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daver

LongTimeSloper wrote: Oh, so the private school kids who can afford to go there will then be a benefit to the public?

Dude, stop getting hung up on benefiting the public. Obviously, you aren't going to believe that a private school is a benefit no matter what. That's OK. They don't have to benefit the public. All they have to do to meet their exempt purpose is further the advancement of education. Which they _do_. You could ask how a sports league or employee credit union benefits the "public" as well, both of those can be legal non-profits as well.

longtimesloper

^ Well, jamzer brought it up

daver

I wanna endowment from the school of learning to dance like Jamzer. Dat'd be schweet!

whynot_31

I want to be able to determine which non-profits are "worthy" and which aren't.... even sweeter. Think of all the kickbacks I could get

redmenace

Idlewild wrote: If she plays her cards right she an probably rake in $200-$350G's.

There would be a boatload of angry, tuition paying parents to deal with if they did that. BC is really between a rock and a hard place on this one.

metalnyc

LongTimeSloper wrote: [quote=metalnyc][quote=LongTimeSloper][quote=vidro3][quote=LongTimeSloper]And how is she trying to sheister the system? By not wanting to be thrown out of her apartment.

I guess I am missing something here-is she trying to sheister the system because she refused the buy outs from years ago? Is she trying to sheister the system because she is refusing to leave? Where is the sheistering? Please explain this to me.


One of my neighbors for years refused to be bought out of her apartment, because even with 50k -where would she go? She was a single woman who worked as a secretary for many years and did not make a lot of money-maybe 40k to 50k. So, while 50k would make a nice down payment-she wouldn't be able to afford the rest of the living expenses unless she moved out of NY which she did not want to do. Again, not everyone living in Park Slope is making 200k per year!

all good things must come to an end

Real nice attitude there, makes me so proud that some of you people are my neighbors.

damn right. i hate this feeling of entitlement that people feel they have. BC owns the place, they should be able to do as theye please with the place. PERIOD. no one owes anything to this woman just because she's lived there. not to digress, but this is why i can't stand Obama's tax plan. ugghhh!

And I love this vibe I am getting from you about how BC should be able to do whatever they want with the place period, end of story! Guess this goes for any landlord then, right? No such thing as tenants rights-let's let landlords just run willy nilly and do whatever they like with their property? Screw the guy/gal paying them rent, they deserve no rights, am I getting that correctly from you?

maybe we should start another thread about Obama's tax plan. Which part bothers you? personally I am thrilled that he doesn't wish to raise taxes on anyone making under $250k per year, only on those with incomes above that. Again, JMO of course.

if she has a lease for a stated period of time, then she has every right to fight, if she doesn't then it's the landlord's choice of what to. they own it, why shouldn't they make the earnings that are due to them.

still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

vidro3

metalnyc wrote:

still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

i know, all that taking care of those less fortunate just makes me feel icky

jamzer

I can teach all of you to dance like me. It is easy - sust sway your hips like so .......

longtimesloper

if she has a lease for a stated period of time, then she has every right to fight, if she doesn't then it's the landlord's choice of what to. they own it, why shouldn't they make the earnings that are due to them.

still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

Wow! :shock: Do you kick puppies too?

longtimesloper

vidro3 wrote: [quote=metalnyc]

still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

i know, all that taking care of those less fortunate just makes me feel icky

LMAO

longtimesloper

Jamzer wrote: I can teach all of you to dance like me. It is easy - sust sway your hips like so .......

Reminds me of my honeymoon..................

stacey

metalnyc wrote: . . . still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

Im sorry for your frustration but your post comes off as very condescending. There are many college graduates who don't earn even $50,000 a year but are performing invaluable services to their community. I am talking about social workers, teachers, police officers, etc.. Im sure most people who have jobs paying them $250,000 or more get reimbursed for any expenses they lay out but have you ever spoken to a teacher and asked them how much of their money they spend (after taxes are taken out mind you) on supplies for their class. I am not saying that you should pick up the slack forever but we need to take baby steps, then we can work on the underlying problems so that all families can improve their lives.

caseopele

metalnyc wrote: still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

Actually, I think you mean that your family was in the position to enable you to "do what you were told was right". Not everyone who didn't go to college screwed up by not paying attention in class. I wasn't able to go to college until I was 28 and that was only because I was living with someone so my expenses were cut in half. I only finished 2 years since we split up and there was no way I could afford to continue going. Also, $250,000 is a lot of freaking money to someone like me. That may not be "huge money" to you but it's pretty damn big to a lot of other people.

eggcream

Exactly. 20K is a joke.

