentiousness and it was palpable. I could be wrong, it could be just me, but that's the way its been seeming in there as of late. But I do also have to add that its not exclusively the suit and tie thing versus the flannel and chucks for me, its the attitude, how they treat people, how they live, and I think the part that of me that is in agreement with YS has noticed more empathic and diversified qualities in those whose careers align more with their values. I know not everyone can have a job as a social worker, a teacher, or an artist, and not everyone wants to or has to, but getting back to the point that we're discussing the peoples that make up our most immediate of surroundings - our neighborhood - I think I'm being most honest when I say I would rather be surrounded by those people than the financial analysts and the investment bankers. Personal preference.
young snitch Regular
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 179 Location: FA
Sun Oct 22, 06 6:36 pm EST
i'm not criticizing people who wear suits to work. my description that mentioned such items was of a particular shirt-pants-tie ensemble that is a hallmark of greasy finance hogs. i'm obviously speaking in generalities here, but that makes it easier for the thousands of landlords who are going to read this and immediately institute the guidelines with an iron-fist worthy of pinochet.
erikka:
i contribute to the neighborhood by being extraordinarily handsome. also, i sometimes let people bask in the warm glow of my humility.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:13 pm EST
You should have Pinochet as your next avatar. Surprised you're not thinking bigger about what oppressive mass murderer you can use as a smartass icon on a neighborhood blog. _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
izisharp Insider
Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 358 Location: Washington Ave
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:16 pm EST
Man, that's some snobby s**t. I'm as judgemental as the next person about folks that irritate me, but to call em out on a public message board shows a lack of class. Share those feelings with your friends if you got 'em. Posts like that are the online equivalent of some ignorant graffiti tag on someone's front door or car window.
quig Hey You Kids! Get Offa my Stoop!
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 268 Location: Undahill
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:21 pm EST
As much as I would like to violate the law to change the demographics of the 'hood.
As a landlord I look at the following:
Credit check
Court records
Previous landlord references (two back)
Now I'll take them down to the studio and ask them "so waddya think?"
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:23 pm EST
I certainly doubt many investment bankers are trying to move into Prospect Heights, so I wouldn't worry about that.
Meanwhile, there is absolutely no way to describe Snitch's letter, however much it was meant to be ironic and a bit tongue in cheek (and hell, however much I might even understand exactly what he means!), as anything other than closed-minded, prejudiced, exclusive, elitist, and a downright message of snobbery and intolerance. There is absolutely no difference between this post and a post imploring landlords not to rent to gays, jews, blacks, or any other group. It's the exact same mentality that is so pervasive in closed, prejudiced "small town in the big city" neighborhoods like Bensonhurst (not to pick on Italians), that have for decades greeted those who are different with hostility. Any lame protest that you might make that people have a choice to be a fratboy but not to be black is just an excuse for labeling a certain type of person as "other". It reminds me of how people I knew in Texas used say, "I don't hate blacks, just ni----s." The only people who deserve to be discriminated against are those people themselves.
Hey, I don't begrudge you your taste in people, and like I said, I even agree with you on some points. I certainly don't like everyone, and I have my own prejudices. But keep that shit to yourself.
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devincf Local
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 296
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:24 pm EST
young snitch wrote:
with economic conditions being what they are in prospect heights and brooklyn beyond, raging against the dying of the non-light is predominantely an exercise in fist-shaking: somewhat therapeutic, ultimately meaningless. the transformation of the neighborhood is well underway, and, while fledgling in some locations, an inevitability there as well. thus, thought and concern need to be directed not towards if things will change, but how they will change. a degree of homogenity is likely, but the end results of gentrification need not be identical; while both mutated neighborhoods, fort greene and cobble hill are very different.
the question that remains to be decided is not if new people are going to move in, but which new people will be dropping anchor. fort greene and cobble hill are different because different types of people moved into each respective area; fort greene is diverse, stylish and bohemian while cobble hill is corny, yuppified and worthless. which way will prospect heights and crown heights go? well, if you've spotted some of the lames who have recently moved into the area, you already the crystal ball is reading park slopish.
