DOT to Propose 2 way protected bike path on PPW

carnivore

booklaw wrote: Carni, there are now three lanes, one of which is often clogged by double-parked cars. That results in only two fully-available lanes. Put in a bike lane, and you're down to one fully-available lane (plus the double-parked lane)

Again, there are 5 lanes, not 3.
2 are for legally parked cars. 3 for traffic, of which 1 is often tied up by illegal double-parked cars. Reserving a lane for illegal double-parked cars is a bullshit argument against a bike lane. If the double-parking rules can't be enforced to the extent that we don't even count a lane because of double-parked cars, then a legal parking lane can be made into a bike lane. Then there will be 2 lanes for parking (one for legal parking and one for illegal double parking), 2 lanes for car traffic and one for bike traffic.

I think the double parking will decrease considerably even if one of the traffic lanes is made into a bike lane instead of a parking lane being made into one.

booklaw

The only thing that will substantially decrease double parking, IMHO, is stricter enforcement; that is unlikely to happen in this city.

Ever try to get a parking space on PPW during the Saturday greenmarket? It's impossible without first double parking for 5-15 minutes. There are often several double parked cars waiting for spaces.

The same thing is true up near the movie theater at 14th Street, except the waits are longer.

whynot_31

meters ....must install parking meters. Either the traditional kind or the muni kind

vidro3

whynot_31 wrote: meters ....must install parking meters. Either the traditional kind or the muni kind

exactly. once it costs $4 an hour to park there and people know ticket agents are hawking around the spaces will turn over more quickly.

to be clear, the meters would only be in effect on weekends, since that is when there is the biggest demand for parking.

carnivore

rightmost lane: $4/30 min metered parking, max 2 hours (all times)
right lane: traffic/double parking
middle lane: traffic
left lane: traffic
leftmost lane: bike lane!

WIN!

ringrunner

MeredithB wrote: [quote=ringrunner]But, it is not just about more bikes. It is about traffic calming.

Wrong. IMO, traffic calming - the slowing of traffic - does not reduce emissions. After all, the cars will still get to where they are going but just slower.

But know I see where you are coming from, you want to force people who are driving, through wahetver means, to ride a bicycle. Guess what? That doesn't work.

In NYC, if you want people to ride tehre bicycles, especially from Brooklyn or Queens to Manhattan, then pave the East River (or at least put flat or flatter bridges over it such as in Chicago, London, Paris, etc.

You are wrong...

About me. I don't want any body do stop driving if they don't want to. I just want those who choose to to have an opprutunity.

About what traffic calming is. It is not slowing traffic, it is calming traffic. The traffic lights on PPPW prevent people from speeding from one end to the other. But the current with of PPW encourages people to drive recklessly from light to light.

At the risk of making assumptions about you (like you have of me), I would say that you wont be happy till every sidewalk, bike lane and park is turned into a road so you can get from point A to point B as without the interference of pedestrians, bikes or trees.