Hamilton wrote: then offer her $132,000.00 instead of a paltry $20,000.00. I don't know what benefit she received as a renter , as she paid the required rent .
Does anyone know why she turned down the offer in the 80's,should someone address that before labeling her as greedy or an out of touch whiner..

eggcream

hitokiri wrote: [quote=eggcream]How do you know they have cash piled up? Do you know her life's story?

works at a bank.... 3 kids (1 still alive) ... if she had enough money to bring up 3 kids and is still working without the 3 living with her, i think she has some good money saved up

Damn, my car payment is 5x that amount! lol

Maybe the fact that she is still working is a clue.

I say let that dirtbag Charlie Rangel give her one of his 4 rent controlled apts.


"Mr. Rangel, who has a net worth of $566,000 to $1.2 million, according to Congressional disclosure records, paid a total rent of $3,894 monthly in 2007 for the four apartments at Lenox Terrace, a 1,700-unit luxury development of six towers, with doormen, that is described in real estate publications as Harlem’s most prestigious address.

The current market-rate rent for similar apartments in Mr. Rangel’s building would total $7,465 to $8,125 a month, according to the Web site of the owner, the Olnick Organization."

eggcream

vidro3 wrote: [quote=metalnyc]

still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

i know, all that taking care of those less fortunate just makes me feel icky

Que the violin. I'll decide what to do with MY money that I earned, not the government. Keep your hands out of my pocket.

vidro3

please 250k a year puts you in the top 5% of income earners both nation wide and in new york city.

new2hood

I'm sure it's in here somewhere, but why exactly does she deserve, or is she legally entitled to, more than 30 days notice?

vidro3

new2hood wrote: I'm sure it's in here somewhere, but why exactly does she deserve, or is she legally entitled to, more than 30 days notice?

because she lived there all her life of course.

/snark

redmenace

new2hood wrote: I'm sure it's in here somewhere, but why exactly does she deserve, or is she legally entitled to, more than 30 days notice?

she's had about 20 years notice. This really should be no surprise to her.

Just as an aside, I'm really surprised by my neighbors. I thought my nabe was very liberal and open.

metalnyc

stacey wrote: [quote=metalnyc]. . . still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

Im sorry for your frustration but your post comes off as very condescending. There are many college graduates who don't earn even $50,000 a year but are performing invaluable services to their community. I am talking about social workers, teachers, police officers, etc.. Im sure most people who have jobs paying them $250,000 or more get reimbursed for any expenses they lay out but have you ever spoken to a teacher and asked them how much of their money they spend (after taxes are taken out mind you) on supplies for their class. I am not saying that you should pick up the slack forever but we need to take baby steps, then we can work on the underlying problems so that all families can improve their lives.

see, you see me coming off condesending, but i see it condesending for anyone to think that since you make a good living you have to spread that wealth. you're seen as evil if you make a good living. the CEO who worked his way up is evil, the janitor is not. why????


and just so you know, my household does not make over $250,000. i do well, but not there yet. you say that we can work on the underlying problems so that all families can improve their lives. at who's cost? Mine! that's socialism. i work hard. i work many hours. i travel a lot. i have an EXTREMELY stressfull job. why shouldn't i and my children be able to reap the benefits?

daver

metalnyc wrote: if she has a lease for a stated period of time, then she has every right to fight, if she doesn't then it's the landlord's choice of what to. they own it, why shouldn't they make the earnings that are due to them.

Not to belabor this point or bang the drum slowly, but I will say again that this is a rent controlled apartment, and that it works differently than what some people seem to think. She actually doesn't have to have a lease at all, for instance. Rent controlled tenants are statutory tenants, meaning that they are allowed tenancy for as long as they choose to stay.

metalnyc wrote: still digressing, Obama's tax plan is absolutely ridiculous, especially for anyone in NYC. $250,00 for a family in NYC isn't huge dollars anymore and even if it was SO WHAT?!?!!! just because i did what i was told was right, by going to school and paying attention and getting a good paying job so i can give MY family a good life, I have to pay for other people because maybe THEY decided not to pay attention in school and go to college and get a good job. Socialist bullshit if you ask me!

Perhaps you don't agree with the concept of government as a whole. Dunno.

Just a chart.


And what I personally find FAR more chilling, either way ya go.

BTW- this is pre-retard bailouts.

daver

metalnyc wrote: see, you see me coming off condesending, but i see it condesending for anyone to think that since you make a good living you have to spread that wealth. you're seen as evil if you make a good living. the CEO who worked his way up is evil, the janitor is not. why????


and just so you know, my household does not make over $250,000. i do well, but not there yet. you say that we can work on the underlying problems so that all families can improve their lives. at who's cost? Mine! that's socialism. i work hard. i work many hours. i travel a lot. i have an EXTREMELY stressfull job. why shouldn't i and my children be able to reap the benefits?