the only people who have any real say in who moves in are landlords. and most property owners probably view new arrivals as little more than cash cows with bloated udders full of precious buttermilk. as long as rent is paid on time, they don't care who moves in. this must change. the only way to control the neighborhood's destiny is to implore landlords to follow simple guidelines when renting out property.
if you must rent to people coming from outside of the community, please abide by the following:
don't rent to anyone that was in a frat or sorority. don't rent to anyone who wears black pants, a blue shirt and a gold tie to work. don't rent to anyone who gushes about the opening of a sushi restaurant on franklin without at least considering that every new business catering to recent arrivals ratchets up the cycle of neighborhood replacement. don't rent to anyone who works in equity trading, i-banking or finance in general. don't rent to anyone who describes things as "sketch" (a term only used by people who aren't from the area they're describing). don't rent to anyone who wears a dirty white baseball cap. don't rent to anyone who played lacrosse (unless they're indians). don't rent to anyone who like totally talks in that cringe-inducing neo-valley girl voice.
rent to artistically-inclined people. rent to actors and musicians and painters and writers and designers and carpenters and chefs and gallery curators. rent to social workers and nurses and people who work at non-profit organizations. rent to people who are interesting, people who are intelligent, people who have hobbies, people who have dreams that consist of something other than making partner. rent to people who aren't living here as a pitstop on the way to a luxury condo. rent to people who have heard of the caribbean day parade, of the riots, people who have a rudimentary understanding of the area's history. rent to people that will contribute to the neighborhood in some way, shape or form.
thanks,
young snitch
_________________ their world is entirely different from ours, a whole different set of rules apply, fierce, natural, savage -- it's the only way they can survive in their world.
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:27 pm EST
Oh, and I see absolutely no connection with this kind of post and Armchair Warrior's posts. Granted, AW's posts are at times bizarre, and most often incomprehensible, but I've never seen him come out with anything even remotely resembling this kind of arrogant hostility.
devincf Local
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 296
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:32 pm EST
escap is right. Young Snitch posts things that are coherent and oftn funny. Armchair Warrior posts like an autistic with ADD. The problem is that on this board certain opinions are unwelcome, no matter how they're expressed. _________________ their world is entirely different from ours, a whole different set of rules apply, fierce, natural, savage -- it's the only way they can survive in their world.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:37 pm EST
I didn't mean to compare AW's benign, friendly, neighborly posts to Snitch's misanthropic ramblings. Just that it seems to me that they both provoke strong, often negative reactions on here - Snitch deservedly, AW not so much. _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
young snitch Regular
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 179 Location: FA
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:41 pm EST
escap:
i guess i didn't realize that beneath their phi gamma epsilon football jerseys, those frat dudes aren't so different from you or me. and perhaps i could look beyond the color of the yuppie's chestnut-infused brie baggette to realize that we are all one people clustered beneath this prospect heights sun. what about nazis? can we dislike them? how about baby seal butchers? do we need to welcome them into our community with hugs and wicker baskets full of fresh-baked cookies? political correctness has reached a level that even even satire falls short of.
comparing a dislike for stockbrokers and meatheads to using slurs against racial minorities = classic material.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:41 pm EST
Also Devincf, you seem to have read escap's post as an endorsement of Snit, when it is hardly that. _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
young snitch Regular
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 179 Location: FA
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:48 pm EST
ANFIELD wrote:
You should have Pinochet as your next avatar. Surprised you're not thinking bigger about what oppressive mass murderer you can use as a smartass icon on a neighborhood blog.
^^^ fuming.
devincf Local
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 296
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:48 pm EST
This board is populated almost exclusively by people who do not understand sarcasm. _________________ their world is entirely different from ours, a whole different set of rules apply, fierce, natural, savage -- it's the only way they can survive in their world.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 7:55 pm EST
yourself included _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
devincf Local
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 296
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:01 pm EST
I've been zinged!!! _________________ their world is entirely different from ours, a whole different set of rules apply, fierce, natural, savage -- it's the only way they can survive in their world.
