Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me

modsquad

bebevonbernstein
You say,

if you have problems with your landlord and your pet, then move

They say:

Find a situation that allows pets. There are plenty of landlords who do allow pets. Take the time to find them. And if you're worried about a pet deposit, just think of this: what's worth more to you, a few fast-food meals or the life of a loyal friend?

You say,

if you're having allergies, go to the doctor and get meds, etc.).

They say:

Visit your doctor to find out if your allergies can be controlled through medication and/or diet. If medications do not help you entirely, then try these solutions: Allerpet/D, available in many pet stores and by mail order. Apply to pet's fur using washcloth once a week. It neutralizes the dander. Nature's Miracle works in a similar manner. Cats can be bathed in distilled water to remove their allergens. Talk with your veterinarian about these and other solutions to the allergy problem.

What can possibly be wrong with the advice they are giving? It's probably the same boilerplate advice found on thousands of other rescue sites. Over 4300 hits on this thread. Can you imagine the damage your slander has done to a small organization like this?

caseopele

bebevonbernstein wrote: Last word on the subject:

Check out the page on their website entitled: Before You Give Up Your Pet.

I stand by my reading of that page. You are, of course, free to disagree.

Ok, I've kept out of this for a while but you are completely wrong about that page. That page gives advice for people who have a pet (adopted or bought from anywhere, not from BAFN) and want to get rid of it. That page has nothing to do with BAFN's adoption policies, it's a courtesy. They're telling people what they need to do to find a home for their pet. Small rescue groups do not have the resources to take in an unlimited number of animals but they're still willing to help.

How Can BAFN Help?

While BAFN is not a typical shelter but rather a foster group, there are many things we can do to help, but only if time is not an issue.

We can list your animal at our Petfinder.com area. Please send a detailed description and any photos you may have of the pet to: [email protected]

Because BAFN is nonprofit and all-volunteer, we can help only a fraction of the deserving animals out there.

First let me say that I am not condoning any behavior exhibited by any member of BAFN. But they have seen many of the horrific things that people do to animals and the aftermath. All my pets have been rescues but I only started fostering/rescuing about 3 years ago. The shit I've dealt with, which doesn't even come close to what rescue groups see, is enough to make my opinion of humanity as a whole drop significantly. And I don't have to deal with that every day like rescue groups do. Try to imagine dealing with abused, neglected, or throw away animals every day and see what that does to you. And try working a "regular" full time job while you're doing that too.

lbleier

caseopele Well put. Thank you. let me put it another way.

To quote Mark Twain;
The more I know of people the more I like my dog

Modsquad you owe bafn $100
Pay here: http://brooklynanimalfosternetwork.org/donate.html

Anastasia You are an absolute idiot with way to much time on your hands. YOU COULDN'T DISTANCE YOURSELF FURTHER FROM BAFN. Just because I am the director of BAFN doesn't mean I have to play Joan d'Arc (or in this case Joan d'Barc) to assuage your "put off" feelings about how I should appear to people like you. That's not my job. My job is saving animals not your opinion of me, my niece, my volunteers, my supporters or my friends. Got it?

courtneybleier

This thread has to end. Im too disgusted to keep following it.

booklaw

To summarize this thread: BAFN and its director seem to feel that animals matter, and people don't.

If an animal has been abused, then it's no big deal if people get bitten in the process of finding a home for the animal. If people get bitten, and want damages, they're being cruel and indifferent to the fate of other animals on whose care the money could be spent.

People (especially those who do not concern themselves with rescuing abused animals)'s welfare evidently just isn't as important as that of abused animals.

Right?

modsquad

Donation Details
Donation amount:$100.00 USD
Total:$100.00 USD
Purpose:The Brooklyn Animal Foster Network, Incorporated
Contributor:modsquad on behalf of bebevonbernstein

Recipient information
Donations coordinator:Brooklyn Animal Foster Network
Contact email:[email protected]

Your Unconfirmed Address

Mailing information:--------------------
------
brooklyn, NY -----
United States

Receipt Number: 2497-1852-6029-3381

courtneybleier

booklaw wrote: To summarize this thread: BAFN and its director seem to feel that animals matter, and people don't.

If an animal has been abused, then it's no big deal if people get bitten in the process of finding a home for the animal. If people get bitten, and want damages, they're being cruel and indifferent to the fate of other animals on whose care the money could be spent.

People (especially those who do not concern themselves with rescuing abused animals)'s welfare evidently just isn't as important as that of abused animals.

Right?