One can reap benefits and yet still pay their fair share of taxes, which is generally based off a percentage of income. Let us say that a janitor makes $20k and pays $1k taxes. And that CEO, lets make him something less than that, lets say he makes $125k and pays $30k. Is that really so bad? Is he still not reaping the benefits? Would you advocate that the janitor should be chipping in his $30k as well, despite that the figure would be 50% more than he makes in a year? Would you advocate that the CEO should get to pay $1k as well, to make it fair?

metalnyc

daver wrote: [quote=metalnyc]see, you see me coming off condesending, but i see it condesending for anyone to think that since you make a good living you have to spread that wealth. you're seen as evil if you make a good living. the CEO who worked his way up is evil, the janitor is not. why????


and just so you know, my household does not make over $250,000. i do well, but not there yet. you say that we can work on the underlying problems so that all families can improve their lives. at who's cost? Mine! that's socialism. i work hard. i work many hours. i travel a lot. i have an EXTREMELY stressfull job. why shouldn't i and my children be able to reap the benefits?

One can reap benefits and yet still pay their fair share of taxes, which is generally based off a percentage of income. Let us say that a janitor makes $20k and pays $1k taxes. And that CEO, lets make him something less than that, lets say he makes $125k and pays $30k. Is that really so bad? Is he still not reaping the benefits? Would you advocate that the janitor should be chipping in his $30k as well, despite that the figure would be 50% more than he makes in a year? Would you advocate that the CEO should get to pay $1k as well, to make it fair?

this is why i am a proponent of the Flat Tax.

daver

metalnyc wrote: this is why i am a proponent of the Flat Tax.

The value of income becomes more as the total amount of income becomes less. Would you say that it is fair to tax a family of four struggling on $20k/yr the same amount as that same $20k/yr at the tip of a single high flying stock broker's $5million/yr income?

metalnyc

daver wrote: [quote=metalnyc]this is why i am a proponent of the Flat Tax.

The value of income becomes more as the total amount of income becomes less. Would you say that it is fair to tax a family of four struggling on $20k/yr the same amount as that same $20k/yr at the tip of a single high flying stock broker's $5million/yr income?

Value is subjective. If you tax the $5mil/yr stock broker so much that he can't send his 2 kids to Harvard, and they worked they asses off so they could go there, aren't you diminishing their value? (of course this is an example not using real dollars.) Like i said, you're seen as evil when you do what your supposed to do.

daver

metalnyc wrote: Value is subjective. If you tax the $5mil/yr stock broker so much that he can't send his 2 kids to Harvard, and they worked they asses off so they could go there, aren't you diminishing their value? (of course this is an example not using real dollars.) Like i said, you're seen as evil when you do what your supposed to do.

Lol. How are you going to tax the $5mil so much that he can't send his kids to college? You are talking about relatively small differences in marginal tax rates, and _totally_ overplaying the plight of the poor oppressed multimillionaires. It isn't a question of good and evil, there is nothing wrong with making $5mil/yr, there is nothing wrong with making $20k/yr. There is nothing good about being married with kids, there is nothing evil about being single. But, would you concede that perhaps it is reasonable to consider taxing a guy with a wife and four kids making $20k/yr a slightly lower rate than a single guy making $5mil/yr? Maybe? Do you really believe that it is fair to tax those two situations the exact same rate?

metalnyc

daver wrote:
Lol. How are you going to tax the $5mil so much that he can't send his kids to college? You are talking about relatively small differences in marginal tax rates, and _totally_ overplaying the plight of the poor oppressed multimillionaires. It isn't a question of good and evil, there is nothing wrong with making $5mil/yr, there is nothing wrong with making $20k/yr. There is nothing good about being married with kids, there is nothing evil about being single. But, would you concede that perhaps it is reasonable to consider taxing a guy with a wife and four kids making $20k/yr a slightly lower rate than a single guy making $5mil/yr? Maybe? Do you really believe that it is fair to tax those two situations the exact same rate?

ok, i went to the extreme with the college thing, but i wasn't trying to infer that they couldn't go to college, just that they couldn't afford Harvard. i was just trying to make the point that value is subjective, which it is. if you know anything about economics, this can be seen by utilizing indifference curves and their association to margin revenue.

im sorry, but in society you are looked at evil if you are a millionaire.

like i said. i stand by the flat tax (which also does away with deductions that the rich usually exploit).

daver

So the answer to my question then is that you _do_ in fact believe that it is fair to remove all deductions, and tax a married guy with four kids making $20k/yr the exact same rate as a single guy pulling $5mil/yr?

Your evil/good subterfuge and subjectivity aside.

germfree!

caseopele wrote: I'm sorry but I don't buy that (not you, booklaw). I sincerely doubt they employ that much staff and have that many lower-income students. I'm willing to bet they make a decent profit, no senior staff is hurting for money at that school.

Actually, they make barely any profit and they offer partial scholarships to many families, including mine.