ANFIELD Romanian Gymnast
Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 182
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:06 pm EST
It'll never happen again. _________________ Only the dead know Brooklyn.
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:09 pm EST
young snitch wrote:
i guess i didn't realize that beneath their phi gamma epsilon football jerseys, those frat dudes aren't so different from you or me. and perhaps i could look beyond the color of the yuppie's chestnut-infused brie baggette to realize that we are all one people clustered beneath this prospect heights sun. what about nazis? can we dislike them? how about baby seal butchers? do we need to welcome them into our community with hugs and wicker baskets full of fresh-baked cookies? political correctness has reached a level that even even satire falls short of.
comparing a dislike for stockbrokers and meatheads to using slurs against racial minorities = classic material.
Hmmm, and what is comparing Nazis to stockbrokers? Also, like I said, I have nothing against your "dislike for stockbrokers and meatheads". I, too, have not known many stockbrokers or meatheads that I've liked, although I've only known three stockbrokers and none were meatheads or frat boys. In fact, they were all former Brooklyn street kids. And I understand that your post was ironic, but while you are free to dislike people, calling for discrimination against them just b/c of your own taste is completely different. The Nazis slaughtered people; you are a bigot (as were the Nazis); the Ayatollah is a tyrant; I don't know too much about seal butchers. The people you dislike are mostly guilty of being annoying and having bad taste in clothes. And investment bankers make so much money that if they ever do move to PH it will be to buy, and they will most likely be your landlord.
How about an appeal to landlords to steer clear of the closed-minded and hateful (which by coincidence would also eliminate lots of frat boys, in addition to yourself)? Happy medium?
ltjbukem "Anonymous Guest"
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 439
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:41 pm EST
young snitch, great post. i thoroughly enjoyed your soapbox speech.
but worry not - i'm in ft greene now and ironically, i do work in finance, but on weekends, i like to kick it in the selvedge denim and the nike limiteds. and as i see myself moving to prospect heights in the next year, i may well take myself over there and even out the odds against the 'lame-o's' you say are making it park-slopeish.
you definitely made some points that many others out there are thinking but don't have the cojones to state. on that alone, you get props.
escap, i beg to differ: i think there will be some i-bankers who will soon move to prospect heights and snatch up some of the prime brownstones.
qtrain Crabby Native
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535 Location: VANDERBILT THIS CITY ON ROCK AND ROLL
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:48 pm EST
young snitch wrote:
rent to... chefs..
eat FUCK
young snitch Regular
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 179 Location: FA
Sun Oct 22, 06 8:59 pm EST
ltjbukem:
see, you're a nettlesome case: an exception to the rule that lets other financiers slide in on the heels of your limited edition de la dunks. my valuable generalizations are unfairly discounted because people can trot out that one cool corporate dude who defies the mean-spirited yet completely justifiable stereotypes. a pox on your spiz'ike IVs.
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Sun Oct 22, 06 9:08 pm EST
ltjbukem wrote:
escap, i beg to differ: i think there will be some i-bankers who will soon move to prospect heights and snatch up some of the prime brownstones.
Buy, not rent. Any i-banker who rents in PH is at one shitty bank. And I still say that time is a good ways off.
And you, as an non-native buyer of a new luxury condo (built by one of the most reviled developers around, to boot), and someone whose blog is full of cheers for things like new sushi places opening up in the nabe, not to mention a life-long finance guy, are taking curious sides.
I have to admit Snitch's post is funny--credit where credit's due. But it's also extremely annoying on quite a few levels.
LeeHo Sensationalist
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 593 Location: Brevoort Pl.