No no no, what's cruel is us giving him money for the pants (that part is fine) and then discussing that this would go on no further. I remember reading above somewhere, someone saying 'if he wanted more than that, he should have had the balls to say it then'. Rather than stating that the money was enough, and give us his word on the situation. THEN starting this obnoxious thread, and making a huge deal out of something that ended when it started. You get no credibility.

We think people dont matter?? come on now.

anastasia beaverhausen

Call me a name again and I WILL show up at your next event and you can try calling me an idiot to my face. I never ONCE resorted to name calling, Laurie. I stated my opinion of how you handled this situation. Grow up.

lbleier

I look forward to seeing you. We will be at 7th Avenue and 4th Street on Sunday. 11:30am.

anastasia beaverhausen

I'll be there informing everyone who stops to be wary - as your animals have a history of lunging and biting people who walk by.

lbleier

Sure you will. I'll return Modsquad's donation if you do. Even though we could use the money. You see, you are the kind of person we call an armchair rescuer. You sit in your chair and you post about rescue groups and rescuers. How to do this, when to do that. In fact, we will have a chair waiting for you with a "director's sign" on the back "Anastasia Beaverhausen?"

anastasia beaverhausen

Why don't you tell the kind people why some shelters have disallowed you from pulling animals out of them?

You're what's called a "hoarder." You take on too many animals that you cannot possibly care for - thereby neglecting them. YOU alone, Laurie, are the reason that this maladjusted dog was out on the street and why a good dog with no history of aggression got the needle that day. Live with that.

tajmb

lbleier wrote: Just because I am the director of BAFN doesn't mean I have to play Joan d'Arc (or in this case Joan d'Barc) to assuage your "put off" feelings about how I should appear to people like you. That's not my job. My job is saving animals not your opinion of me, my niece, my volunteers, my supporters or my friends. Got it?

You're still missing the point. The fact is you act like you do see yourself as Joan of Arc, as some kind of martyr for a cause who should be allowed to behave anyway she wants in that name. You are missing the connection between the opinions of the public and your ability to save these animals. Because of the way you, your niece and volunteers have commented here and acted in public, I and others here will never adopt animals from your group or donate to your organization. I will go to a group that does not set up cages of sickly kittens in the freezing wind or blazing sun. Your actions, not mine, have caused these animals harm.

lbleier

Anastasia, tell that to the 2,300 people who signed the petition here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/this-is-a-petition-to-get-charlene-pedrolie-out-of-acc-please-help-save-animals-from-being

By the way there are now 20+ groups who have been banned from pulling animals from the kill-shelters in NYC including Angel's Gate who was on Oprah twice this year. Emmalinda of Care, a New Yorker of the Week in August, New Yorkers for Companion Animals (NYCA), Care, Dogs in Danger and a ton more.

Again more of Anastasia talking about that which she knows CLOSE TO NOTHING of she speaks.

650 individuals and families have fostered for BAFN. I have one dog and 3 cats in my house. Hoarder??

See you Sunday?

cncrnprnt72

Laurie -

If you REALLY want to help animals, you'll keep your mouth shut.

lbleier

I will save animals with or without the 5 or 6 people who have commented so negatively on this board.

brooklynpotter

lbleier wrote:

Anastasia You are an absolute idiot with way to much time on your hands.

ok, i'm not a mod but the board rules specifically say no name-calling. and this sentence, quite frankly, is exactly why i'd work with another rescue org.

anastasia beaverhausen

She's obviously crazy. I know, I know - name calling but I'm calling a spade a spade. She claims that she can do her job without the "5 or 6 people who have commented so negatively on this board" yet she can't help foaming like a rabid dog over each and every post. Her petulant behavior way back in the beginning of this thread caused me to yank my financial support of this organization, now her threatening, crazy behavior has made me act just like her. I apologize to all who had to read it. Its now on her to deal with the fact that several people will read this thread, they may or may not comment, but will be just as effected by her insensitivity as well as her insane rambling replies and the animals will suffer because of it. Good job, BAFN.

homeowner

Everyone consider yourselves warned. We will lock this thread if the name calling continues. For those of you that are new to the board read The Rules. Please note the following

* Be nice. If you can't be nice, go to a different website. "Nice" does not mean kittens and rainbows. More like, "general level of civil decorum." It's OK to argue and disagree, and in fact we encourage it, but don't stoop to personal attacks, name calling, shouting wild generalizations like "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF GENTRIFYING YUPPIES", or other childish behavior.

