On the banks of the Gowanus . . .

pitu

Development just down the hill...on the banks of the Gowanus...
holy crap

jamzer

I doubt this will happen anytime soon, but it would be a good thing if it did. This area needs new life and New York City needs more housing.

raw

Where is the money coming from to support this project?

If it ever happens will, will current residents lose their homes?

evilbert

raw wrote: Where is the money coming from to support this project?

The Toll Brothers, as started in the article

raw wrote: If it ever happens will, will current residents lose their homes?

AFAIK, nobody own homes in that area - it's all industrial.

Should be a great boost to the area - Gowanus is on the verge of a huge re-vamp. It'll be an exciting time for anyone there.

hamilton

raw wrote: Where is the money coming from to support this project?

If it ever happens will, will current residents lose their homes?

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1- The same place Ratner's money is coming from-your tax dollars
2-Probably

This is another example of the rape
of Brooklyn authorized by Markowitz and profit driven builders that have been given a free hand to dispose of established neighborhoods for monetary gains



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evilbert

Hamilton wrote:

This is another example of the rape
of Brooklyn authorized by Markowitz and profit driven builders that have been given a free hand to dispose of established neighborhoods for monetary gains

What are you talking about? The development area is derelict warehouses and wasteland. Nobody lives there - how can you say this will do anything except improve the neighborhood!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.374125,60.205078&ie=UTF8&ll=40.676926,-73.99067&spn=0.001609,0.002376&t=h&z=19

hamilton

Evilbert wrote: [quote=Hamilton]

This is another example of the rape
of Brooklyn authorized by Markowitz and profit driven builders that have been given a free hand to dispose of established neighborhoods for monetary gains

What are you talking about? The development area is derelict warehouses and wasteland. Nobody lives there - how can you say this will do anything except improve the neighborhood!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.374125,60.205078&ie=UTF8&ll=40.676926,-73.99067&spn=0.001609,0.002376&t=h&z=19

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That is just the first phase of what will be a rezoning of that community and there is housing near the canal that will be subjected to overcrowding by such a large development.

Why not have a park developed similar to Riverwalk that the community can enjoy rather then be burdened with more cars and overcrowded subways.

homeowner

I remember when the Gowanus used to catch on fire and burn for days. And now people are clamoring to build there?

Gotta love NY

hamilton

Isn't that where walking on water started.

evilbert

Hamilton wrote:
That is just the first phase of what will be a rezoning of that community and there is housing near the canal that will be subjected to overcrowding by such a large development.

Overcrowding? I don't think so. Just more people moving in with more money:

http://mattsollars.com/gowanus/videos/icons/gowanus_framework.tiff

Hamilton wrote: Why not have a park developed similar to Riverwalk that the community can enjoy rather then be burdened with more cars and overcrowded subways.

1. More housing and commercial developments are needed in NYC.
2. Developments will re-vitalize Gowanus, which is presently a decaying, neglected suburb
3. A big influx of money from home and business owners will have a 'halo effect' for the rest of the area, resulting in more development, more improvements, etc
4. Because developers are not charity cases for people living in obscure Brooklyn slums.

evilbert

homeowner wrote: I remember when the Gowanus used to catch on fire and burn for days. And now people are clamoring to build there?

Gotta love NY

I was looking at office space there last week. At the rate it's going, it'll be a yuppie neighborhood with twee little corner cafes by the side of the canal within the next decade.

It's gonna be huge - the residents there seem pretty excited by what's going on.

stacey

I actually think its a good idea but I do not think that any Environmental Agency would ever give the go ahead for this type of project without a thorough clean up and I have a feeling that the toxins (as well as the STD's) probably reach down to the core of the earth

pitu

stacey wrote: I actually think its a good idea but I do not think that any Environmental Agency would ever give the go ahead for this type of project without a thorough clean up and I have a feeling that the toxins (as well as the STD's) probably reach down to the core of the earth

Good point. The nearby Whole Foods/brownfields site has been delayed for several years because it's such a petroleum cesspool.

evilbert

stacey wrote: I actually think its a good idea but I do not think that any Environmental Agency would ever give the go ahead for this type of project without a thorough clean up and I have a feeling that the toxins (as well as the STD's) probably reach down to the core of the earth

The whole earth must be rotten under that area! How do they actually go about cleaning it up? Doesn't seem like there's much they can do if it's soaked into the soil, except leave it for years of rain to wash away.

fruitbat

oooh, I can just see the ads:

"waterfront property!"

"fall asleep to the sounds of gently lapping waves!"

and of course...

"whale-watching!"

hamilton

Subject: Toxic Tots

Not to mention children that light up in the dark.

booklaw

When those kids are brought (with their strollers, of course) to the bars in the evening, is it a good thing or a bad thing that they light up in the dark? Perhaps a good thing... it'll be easier to read at the bar.

littleredmenace

Don't people already live this way in Greenpoint? Or did that underground oil spill just go away?

hamilton

LittleRedMenace wrote: Don't people already live this way in Greenpoint? Or did that underground oil spill just go away?

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No, they set up a drill in their basement and received free heating oil.

hamilton

Evilbert wrote: [quote=Hamilton]
That is just the first phase of what will be a rezoning of that community and there is housing near the canal that will be subjected to overcrowding by such a large development.

Overcrowding? I don't think so. Just more people moving in with more money:

http://mattsollars.com/gowanus/videos/icons/gowanus_framework.tiff

Hamilton wrote: Why not have a park developed similar to Riverwalk that the community can enjoy rather then be burdened with more cars and overcrowded subways.

1. More housing and commercial developments are needed in NYC.
2. Developments will re-vitalize Gowanus, which is presently a decaying, neglected suburb
3. A big influx of money from home and business owners will have a 'halo effect' for the rest of the area, resulting in more development, more improvements, etc
4. Because developers are not charity cases for people living in obscure Brooklyn slums.

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Are you in real estate ?

redmenace

Evilbert wrote:
AFAIK, nobody own homes in that area - it's all industrial.

Should be a great boost to the area - Gowanus is on the verge of a huge re-vamp. It'll be an exciting time for anyone there.

There are a great deal of artists and not-for-profit groups that have space in those industrial buildings. They will be displaced. There are dance troupes, many small publishers, not-for-profit arts organizations, artists who are famous, artists who are not famous.

This is not a good thing. I am baffled by the notion that people will pay millions of dollars to live next to an open sewer and several hazmat sites.

evilbert

Hamilton wrote:
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Are you in real estate ?

No, just the real world.

evilbert

redmenace wrote:
There are a great deal of artists and not-for-profit groups that have space in those industrial buildings. They will be displaced. There are dance troupes, many small publishers, not-for-profit arts organizations, artists who are famous, artists who are not famous.

Unless you own the building, you're there with the permission of the owner. These displaced people will have to find somewhere else. It's hardly the end of the world.

rainbowpromises

but it's also sort of irritating that every nook and cranny these people go to gets bought and repurposed. it keeps thihgs interesting to have spots that aren't scouted for development and profit continuously. it may not be logical thinking around here, but i think that's the gut instinct a lot of people have.

hamilton

Evilbert wrote: [quote=Hamilton]
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Are you in real estate ?

No, just the real world.
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Real World?

If you world is based on:

Raw sewerage.
Air pollution.
Water pollution.
Traffic congestion
Poor public transportation.
Displacement of residents.

There is an island called Manhattan which has all of that, but you probably couldn't afford to live there and were forced to move to Bklyn.