Sun Oct 22, 06 9:55 pm EST
On YS's side here, of course. Let's think of a neighborhood such as the East Village. Was at a bar there the other night and found it to be intolerable because it was a Dave Matthews fest with way too many khakis, collegiate sweatshirts and the aura of date rape in the air. Even as late as 98' it was still pretty punk rock and artsy in the EV. Now, it is just plain sad. Another graveyard neighborhood in the city, blanketed by whiteness that could be found in any other region of this medicre country. It is hard to think of the city as being that exciting anymore in regards to white people in general. Most like conformity and fear individualism, or at least collectivism. It is sad that more and more of those outside forces are creeping into neighborhoods such as this. On the other hand, I spend so much of my working time with immigrants from all over the place. We should be thankful for them and for the rising numbers of which they are arriving to our city. They have hearts that are big and ideas that aren't stagnant. They also can deal with criticism and culture shock that people down the block from me simply can't. I recommend everyone sit down and take a listen to "NYC's Like a Graveyard" by The Moldy Peaches. Simply substitute "Prospect Heights" to turn it into a micro-experience. _________________ The best of men aren't at their "best" at all times.
sweet tea Cooler Ham
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 4981 Location: the jewish
Sun Oct 22, 06 10:10 pm EST
LeeHo wrote:
Even as late as 98' it was still pretty punk rock and artsy in the EV. Now, it is just plain sad. Another graveyard neighborhood in the city, blanketed by whiteness that could be found in any other region of this medicre country. It is hard to think of the city as being that exciting anymore in regards to white people in general.
i suppose this is against the rules, but screw you. at least YS's post is about behaviors, not skin color. and funny, too.
LeeHo Sensationalist
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 593 Location: Brevoort Pl.
Sun Oct 22, 06 10:17 pm EST
But I am white!!!!!! _________________ The best of men aren't at their "best" at all times.
LeeHo Sensationalist
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 593 Location: Brevoort Pl.
Sun Oct 22, 06 10:23 pm EST
I'm totally happy to be criticizing my own culture. It's kind of healthy. _________________ The best of men aren't at their "best" at all times.
doctorj Abstruse Goose
Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 2510 Location: Underbilt btwn Carwash and Parking Pl.
Sun Oct 22, 06 10:30 pm EST
LeeHo wrote:
But I am white!!!!!!
White beard, blue skin? _________________ The world will little note nor long remember what we say here. -- Abraham Lincoln
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Sun Oct 22, 06 10:39 pm EST
You know what, fuck it. I'm going to do a complete about face and say who gives a fuck--why am I getting all riled up about some silly post that even I admit was humorous. God knows I too hate frat boys who wear plaid shorts with pink polo shirts and dirty white caps (a classmate of mine was actually wearing this atrocity the other day). Shudder.
I disagree that the PH will benefit from an influx of anymore trust fund artists whose dads are corporate lawyers who finance their supposed counter-cultural creativity and phony anti-establishment cynicism. I also disagree that having good fashion sense and limited edition sneakers makes one more likely to "contribute to the neighborhood", as you called for. But you know what, I don't even live in PH, so what do I care? By all means, if non-profit workers, locals and artists are what float your boat, do as you like with your own hood.
King without a crown Ninja
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 905
Sun Oct 22, 06 11:20 pm EST
Who cares what people look like, or what people do for a living? As long as they're good honest people. I'd rather live next to a suit wearing financial banker than some section 8 subsidized crack dealer any day. The fact that new people and new faces are moving into the neighborhood is a positive thing. Intolerance of change is what leads to violence and divisiveness. What ever happened to the concept of loving thy neighbor? I've watched this neighborhood change over the past 10 years, and I welcome the new arrivals. Let them eat Sushi on Washington, let them play trumbones on St Johns Plc and Franklin. The community is only getting better and better. Unfortunately change often results in ignorance and intolerance. leaving the ignorant ones to speak the loudest.
heights249 Regular
Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 77
Sun Oct 22, 06 11:33 pm EST
In regards to the Armchair comparison - it was actually because of his comments that were inherently biggoted and malicious that I took an immediate dislike to his posts. If you look back before his blow-by-blow account of his apartment dealings or whatever it was he was doing, he would constantly post very moronic comments in regards to specific people that he had the misfortune of coming into contact with or would give blanket assertions on what should be done to today's youth - which usually involved some sort of violant act. YS's commentary was much more intellectually probing on a subject that we talk about all the time, but probably not nearly as honestly as he did. We don't have to admit to agreeing with him to be honest, but I think just posting that what he said didn't have value shuts down the dialogue much too soon. Especially when I'm right now looking at the enormous glass fortress that is being constructed on Eastern Parkway... hmmm, I wonder what the residents will have to be making to live in that thing? But whomever said that when the i-bankers come they won't be renting is right, they will be owning and they probably will be landlords (well some of them) that's why I think that this conversation is very timely and valuable.