mcohen

Everyone here will have their opinions, and all will feel justified. BAFN will continue to do the right thing which is try and find homes for shelter dogs and believe me when I say they are pretty careful about what they choose to pull in terms of safety and adoptability. And yes, they do work with the dogs before showing them on 7th. No one can settle this since everyone feels justified in there feelings. G-d willing we can find homes for these pets and yes BAFN does take back pets that are adopted if there is a problem, and yes BAFN does help with advise and in some cases expenses, when necessary to help the adoptee. Lets get on with our day.........

courtneybleier

I will be there on Sunday as well. Enough with this silly thread. Have something to say, good or bad, we don't care. We will continue being superheroes to these animals, whether some think we are or not.
Have a good one.

susanderavish

lbleier wrote: Sure you will. I'll return Modsquad's donation if you do. Even though we could use the money. You see, you are the kind of person we call an armchair rescuer. You sit in your chair and you post about rescue groups and rescuers. How to do this, when to do that. In fact, we will have a chair waiting for you with a "director's sign" on the back "Anastasia Beaverhausen?"

Wow. The level of unprofessionalism is incredible. Laurie, do you not realize how much harm you are doing to your own organization here? When you are a public organization, you will always have critics. You need to be able to respond in a stable, rational manner and put the good of your group ahead of your own need to name call and retaliate. You are doing the animals no favors here.

filmlover44

You might want to try being courteous to the people who might want to adopt your animals and respectful to people in the neighborhood while you are at it. It's surprising what people can actually forgive when they are treated with respect.

Just a thought. Take it or leave it.

lbleier

filmlover44 wrote: You might want to try being courteous to the people who might want to adopt your animals and respectful to people in the neighborhood while you are at it. It's surprising what people can actually forgive when they are treated with respect.

Just a thought. Take it or leave it.

Im not sure I would want to adopt my "companion animals" to most of the people on this board. Good Day. Courtney Ill see you Saturday. Bring Erica et al.

anthonycm

Well, whether the BAFN ultimately does good work or not, I believe this has been nothing but a public relations disaster for the group. Sorry, Ms. Bleier, but as director you have done the BAFN a great disservice over the past few days of posting.

I don't pretend to know anything about shelters, adoptions, or even owning a pet, but I do know that when the director of a group acts in such a manner that turns a number of people off, something is going horribly wrong.

bendy broad

anthonycm wrote: Well, whether the BAFN ultimately does good work or not, I believe this has been nothing but a public relations disaster for the group. Sorry, Ms. Bleier, but as director you have done the BAFN a great disservice over the past few days of posting.

I don't pretend to know anything about shelters, adoptions, or even owning a pet, but I do know that when the director of a group acts in such a manner that turns a number of people off, something is going horribly wrong.

+1 =D>

whatchuwant

Well, I just have to say that I could care less if she's not the picture perfect animal rescue director you all want her to be. I think she works hard at saving animals (WAY more than ANY of us here do) and that it can't possibly be easy. No one's perfect. I commend her on her work and I WILL be donating to BAFN. She needs all the help she can get now, especially after all of you slammed her. Cause I'm thinking ONLY of the animals and the last thing I want to happen is for them to suffer because of this stupid thread.

anastasia beaverhausen

Whatchuwant wrote: Well, I just have to say that I could care less if she's not the picture perfect animal rescue director you all want her to be. I think she works hard at saving animals (WAY more than ANY of us here do) and that it can't possibly be easy. No one's perfect. I commend her on her work and I WILL be donating to BAFN. She needs all the help she can get now, especially after all of you slammed her. Cause I'm thinking ONLY of the animals and the last thing I want to happen is for them to suffer because of this stupid thread.

Let her call you an idiot for not agreeing with her and see if you feel the same way.

whatchuwant

Whatever, Anastasia- do you really care???

Is it SO important for you to be right and possibly have animals suffer as a result?

anastasia beaverhausen

Not the point at all. The fact remains that while most of us were having a discussion, she was having a coniption and started the name calling. Any credibility she had as a rescuer, in my opinion - and apparently others, is shot. I didn't do that. She did. I've donated to BAFN several times in the past. I've also been to the shit-hole Newark, NJ kill-shelter to pull out dogs that were used as bait, for fighting, left for dead, abandoned, neglected, mistreated, starved or otherwise unwanted. My opinions of her and BAFN have been based on the facts presented here, things that she's actually typed herself. Her's have been based on knee-jerk reactions because she doesn't like to be wrong. She wants to sit in judgement over those of us she calls "armchair rescuers" without owning a single ounce of blame. I'm done with this thread, I'm done with BAFN and no one has to agree with it or me. I don't want to see animals suffer but I hardly think a thread on Brooklynian is going to shut them down for good.