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the psycho-ologist

danielle123 wrote: [quote=The Psycho-ologist]
Disorderly conduct WITHIN ONE's OWN HOME, is suspect, and does add credence to Dr. Gates' cries of racism.

FYI - They arrested him OUTSIDE his house (not inside) on the porch. That matters from a legal perspective. If I'm not mistaken, you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct inside your home.

Per my previous post, I think they would have arrested him no matter what color he was, because he was (allegedlly) mouthy. Does anyone really think that Crowley would have arrested Gates if Gates just said, "Here's my ID. Thank you officer, for checking to make sure my house wasn't being robbed." Come on....

They arrested him ON HIS PROPERTY or so I saw and heard.
I don't think being "mouthy" warrants an arrest. Have you ever been to a protest rally, particularly ones that are mostly attended by whites, like PETA. Those cops put up with a lot of mouth, but dont seem to eager to arrest folks...

the psycho-ologist

sweet tea wrote: [quote=The Psycho-ologist]

As for Gates, I wonder what went on in his house. He seems sort of pretentious to me. As someone who works in academia, I have SEEN my fair share of black professors who bitch racism at any little thing, but are the first people to treat everyone else with high handed disrespect.

yes, as i said elsewhere, i bet gates is a pretty irritating guy to get on the wrong side of. i'd even be unsurprised to hear that he can be a real asshole, but last i heard, that's not actually illegal*.

that's what's so galling about the editorial quoted above: probably gates could have appeased the cop by behaving differently, but the suggestion that failure to act that way somehow justifies arrest is another thing altogether.


*when "being an asshole" does become an arrestable offense, somebody send me a police academy application. i bet the beave will sign up with me.
you know you are right.. I stand corrected. Hollywood actors and drunk fratboys are routinely rude and obnoxious, but most cops won't arrest them, cause being an asshole is not illegal

carmen

The Psycho-ologist wrote: [quote=sweet tea][quote=The Psycho-ologist]

As for Gates, I wonder what went on in his house. He seems sort of pretentious to me. As someone who works in academia, I have SEEN my fair share of black professors who bitch racism at any little thing, but are the first people to treat everyone else with high handed disrespect.

yes, as i said elsewhere, i bet gates is a pretty irritating guy to get on the wrong side of. i'd even be unsurprised to hear that he can be a real asshole, but last i heard, that's not actually illegal*.

that's what's so galling about the editorial quoted above: probably gates could have appeased the cop by behaving differently, but the suggestion that failure to act that way somehow justifies arrest is another thing altogether.


*when "being an asshole" does become an arrestable offense, somebody send me a police academy application. i bet the beave will sign up with me.
you know you are right.. I stand corrected. Hollywood actors and drunk fratboys are routinely rude and obnoxious, but most cops won't arrest them, cause being an asshole is not illegal


I dont know much about hollywood actors, but I know MANY a drunk fratboy who has been arrested. And I know many a whiteperson who has been arrested for mouthing off, being "defiant" and generally being difficult to deal with. Maybe its just me.

Mouth off to police= get arrested. I, as a rational citizen of this country, realize that if I get approached by the police that it is prudent to be courteous, which does not necessarily mean rolling-over and volunteering the sacrifice of my constitutional rights. One doesn't need to be a dick to not be a doormat.

carnivore

Carmen wrote: Mouth off to police= get arrested. I, as a rational citizen of this country, realize that if I get approached by the police that it is prudent to be courteous, which does not necessarily mean rolling-over and volunteering the sacrifice of my constitutional rights. One doesn't need to be a dick to not be a doormat.

Undoubtedly true, but only because police routinely abuse their authority.

danielle123

The Psycho-ologist wrote: [quote=danielle123][quote=The Psycho-ologist]
Disorderly conduct WITHIN ONE's OWN HOME, is suspect, and does add credence to Dr. Gates' cries of racism.

FYI - They arrested him OUTSIDE his house (not inside) on the porch. That matters from a legal perspective. If I'm not mistaken, you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct inside your home.

Per my previous post, I think they would have arrested him no matter what color he was, because he was (allegedlly) mouthy. Does anyone really think that Crowley would have arrested Gates if Gates just said, "Here's my ID. Thank you officer, for checking to make sure my house wasn't being robbed." Come on....

They arrested him ON HIS PROPERTY or so I saw and heard.
I don't think being "mouthy" warrants an arrest. Have you ever been to a protest rally, particularly ones that are mostly attended by whites, like PETA. Those cops put up with a lot of mouth, but dont seem to eager to arrest folks...

Yes, as I wrote, they arrested him on his porch (not "WITHIN ONE'S OWN HOME" as you originally wrote - "within" meaning inside the house). Also, as I wrote, legally, there is a difference. It will all depend on how the law is written but if he's within sight of others who he might incite (i.e., on his porch), the cops will have a better argument for why they arrested him (because, they would argue, he was inciting a crowd).

No, it's not a crime, per se, to be mouthy, but the cops have different legal arguments (inciting a crowd, disturbing the peace) when someone gets mouthy. And, sorry, but the anti-Republican convention was full of hundreds of white folks getting arrested just for being there so black folks (and/or Gates) haven't cornered the market on being arrested for no reason.

carmen

Maybe.. but I treat cops with the same courtesy that I would any normal serviceperson. Why should I treat them with any less? Rationally, not because they have the right to ARREST me... i'm nice to servers, bodega owners and homeless people. I'll be nice to cops, especially because they have handcuffs.

carnivore

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hitokiri

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roflcopterz!!

+10

stah00

haven't been in town for awhile, tell me about the police on the corner of franklin and st john. so glad if what i hear is true.

stah00

haven't been in town for awhile, tell me about the police on the corner of franklin and st john. so glad if what i hear is true.