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Mon Oct 23, 06 12:09 am EST
escap wrote:
Any i-banker who rents in PH is at one shitty bank.
Damn right.
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brooklynpotter ceramme ceramma danna
Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 4015 Location: near the square that's a circle
Mon Oct 23, 06 12:11 am EST
once upon a time, like three years ago, my building was filled with artists and designers and chefs and writers. they all left and in came the bankers and the VPs, et alia.
it used to be a really fun, creative place, not intirely unlike a dorm for those of us who wanted it to be. we kept doors open, we drank tea or wine together, lots of time we cooked for each other.
now, people barely speak in the hallways. it very seriously makes me want to move. _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
escap expatriated
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 1189
Mon Oct 23, 06 12:19 am EST
brooklynpotter wrote:
once upon a time, like three years ago, my building was filled with artists and designers and chefs and writers. they all left and in came the bankers and the VPs, et alia.
it used to be a really fun, creative place, not intirely unlike a dorm for those of us who wanted it to be. we kept doors open, we drank tea or wine together, lots of time we cooked for each other.
now, people barely speak in the hallways. it very seriously makes me want to move.
Twice upon a time (I know it's hard to imagine the area might have more than a 3 year history), many the PH bldg was filled with working class families, locals, and the poor. They all left and in came the artists, designers, et alia.
The rest continues verbatim from your original post (except for the tea and wine part).
brooklynpotter ceramme ceramma danna
Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 4015 Location: near the square that's a circle
Mon Oct 23, 06 12:21 am EST
escap wrote:
Twice upon a time (I know it's hard to imagine the area might have more than a 3 year history), many the PH bldg was filled with working class families, locals, and the poor. They all left and in came the artists, designers, et alia.
The rest continues verbatim from your original post (except for the tea and wine part).
but, at least in this case, the artists/writers that used to live here had done so for at least ten years, some longer. *they* were the pioneers _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Mon Oct 23, 06 12:26 am EST
brooklynpotter wrote:
escap wrote:
Twice upon a time (I know it's hard to imagine the area might have more than a 3 year history), many the PH bldg was filled with working class families, locals, and the poor. They all left and in came the artists, designers, et alia.
The rest continues verbatim from your original post (except for the tea and wine part).
but, at least in this case, the artists/writers that used to live here had done so for at least ten years, some longer. *they* were the pioneers
God bless all those "pioneers" out in Bushwick, living in shitty unheated lofts. I'm gonna buy each and every one of them a coonskin cap.
vanilla Carneviento Devotee
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Mon Oct 23, 06 12:34 am EST
what exactly did the artists in PS pioneer?
escap expatriated
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Mon Oct 23, 06 12:34 am EST
brooklynpotter wrote:
escap wrote:
Twice upon a time (I know it's hard to imagine the area might have more than a 3 year history), many the PH bldg was filled with working class families, locals, and the poor. They all left and in came the artists, designers, et alia.
The rest continues verbatim from your original post (except for the tea and wine part).
but, at least in this case, the artists/writers that used to live here had done so for at least ten years, some longer. *they* were the pioneers
So your point is, if you live somewhere for at least ten years, you go from "gentrifier" to "pioneer". That's an interesting take.
Well, thanks, since I guess by *they* you are referring to my parents (except in FG not PH). And you've got your time frame wrong, since my parents, who were indeed artist pioneer types, came in around 40 years ago. I'm not sure how this makes them superior to the new pioneers, or to the pioneers before them. Don't the blacks who moved into the area when it was all Italian deserve the "pioneer" mantle? Talk about ballsy. Come to think of it, those Italians were pretty pioneer-like themselves, many having come from an entirely different continent and all.
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ANFIELD wrote:
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